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Cancelled the HD6000's ... just went and tried both and the Sony MDR-7520's just blew me away. Got those instead. The M50's arrive tomorrow.
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Think about Seekers post, before comparing.
Again; you don't want headphones that make things sound 'better'.
You want headphones that help make the mix you create sound good on most other systems (translate well).
I have 'phones that sound "better" than M40's (including M50's on some songs).. but I don't trust them to give me an 'honest' mix that sounds good on other systems. Not for anywhere near this price range anyway ..
I do not work here, but the benefits are still awesome
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I hear what your saying. I've been recording a long time and you can mix with almost any phones that you spend time 'learning'. I like having several options, especially since I mix almost exlusively with phones.
At some point, I'll pick up a pair of the M40's just to compare with the M50's. At $60 it's a no-brainer.
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I think I will return the HD280's -- and then if I see another sale, I think I'll re-pick up the 40's (ha, ha). It would be nice to have two decent sets of headphones around.
Now I feel bad for taking your M40's
It's my fault
Ha, ha, don't feel bad, the M50's are great. Of course, the price has gone up on the 40's!! The jury is still out on the 280's, I think they would be just fine for tracking (minimal bleed through).
I just read a few reviews on Mitch's 7520 -- they sound like great "mixing" headphones.
Kevin
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If you are going to be at NAMM, you really should stop by the Westone booth to hear our in-ear-monitors. For the most part, the whole conversation about over-the-ear cans disappears once you hear the 'truths' that these reveal. 25+ dB of background noise reduction (I get over 30 dB average across bands). It's hard to describe in words actually until you experience them. The ES5 model (5 drivers in a 3-way crossover network per ear) let me hear the kiss of a brush on a ride cymbal on Lyle Lovett's "She's Already Made Up Her Mind" that I had not heard on ANYTHING before. At first I thought it sounded wrong, but then I realized, "no, that's what a gentle brush across a ride sounds like when you are standing right next to it. I've just never been anywhere quiet enough to hear it this way" Props to George Massenburg (sp?) for the recording. The cool thing about IEMs, issues with mixing with cans known and notwithstanding, is that you can take them with you - including the quietness that they afford. Mixing/auditing recordings in a hotel room, bedroom, apartment, etc. becomes a reality. Sorry if I'm gushing here. The thread title is 'Hi-End Headphones'. I make no qualms about the fact that I work for Westone. Over the ear cans which are as revealing IMO, but don't provide the added benefit of noise isolation are Sennheiser HD-800 (most comfortable and open phones I've ever heard). Close second, STAX Lambda series http://www.stax.co.jp/index-E.html Also very open and easy on the skull. -Scott
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Ok, had the M50's for a couple days and probably should not comment on them until they burn in for at least 100 hours or so... but.. 1st impression. I like them for listening. They are somewhat 'flattering' to me, especially in the low frequencies. Top end has a bit more sizzle than I'm used to as well.. Kinda like I pressed the 'loudness' button on my stereo. Not sure they will be good for mixing but I will try them and see.
What really blew me away with the Sony 7520's was the quality and detail I could hear, but they didn't sound 'hyped' in any way... they show up on Friday, so more on them in a week or so.
Going to get the M40's just for comparison's sake also.
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I think you've got GAS... NOI 
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That and extra disposable income... a BAD combination ! LOL
On the other hand, I AM serious about my fun !
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That is almost as good as having fun with the serious!
Follow That Dream Sam Karaoke King -------------------- Turning that corner again - I have to keep following that dream, no matter what
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Followers of thie thread may well be interested in taking a look at this specialised web site In all probability, they will already know about it. Happy listening, Marc
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Marc
Well, not really - they don't deal at all with in-ear monitors - which offer many benefits to the home recordist above and beyond over-the-ear headphones. A huge benefit is that proper in-ear-monitors offer much better isolation than any over-the-ear/circumaural headphones, so you can do a better job placing microphones for acoustic instrument recording. Their definition of in-ear monitors is quite weak at best.
That isolation also comes in very handy when mixing as well as when listening in noisy environments like airplanes and trains.
They are much better at multi-purpose use than open backed circumaural phones.
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Well, not really - they don't deal at all with in-ear monitors - which offer many benefits to the home recordist above and beyond over-the-ear headphones. A huge benefit is that proper in-ear-monitors offer much better isolation than any over-the-ear/circumaural headphones, so you can do a better job placing microphones for acoustic instrument recording. Their definition of in-ear monitors is quite weak at best.
That isolation also comes in very handy when mixing as well as when listening in noisy environments like airplanes and trains.
They are much better at multi-purpose use than open backed circumaural phones.
If you're talking about the reverence in-ears I totally agree with you. However not all in-ears are suitable for mixing. My Earproof T2-Pro in-ears (full concha twin driver) are hyped in the mid-high area. This way I can hear my vocals on stage stand out above all far better than when I use my Sennheiser IE8 with custom made earmolds. The Sennheisers tend to sound more bassy; just the way most consumers would like it. Both in-ears are not suitable for mixing.
But again; if you would purchase a good set of reverence in-ears (full concha) you would have a great monitoring system. They are comfortable to wear, cancel out room sounds like computer fans etc and they sound the way they should. Only downside is the price...
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Well, not really - they don't deal at all with in-ear monitors - which offer many benefits to the home recordist above and beyond over-the-ear headphones. A huge benefit is that proper in-ear-monitors offer much better isolation than any over-the-ear/circumaural headphones, so you can do a better job placing microphones for acoustic instrument recording. Their definition of in-ear monitors is quite weak at best.
That isolation also comes in very handy when mixing as well as when listening in noisy environments like airplanes and trains.
They are much better at multi-purpose use than open backed circumaural phones.
If you're talking about the reverence in-ears I totally agree with you. However not all in-ears are suitable for mixing. My Earproof T2-Pro in-ears (full concha twin driver) are hyped in the mid-high area. This way I can hear my vocals on stage stand out above all far better than when I use my Sennheiser IE8 with custom made earmolds. The Sennheisers tend to sound more bassy; just the way most consumers would like it. Both in-ears are not suitable for mixing.
But again; if you would purchase a good set of reverence in-ears (full concha) you would have a great monitoring system. They are comfortable to wear, cancel out room sounds like computer fans etc and they sound the way they should. Only downside is the price...
Mike, your points are right-on. The referred website doesn't even mention custom manufactured in-ear monitors, even though those were the first created over 20 years ago.
My Westone ES-5 models are expensive, but considering that they function as killer quality products for at least 5 different purposes:
1. Monitoring on stage
2. Monitoring in the home studio
3. Best device for mic placement assistance for the recordist who can't afford a studio assistant.
4. Personal listening in general with any source, iPod, home stereo, etc.
5. Excellent passive noise reduction for plane/train use (where the popular thing is to buy those bulky Bose things that take up tons of space)
They pay for themselves quickly if one is purchasing different products for all of those applications.
You can't wear over the ear cans for purpose 1, purpose 3, purpose 4 and 5 - although if you don't care about looking silly wearing huge over the ear circumaural phones, or care about letting your head lean over to the side while trying to sleep on the plane, then I guess that argument for 4 and 5 falls down. Here in the US, people are buying these 'beats' headphones which have dodgy sound quality and are physically cumbersome - but they look cool, so fashion wins out.
-Scott
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I accept acclimated the Sennheiser HD800 headphones for about 1 hour. They were crazily abundant as accessible backed phones. Seriously, I accept not heard a bigger set of accessible cans back I acclimated to use STAX electrostatics on a approved basis.
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The translator intrigues me. Mitch, I agree; M-50s are excessive at the ends. I call it hyper, I think they (AT) call it 'extended'. I tried mixing on them, and the nearfields said unh-unh.  If I do mix in cans, I always check it with monitors before accepting.
I do not work here, but the benefits are still awesome
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Anyone want to buy a brand new set of ATH-M50's ?
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I do not work here, but the benefits are still awesome
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Not that I know of. It's music related stuff.
I do not work here, but the benefits are still awesome
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OK, thanks. There's no specific 'Classifieds' forum and I've never seen any ads in the Off Topic so was wondering.
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