Tommy... like you, I'm not a piano player and I'm probably even worse than you. In fact, I can only do anything in the C formation and even then it is a hunt and peck style of playing. Therefore, doing everything in MIDI allows me to slow the song down a lot so that I can enter my lead, piano, fiddle, etc. notes when I bring the song into Sonar. I'm actually only using BIAB for it's styles and usually just for just the bass and drum tracks. Once all the insurments are done in Sonar I then put in my audio tracks... rhythm guitar, vocals, harmony.

I'm using Sonar 8 Producer for the same reason... I can't play piano. And so Sonar allows me to enter the song's key as a number... 0 being C, 2 being D, etc. So... whatever key I pick, I'm able to play in that key in the C formation. Even when the song is shut down and opened again I'm still able to do this. Like I said... I CAN NOT play piano and so this setup works for me. And seeing as I have been using Cakewalk since version 3 was the ultimate music software to have (am I really that old?), I am very comfortable working with it.

John... after a quick look in PG sales I still haven't found the BIAB software as a stand alone... it seems that everything I've seen includes RealTracks with it. Because of the fact that I'm a MIDI kind of guy - I very rarely use RT, mebbe if it came with some new MIDI styles I would investigate. Mebbe I'm looking in the wrong place?

Bobby

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