|
Log in to post
|
Print Thread |
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
|
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 66
Enthusiast
|
OP
Enthusiast
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 66 |
Biab programmers are of the NOW generation of rap, hip hop and jazz. Well I'm not. I love my oldies ballads done by such groups such as the Platters, the Crests, and a whole host of doo wop singers. But BIAB offers NO 50s and 60s ballad rhythms. Also there is only ONE Big Bands rhythm offered. I know Big band music has been replaced today by rap and hee haw CW music.But lets not just feed one group of your buyers just so you can seel more styles. There is a seniors group out there to BIAB programmers
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
|
Joined: Mar 2004
Posts: 6,725
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: Mar 2004
Posts: 6,725 |
rd151,
What songs in particular are you referencing as I have found quite a few styles to support the tunes of the 50's and some 60's? Maybe some of us here can help steer you in the right direction.
Later,
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
|
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 66
Enthusiast
|
|
OP
Enthusiast
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 66 |
The doo wop songs had a piano triplet rhythm BIAB software does NOT offer.If you have the ChordPulse music program, listen to the "slow rock" style at 75 beats per minute.They have it down perfectly. This style was used in such songs as My Prayer, Twilight Time, Sixteen Candles,Red Sails in the Sunset and You belong to me.It is a tragedy that the BIAB programmers have neglected the true rhythm of these classic ballads and many more of the golden era. Thank you for caring
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
|
Joined: Mar 2004
Posts: 6,725
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: Mar 2004
Posts: 6,725 |
I do a lot of 50's and 60's tunes on my gigs using current BIAB styles, now I am not saying they are exact copies of the originals as BIAB is not that, in fact I personally would not want an exact copy of a track from an original for a couple of reasons. 1st of all to me that would make my gig sound too karaoke and secondly there is no way my vocals and guitar playing is on the same level as say the Platters and any great guitarist. So I would rather my audience say hey he did a good job on that tune, then say he sure screwed up that Platters tune. With that in mind, what is accomplished with the BIAB styles is that the audience instantly relates to the song and my performance is just different enough not to have it compared with, say the Platters rendition of Only You.
My playlist of Oldies is much too long to list here (in fact 5 of the 6 you mentioned above are in my Oldies playlist) but if you are interested in what styles and instrument combinations I use for each song I would be happy to supply you with that info, it will just take a little time for me to put the list together in forum format.
If you are looking for an exact match to the aforementioned styles you might want to use midi. I know that Norton (a big contributor here on the forum) makes some styles that are very close to the originals. And of course there are enough experts here on the forum that can help you with editing these midis even closer to the original sound you are looking for if you ask for the help.
PS: Regarding the triplet piano, try old pop style with a (b green marker)
Best of Luck,
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
|
Joined: May 2003
Posts: 8,021
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: May 2003
Posts: 8,021 |
Quote:
I do a lot of 50's and 60's tunes on my gigs using current BIAB styles, now I am not saying they are exact copies of the originals as BIAB is not that, in fact I personally would not want an exact copy of a track from an original for a couple of reasons. 1st of all to me that would make my gig sound too karaoke and secondly there is no way my vocals and guitar playing is on the same level as say the Platters and any great guitarist. So I would rather my audience say hey he did a good job on that tune, then say he sure screwed up that Platters tune. With that in mind, what is accomplished with the BIAB styles is that the audience instantly relates to the song and my performance is just different enough not to have it compared with, say the Platters rendition of Only You.
My playlist of Oldies is much too long to list here (in fact 5 of the 6 you mentioned above are in my Oldies playlist) but if you are interested in what styles and instrument combinations I use for each song I would be happy to supply you with that info, it will just take a little time for me to put the list together in forum format.
If you are looking for an exact match to the aforementioned styles you might want to use midi. I know that Norton (a big contributor here on the forum) makes some styles that are very close to the originals. And of course there are enough experts here on the forum that can help you with editing these midis even closer to the original sound you are looking for if you ask for the help.
PS: Regarding the triplet piano, try old pop style with a (b green marker)
Best of Luck,
Me to!
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
|
Joined: May 2000
Posts: 15,976
PG Music Staff
|
|
PG Music Staff
Joined: May 2000
Posts: 15,976 |
Hi rd, I'm glad you like 50's and 60's rhythms. So do I. We have lots of them in BIAB. Remember, we have over 2,000 styles, made over the last 25 years, before 'rap' was even around! Here's 4 styles that have that piano triplet feel you are looking for... SAM_COOK http://64.40.109.32/audio/allstyledemos/SAM_COOK.wma- 'a' and 'b' substyle have triplet piano feel OLDPOP_1 http://64.40.109.32/audio/allstyledemos/OLDPOP_1.wma- the 'b' substyle is the triplet piano you are looking for These one have a more subtle triplet feel... BLUHILL http://64.40.109.32/audio/allstyledemos/BLUHILL.wmaFATS_DOM http://64.40.109.32/audio/allstyledemos/FATS_DOM.wma================= Also, you may find that you need to mix n match from those styles, for example, you might like the drums in one style, and the bass and piano from different styles. You can do that easily in version 2012, because we've added the ability to add any part from any style to amy track. This is shown in the 2012 video, which can be seen from the main page www.pgmusic.com, click on the 2012 video link). ================= ====================== http://64.40.109.32/audio/allstyledemos/CAREY128.wma- more subtle than pounding triplet chords, has arpeggios instead in 'b' substyle ===================== And don't forget, you can add a RealTracks, to spice it up. Here's a MIDI style, that we added some RealTracks to (bass, drums and an Alto Sax Soloist), and it makes the whole thing sound more 'Real' http://64.40.109.32/audio/allstyledemos/=CAR_BAS.wmaHere's another one, with MIDI piano, and RealTracks instruments (bass, drums, strumming guitar) http://64.40.109.32/audio/allstyledemos/=BGPOP_B.wma================== BTW, I was easily able to find these styles, by using a new feature of version 2012. Using the StylePicker, Just type the name of a song that you're looking for, like "You Send Me", and you'll see a list of styles that have that listed in the "example" field of the style memo. ==================== THis one is likely too country for what you're looking for, but I had to include it because it sounds so good. It is all RealTracks, and includes 2 finger picking guitars (one of them is Brent Mason Fancy GuitarPicking, from version 2012) http://64.40.109.32/audio/allstyledemos/_FPBTSSW.wmaYou could add one of the triplet pianos to that, and get a cool doo wop sound. That's likely more modern and country than you're looking for, just wanted to show the possibilities.... =============== As an aside, regarding "Twilight Time", the hit by The Three Suns. I've had the pleasure, at several NAMM shows, of meeting with Joe Vento (one of the Three Suns http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Three_Suns ) , including playing songs with him.
Have Fun!
Peter Gannon
PG Music Inc.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
|
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 66
Enthusiast
|
|
OP
Enthusiast
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 66 |
Peter,
thannks Pete for you imput.I will check them out. I am glad a programmer responded to me. I didn't just mean PG Music is just zooming in on rap, jazz and and Pop CW styles, but it sure does seem that way. BIAB still hasn't answered me on why when I use realdrums I can't hear the count in? I could before buying the 2012 upgrade.Pete, there's a bug somewhere. But back to the music.I am a homespun guitar player and just play the melody line. So I need the slow rock styles to at least be similar to the actual style of the doo wops golden songs. It would be great if BIAB brought out a styles pak just for Doo Wop songs.Now that would be something.Thanks again Pete and have a good year
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
|
Joined: Aug 2006
Posts: 8,821
Veteran
|
Veteran
Joined: Aug 2006
Posts: 8,821 |
I am confused as to what you still need?! All the styles that Mr. Gannon gave you are similar to those songs. They can't be exact, as that would violate copyright issues. I do a few of these old songs as well, and i have found what i need for every one of them. If I can't get it thru a Style i download a midi file from the net and rework it.
Actually i have yet to see a Rap style. There are plenty of country, and pop, and a ton of Jazz, but Rap?
By the way Peter is not just a programmer, he owns the company. PG stands for Peter Gannon. Pretty cool service i'd say. rd, post a specific song, and let's see what folks come up with.
HP Win 11 12 gig ram, Mac mini Sonoma with 16 gig of ram, BiaB/RB 2026, Reaper 7, Harrison Mixbus 11 , Presonus Audiobox USB96
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
|
Joined: Oct 2008
Posts: 1,259
Expert
|
|
Expert
Joined: Oct 2008
Posts: 1,259 |
I've had trouble finding styles to use in the old r&r area, too, but that's because I'm still learning how to properly filter a useable search. I used to think that those styles were not there, but they are. There are some tutorials on how to use stylepicker that I probably need to watch a few more times. Thanks for the great info, Peter and others.
Stan
Cornet Curmudgeon
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
|
Joined: Jul 2000
Posts: 6,508
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: Jul 2000
Posts: 6,508 |
I also have a number of 'oldie' styles and you can hear them at: http://www.nortonmusic.com/styledemo.htmlMine are different from PG's styles, I try not to duplicate anything that PG has done before I write one, so they do not replace PG styles but complement them. Notes
Bob "Notes" Norton  Norton Music
https://www.nortonmusic.com
100% MIDI Super-Styles recorded by live, pro, studio musicians for a live groove
& Fake Disks for MIDI and/or RealTracks
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
|
Joined: Jun 2000
Posts: 2,217
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: Jun 2000
Posts: 2,217 |
.
Bear in mind that many styles sound better when some of the instruments get taken out.
The "Sam Cook" style has 6 instruments. All of them make sense considering the context of the style, but it sound too busy for my taste. I think it works better with MELODY and PIANO muted.
Adding a RealTrack might make sense. In this case, try Hammond Organ #688. Now we are getting further away from reproducing the notes on the familiar recording of "You Send Me," but closer to my way of doing doo-wop.
Doo-be-doo-be-doo.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
|
Joined: Jun 2000
Posts: 2,217
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: Jun 2000
Posts: 2,217 |
Its great to be able to filter by "Sam Cook." But the filter failed me several times before it worked.
I got no results when I filtered by "Platters," "Earth Angel," and "50s." When I filtered by "fifties," I got NR_NORJ.sty. Not a bad style, but a long way from doo-wop.
I know y'all are working hard on making the stylepicker more user-friendly. Thanks for that, and keep up the good work.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Ask sales and support questions about Band-in-a-Box using natural language.
ChatPG's knowledge base includes the full Band-in-a-Box User Manual and sales information from the website.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Last Chance! The Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Mac® Special Ends Today (May 31, 2026) at 11:59pm PDT!
Time really is running out! Save up to 50% on Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Mac® upgrades and receive a FREE Bonus PAK—only when you order by 11:59 PM PDT today!
We've added many major new features and new content in a redesigned Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Mac®!
Version 2026 introduces a modernized GUI redesign across the program, with updated toolbars, refreshed windows, smoother workflows, and a new Dark Mode option. There’s also a new side toolbar for quicker access to commonly used windows, and the new Multi-View feature lets you arrange multiple windows as layered panels without overlap, making it easier to customize your workspace.
Another exciting new addition is the amazing new AI-Notes feature, which can transcribe polyphonic audio into MIDI. View the results in notation or play them back as MIDI, and choose whether to transcribe an entire track or transcribe specific parts like drums, bass, guitars/piano, or vocals. There's over 100 new features in Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Mac®.
There's an amazing collection of new content too, including 202 RealTracks, new RealStyles, MIDI SuperTracks, Instrumental Studies, “Songs with Vocals” Artist Performance Sets, Playable RealTracks Set 5, two RealDrums Stems sets, and much more!
Upgrade your Band-in-a-Box for Mac® to save up to 50% on most Band-in-a-Box® 2026 upgrade packages!
Plus, when you order your Band-in-a-Box® 2026 Mac upgrade during our special, you'll receive a Free Bonus PAK of exciting new add-ons.
If you need any help deciding which package is the best option for you, just let us know. We are here to help!
Band-in-a-Box® 2026 Mac Special Offers Extended Until May 31st!
Good news- we've extended our Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Mac® special offers until May 31, 2026!
Band-in-a-Box® 2026 is packed with major new features, enhancements, and an incredible lineup of new content! The program now sports a sleek, modern GUI redesign across the entire interface, including updated toolbars, refreshed windows, smoother workflows, a new dark mode option, and more. The brand-new side toolbar provides quicker access to key windows, while the new Multi-View feature lets you arrange multiple windows as layered panels without overlap, creating a flexible, clutter-free workspace. We have an amazing new “AI-Notes” feature. This transcribes polyphonic audio into MIDI so you can view it in notation or play it back as MIDI. You can transcribe an entire track (all pitched instruments and drums) or focus on individual parts like drums, bass, guitars/piano, or vocals. There's an amazing collection of new content too, including 202 RealTracks, new RealStyles, MIDI SuperTracks, Instrumental Studies, “Songs with Vocals” Artist Performance Sets, Playable RealTracks Set 5, two RealDrums Stems sets, and much more!
There are over 100 new features in Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Mac®.
When you order purchase Band-in-a-Box® 2026 before 11:59 PM PDT on May 31st, you'll also receive a Free Bonus PAK packed with exciting new add-ons.
Check out the Band-in-a-Box® for Mac packages page to find the best package for you.
Holiday Weekend Hours
It's Victoria Day Long Weekend in Canada. Our Customer Service hours are:
Saturday, May 16: Closed
Sunday, May 17: Closed
Monday, May 18: 8:00am - 4:00pm
Regular hours resume Tuesday, May 19th!
Today's the Last Day of the Band-in-a-Box 2026® for Mac Special!
Order before 11:59pm PDT today (May 15, 2026) to save up to 50% off your Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Mac® upgrade and receive a FREE Bonus PAK loaded with great new Add-ons to use with this new version!
Don't wait - order today!
Check out all the new features in the redesigned Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Mac®!
Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Mac - Special Offers End at 11:59pm PDT on Friday, May 15th, 2026!
Order before 11:59pm PDT on Friday, May 15th and SAVE up to 50% on most Band-in-a-Box® version 2026 for Mac Upgrade packages... and that's not all! With your version 2026 for Mac purchase, we'll include a Bonus PAK full of great new Add-ons FREE! Upgrade to the 2026 49-PAK to receive even more NEW Add-ons including 20 additional RealTracks... that's 222 NEW RealTracks available with version Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Mac!
Upgrade to Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Mac® today for as little as $49! Check out the Band-in-a-Box® packages page for all available purchase options.
Learn more about the Free Bonus PAK and 49-PAK here.
If you have any questions about which package is the best option for you, just let us know. We're here to help!
202 New RealTracks Released with Band-in-a-Box 2026!
With Band-in-a-Box® 2026, we've released 202 incredible new RealTracks (in sets 468-488) in a variety of genres—featuring your most requested styles!
Jazz, Funk & World (Sets 468-475):
Our new jazz, funk & blues RealTracks include a groovin’ collection of RealTracks and RealDrums! These include more requested “soul jazz” RealTracks featuring artists Neil Swainson (bass), Charles Treadway (organ), Brent Mason (guitar), and Wes Little (drums). There are new “smooth jazz” styles (4), which include a RealTracks first: muted trumpet, as well as slick new smooth jazz brushes options for drums. Blues lovers will be thrilled—there are more “classic acoustic blues” styles, including guitar (5), bass (4), and drums (10) with blues master Colin Linden, featuring understated and tasty background acoustic soloing, plus brushes drums and acoustic bass. There are also new electric blues RealTracks, including electric blues with PG favorite Johnny Hiland (3) and soulful electric slide guitar from Colin Linden (4). If you love funk & gospel, there are great new options this year, including gospel organ (3) from Charles Treadway, as well as new funk, tango, and rock ’n’ roll drums (3) and bass (1). And for big, bold arrangements, we have uptempo soul horns (4) featuring a three-part hip horn section with options for a full mix or stems of each individual horn — plus an accompanying rhythm section (4) of drums, bass, guitar, and electric piano!
Rock & Pop (Sets 476–482):
Our new rock & pop RealTracks bring a powerful mix of requested favorites, fresh genres, and modern chart-inspired styles! We have more of our popular “Producer Layered Acoustic Guitars (15)” featuring Band-in-a-Box favorite Brent Mason. We’ve continued our much-requested disco styles (10), and added new Celtic guitar (5) with a more basic, accessible approach than our previous Drop-D or DADGAD offerings. There are also highly requested yacht rock styles (17), inspired by the smooth, polished soft-rock sound of the late ’70s and early ’80s — laid-back grooves, silky electric pianos, warm textures, elegant harmonic movement, and pristine production aesthetics. Fans of heavier styles will love our new glam metal (13), capturing the flashy, high-energy sound of ’80s arena-ready guitar rock. We also have a set of rootsy modern-folk rock (18), with a warm, organic sound combining contemporary folk textures and driving acoustic strumming. And we’ve added lots of new modern pop styles (16) — the kinds of sounds you’re hearing on the radio today, featuring exciting new drums, synths, and cutting-edge RealTracks arrangements.
Country, & Americana (Sets 483–488):
Our new country & Americana RealTracks deliver a rich collection of acoustic, electric, and roots-inspired styles! We have new country pop (9) with legendary guitarist Brent Mason. There is also a potpourri (14) of bouzouki, guitars, banjo, and more, perfect for adding texture and character to contemporary acoustic arrangements. We’ve added funky country guitar (5) with PG favorite Brent Mason, along with classic pedal steel styles (5) featuring steel great Doug Jernigan. There are more country songwriter styles (8) that provide intimate, rootsy foundations for storytelling and modern Americana writing. Finally, we have “background soloing” acoustic guitar (12) with Brent Mason — simpler, but still very tasty acoustic lines designed to sit beautifully behind vocals or act as a subtle standalone solo part.
Check out all the 202 new RealTracks (in sets 468-488)!
And, if you are looking for more, the 2026 49-PAK (for $49) includes an impressive collection of 20 bonus RealTracks, featuring exciting and inspiring additions to add to your RealTracks library. You'll get new country-rhythm guitar styles from PG Music favorites Johnny Hiland and Brent Mason, along with modern-pop grooves that capture today’s radio-ready sound! There are also new indie-folk styles with guitar, bass, 6-string bass used as a high-chording instrument, acoustic guitar, and banjo. Plus, dedicated "cymbal fills" RealDrums provide an added layer that work very well with low-key folky styles with other percussion.
The 2026 49-PAK is loaded with other great new add-ons as well. Learn more about the 2026 49-PAK!
2026 Free Bonus PAK & 49-PAK for Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Mac®!
With your version 2026 for Mac Pro, MegaPAK, UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, Audiophile Edition or PlusPAK purchase, we'll include a Bonus PAK full of great new Add-ons for FREE! Or upgrade to the 2026 49-PAK for only $49 to receive even more NEW Add-ons including 20 additional RealTracks!
These PAKs are loaded with additional add-ons to supercharge your Band-in-a-Box®!
This Free Bonus PAK includes:
- The 2026 RealCombos Booster PAK:
-For Pro customers, this includes 27 new RealTracks and 23 new RealStyles.
-For MegaPAK customers, this includes 25 new RealTracks and 23 new RealStyles.
-For UltraPAK customers, this includes 12 new RealStyles.
- MIDI Styles Set 92: Look Ma! More MIDI 15: Latin Jazz
- MIDI SuperTracks Set 46: Piano & Organ
- Instrumental Studies Set 24: Groovin' Blues Soloing
- Artist Performance Set 19: Songs with Vocals 9
- Playable RealTracks Set 5
- RealDrums Stems Set 9: Cool Brushes
- SynthMaster Sounds Set 1 (with audio demos)
- iOS Android Band-in-a-Box® App
Looking for more great add-ons, then upgrade to the 2026 49-PAK for just $49 and you'll get:
- 20 Bonus Unreleased RealTracks and RealDrums with 20 RealStyle.
- FLAC Files (lossless audio files) for the 20 Bonus Unreleased RealTracks and RealDrums
- MIDI Styles Set 93: Look Ma! More MIDI 16: SynthMaster
- MIDI SuperTracks Set 47: More SynthMaster
- Instrumental Studies 25 - Soul Jazz Guitar Soloing
- Artist Performance Set 20: Songs with Vocals 10
- RealDrums Stems Set 10: Groovin' Sticks
- SynthMaster Sounds & Styles Set 2 (sounds & styles with audio demos)
Learn more about the Bonus PAK and 49-PAK for Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Mac®!
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Forums57
Topics86,411
Posts804,538
Members40,119
| |
Most Online64,515
Apr 8th, 2026
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Dansk
Deutsch - Windows
Español
Français - Windows
Italiano - Windows
Nederlands
Polski
Português
Svenskt
русский
Japanese
Simplified Chinese
Traditional Chinese
Korean