|
Log in to post
|
Print Thread |
|
|
|
|
|
Off-Topic
|
Joined: Dec 2002
Posts: 12,896
Veteran
|
OP
Veteran
Joined: Dec 2002
Posts: 12,896 |
Quote:
Dan,
One other thing that is really just a preference in production. I'd like to hear the piano comping in the beginning were you're playing melody.
Here I will have to compromise with you John. Initally over the AA melody part I have a kind of triplet 6/8 feel going with the picking pattern, Then for the fianl B-A sections I play it single note. The piano and I were colliding over the AA portion so I asked him to sit on his hands for that part. I have now brought him back in over the B - A melody sections. I agree with you there, it sounds nice.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Off-Topic
|
Joined: Nov 2005
Posts: 1,598
Expert
|
|
Expert
Joined: Nov 2005
Posts: 1,598 |
Quote:
Just to clarify, All tracks are first mixed and rendered to a single stereo track, then I use the Mastering on that. Although not to imply that I really know what I'm doing. So I do appreciatee all comments.
Sorry, I have misunderstood you: yes, I thought you were using Ozone as an insert on the master channel.
PS: and yes, neither do I understood what I was doing with that damn plugin 
Latest BIAB version, latest build.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Off-Topic
|
Joined: May 2003
Posts: 8,021
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: May 2003
Posts: 8,021 |
Production=subjective
Engineering=objective
So as far as the piano goes it's your call. It's a matter of taste.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Off-Topic
|
Joined: Dec 2002
Posts: 12,896
Veteran
|
|
OP
Veteran
Joined: Dec 2002
Posts: 12,896 |
Quote:
Or if you want to get personal; what is wrong with this mix? http://www.pgmusic.com/forums/showflat.p...e=0&fpart=2.
What a great amount of feedback. Thank you to everyone. I should study this for a week and then try again. But the day job puts me back on a plane tomorrow to Columbus. So I have to do it all today...
Here is my best shot following all the great advice on mixing:  SWOTR - Remixed and remastered
While I am in the hotel I will listen some more and then next weekend come up with a plan for my next actions.
BIAB – 2026, Reaper (current), i7-12700F Processor, 32GB DDR4-3200MHz RAM, Motu Audio Express 6x6 - My SoundCloud.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Off-Topic
|
Joined: Jan 2002
Posts: 7,913
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: Jan 2002
Posts: 7,913 |
There's a reason to pan low frequency sources to center - Wavelengths are often long enough that they are longer than how far apart your speakers are. This is one reason most subwoofers are mono.
If you are hard panned, you are not using the capability of the playback system to it's full extent.
Everything that really isn't supposed to have significant low frequency content (pretty much everything besides bass instruments, kick/floor toms, etc. should be high-pass filtered (cutoff frequency anywhere from 80-250 Hz or so, listen for when the sound becomes thinned out beyond what you want) - filter tracks individually.
When I listen to your track here is what I hear:
I don't think there's as much of an EQ issue issue as others are commenting on. For a jazz track, the delay on the guitar is quite a bit responsible for timing muddiness. The chorus, or short delay on the vocals or perhaps the pitch correction is also distracting.
The bass is actually panned fine I would say. Kind of appropriate for a jazz combo thing. One thing that is particularly distracting is that it sounds like all of the instruments and vox are in different rooms because the reverbs don't match on them. The bass sounds close by, the drums far away, the piano in a different room, etc.
If you have raw .wav files, unprocessed, send them to me and I'll mix it for you and tell you what/how I did it.
-Scott
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Off-Topic
|
Joined: Dec 2002
Posts: 12,896
Veteran
|
|
OP
Veteran
Joined: Dec 2002
Posts: 12,896 |
Quote:
If you have raw .wav files, unprocessed, send them to me and I'll mix it for you and tell you what/how I did it.
-Scott
I do Scott. Thank you.
Can you take a zipped Folder with a Reaper Project in it?
SWOTR Audio Files in Reaper Project for Scott
Otherwise I can see what I can do about rendering each track to a seperate wav (mp3?) file.
I uploadrf a link for the download. ... but you will not have all my Effect Plugs??
Last edited by jazzmandan; 01/15/12 01:54 PM.
BIAB – 2026, Reaper (current), i7-12700F Processor, 32GB DDR4-3200MHz RAM, Motu Audio Express 6x6 - My SoundCloud.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Off-Topic
|
Joined: Jan 2002
Posts: 7,913
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: Jan 2002
Posts: 7,913 |
Quote:
Quote:
If you have raw .wav files, unprocessed, send them to me and I'll mix it for you and tell you what/how I did it.
-Scott
I do Scott. Thank you.
Can you take a zipped Folder with a Reaper Project in it?
SWOTR Audio Files in Reaper Project for Scott
Otherwise I can see what I can do about rendering each track to a seperate wav (mp3?) file.
I uploadrf a link for the download. ... but you will not have all my Effect Plugs??
Dan,
I don't use Reaper, so I can't take a Reaper project file.
I would like raw .wav files.
No problem about not getting the effects - the individual track effects are the main problem in the mix, in my opinion.
I will attempt to use freeware VST effects, if any, in the mix and provide a description of how it was accomplished (there will be no wizardry - this is a simple mix situation) that you can then duplicate in whatever DAW software you choose to use.
If I count correctly, there is only 5 or 6 stereo tracks that would need to be rendered and sent. Bass, drums, piano, guitar, vox.
I'm going to do a ground-up re-mix, not a 'master' of the song.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Off-Topic
|
Joined: Dec 2002
Posts: 12,896
Veteran
|
|
OP
Veteran
Joined: Dec 2002
Posts: 12,896 |
Quote:
I'm going to do a ground-up re-mix, not a 'master' of the song.
That sounds great. Give me a day to get back in town and I will give you a link to the tracks.
Thanks again.
BIAB – 2026, Reaper (current), i7-12700F Processor, 32GB DDR4-3200MHz RAM, Motu Audio Express 6x6 - My SoundCloud.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Off-Topic
|
|
Anonymous
Unregistered
|
|
Anonymous
Unregistered
|
Quote:
But the day job puts me back on a plane tomorrow to Columbus.
2 hours away!! Drop on over!!
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Off-Topic
|
Joined: Dec 2002
Posts: 491
Journeyman
|
|
Journeyman
Joined: Dec 2002
Posts: 491 |
Hi Pat, I found that very interesting! I recently started in Sonar 8.5, to roll off the very bottom end. Should I create a customised plug-in, and apply it to every track? I have Cakewalk & Sonitus....which is better......and then.... do you create another plug-in for the final balance EQ......or "tweak" the one you already have.***Sorry for my "near-enough-a-newbie" questions!!  Regards, Joe G.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Off-Topic
|
Joined: Apr 2003
Posts: 886
Expert
|
|
Expert
Joined: Apr 2003
Posts: 886 |
I am a Reaper user, tho still at 3.76 due to problems with V4 so far, so I am going to grab the SWOTR Audio Files in Reaper Project for Scott and give it a shot if ya don't mind.... 
i5 3.20GHz, 32gb RAM, 1tb SSD OS, 12tb HDD, 4gb gForce vid card, 32" monitor, Audient id44, Win10 x64, BiaB/RB 2023, Reaper 6,IK Multimedia Total Studio 3.5 MAX, Waves 10
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Off-Topic
|
Joined: Dec 2002
Posts: 12,896
Veteran
|
|
OP
Veteran
Joined: Dec 2002
Posts: 12,896 |
Quote:
I am a Reaper user, tho still at 3.76 due to problems with V4 so far, so I am going to grab the SWOTR Audio Files in Reaper Project for Scott and give it a shot if ya don't mind....
Hold off, Smurf, I have better "raw" files to upload. I may have inadvertantly rendered effects into some of the tracks currently up on the server. I want to do the track bounce over and be sure that I am only including the raw recordings. I will upload in a few hours (although back in Chicago - still on the day job) You are more than welcome to use the files. I am sure they will be backward compatible into Reaper 3.
I don't really know what to expect, but I will keep my expectaions low because i know you can only work here with what you are given. 
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Off-Topic
|
Joined: Dec 2002
Posts: 12,896
Veteran
|
|
OP
Veteran
Joined: Dec 2002
Posts: 12,896 |
The initial Reaper Project has been deleted and now replaced with: SWOTR Raw Tracks I uploaded a single Zipped file containing: Sax.wav Bass.wav vocals.wav Guitar.wav Drums.wav Piano.wav Each one has the drum leadin at the first two bars so you can line them up. thanks again. Let me know if you need anything else. I do appreciate you taking the time and effort on this project to try "...to make a silk purse out of a sow's ear"
BIAB – 2026, Reaper (current), i7-12700F Processor, 32GB DDR4-3200MHz RAM, Motu Audio Express 6x6 - My SoundCloud.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Off-Topic
|
Joined: Dec 2002
Posts: 12,896
Veteran
|
|
OP
Veteran
Joined: Dec 2002
Posts: 12,896 |
Quote:
I am a Reaper user, tho still at 3.76 due to problems with V4 so far, so I am going to grab the SWOTR Audio Files in Reaper Project for Scott and give it a shot if ya don't mind....
Smurf, you may find these files a little better to work. Enjoy 
BIAB – 2026, Reaper (current), i7-12700F Processor, 32GB DDR4-3200MHz RAM, Motu Audio Express 6x6 - My SoundCloud.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Off-Topic
|
Joined: Jan 2002
Posts: 7,913
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: Jan 2002
Posts: 7,913 |
Quote:
The initial Reaper Project has been deleted and now replaced with:
SWOTR Raw Tracks
I uploaded a single Zipped file containing:
Sax.wav Bass.wav vocals.wav Guitar.wav Drums.wav Piano.wav
Each one has the drum leadin at the first two bars so you can line them up. thanks again. Let me know if you need anything else. I do appreciate you taking the time and effort on this project to try "...to make a silk purse out of a sow's ear"
I'll take a crack at this later this week.
-Scott
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Off-Topic
|
Joined: Jan 2002
Posts: 7,913
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: Jan 2002
Posts: 7,913 |
Dan, I'm in the process of re-mixing right now. Just got to the vocals and listened for the first time. The 'RAW' track for the vocal is heavily processed. I can't do anything with it.
Also, on the guitar tracks there are some places where the intonation on the guitar is causing some problems - won't be able to do anything with that. Most the time it's not an issue, but there are a few places where it's clashing with the bass when the bass goes high on the fingerboard.
I would work on some arrangement items with the autogenerated piano and drums - but for now, I'll just work the mix. Some of the muddiness is timing related between the guitar and piano. Would you like me to point out the spots or not?
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Off-Topic
|
Joined: Apr 2003
Posts: 886
Expert
|
|
Expert
Joined: Apr 2003
Posts: 886 |
OK, thanks for the info & the raw .wav uploads jazzmandan, I am grabbing them now!
i5 3.20GHz, 32gb RAM, 1tb SSD OS, 12tb HDD, 4gb gForce vid card, 32" monitor, Audient id44, Win10 x64, BiaB/RB 2023, Reaper 6,IK Multimedia Total Studio 3.5 MAX, Waves 10
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Off-Topic
|
Joined: Dec 2002
Posts: 12,896
Veteran
|
|
OP
Veteran
Joined: Dec 2002
Posts: 12,896 |
Quote:
Dan, I'm in the process of re-mixing right now. Just got to the vocals and listened for the first time. The 'RAW' track for the vocal is heavily processed. I can't do anything with it.
This was done with the VLT which while a ton of fun is nore suited for Live since once recorded there is no going back. I will re-think and re-sing this part with a much less processed effect.
Quote:
Also, on the guitar tracks there are some places where the intonation on the guitar is causing some problems - won't be able to do anything with that. Most the time it's not an issue, but there are a few places where it's clashing with the bass when the bass goes high on the fingerboard..
The Bass player is doing some runs which get in way with the melody - ya I heard that. I guess the only fix is to spend more time in BIAB or RB to adjust all those parts individually. This was a "simple" bass RT, may need a "very simple" bass RT. I do hear in your mixing you have tamed the bass very much - how?? It is far less obstrusive and a big improvement.
Quote:
I would work on some arrangement items with the autogenerated piano and drums - but for now, I'll just work the mix. Some of the muddiness is timing related between the guitar and piano. Would you like me to point out the spots or not?
Ya, the guitar and piano are stepping on each other, I can hear the places - I had at one point muted the piano over this part with automation that was removed in the tracks I sent you. Then again I may need to go back to BIAB/RB to arranged thw piano better.
Scott, I do appreciate your efforts and would love to have a little more detail on how you tamed the bass and any and all other mixing magic you empolyed. Thanks much.
BIAB – 2026, Reaper (current), i7-12700F Processor, 32GB DDR4-3200MHz RAM, Motu Audio Express 6x6 - My SoundCloud.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Off-Topic
|
Joined: Jan 2002
Posts: 7,913
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: Jan 2002
Posts: 7,913 |
Dan, here is perhaps a slightly different version. http://rockstarnot.rekkerd.org/misc/Producer/SWOTR-SAL%20Remix%20without%20vox%20v2.mp3Not much done other than some light compression on drums, bass, and guitar. I did high pass the guitar at about 300 Hz before compression. Compression only activated on the very loudest portions of the guitar and bass. Put it on drums almost just to raise the level with the makeup gain. I aux bussed every channel to the Kjaerhus classic compressor, set it to small club, put effect/dry mix at 100% effect, increased the room size a little. Sent to that aux to taste. Probably most noticeable on the sax - but note that it's all the same room. Panned guitar a little right, piano pretty far left, sax a little left. Used Final Mix on the output bus set to a jazz mix. It's a multi-band compressor. It did very little on some taming some mids. Normalized the output. I did automate the volume of piano part to tame some of the more energetic playing right before and during the sax solo. I'll try to take some screenshots and post.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Ask sales and support questions about Band-in-a-Box using natural language.
ChatPG's knowledge base includes the full Band-in-a-Box User Manual and sales information from the website.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box® 2025 for Mac® users: Build 904 now available!
If you're already using Band-in-a-Box® 2025 for Mac®, make sure to grab the latest update! Build 904 is now available for download and includes the newest additions and enhancements from our team.
Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Windows® users: Build 1237 is now available!
Already a Band-in-a-Box 2026 for Windows user? Stay up to date and download the build 1237 to get all the latest additions and enhancements.
PowerTracks Pro 2026 for Windows is Here!
PowerTracks 2026 is here—bringing powerful new enhancements designed to make your production workflow faster, smoother, and more intuitive than ever.
The enhanced Mixer now shows Track Type and Instrument icons for instant track recognition, while a new grid option simplifies editing views. Non-floating windows adopt a modern title bar style, replacing the legacy blue bar.
The Master Volume is now applied at the end of the audio chain for consistent levels and full-signal master effects.
Tablature now includes a “Save bends when saving XML” option for improved compatibility with PG Music tools. Plus, you can instantly match all track heights with a simple Ctrl-release after resizing, and Add2 chords from MGU/SGU files are now fully supported... and more!
Get started today—first-time packages start at just $49.
Already using PowerTracks Pro Audio? Upgrade for as little as $29 and enjoy the latest improvements!
Order now!
Band-in-a-Box 2026 for Windows Special Offers End Tomorrow (January 15th, 2026) at 11:59 PM PST!
Time really is running out! Save up to 50% on Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Windows® upgrades and receive a FREE Bonus PAK—only when you order by 11:59 PM PST on Thursday, January 15, 2026!
We've added many major new features and new content in a redesigned Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Windows®!
Version 2026 introduces a modernized GUI redesign across the program, with updated toolbars, refreshed windows, smoother workflows, and a new Dark Mode option. There’s also a new side toolbar for quicker access to commonly used windows, and the new Multi-View feature lets you arrange multiple windows as layered panels without overlap, making it easier to customize your workspace.
Another exciting new addition is the new AI-Notes feature, which can transcribe polyphonic audio into MIDI. You can view the results in notation or play them back as MIDI, and choose whether to process an entire track or focus on specific parts like drums, bass, guitars/piano, or vocals. There's over 100 new features in Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Windows®.
There's an amazing collection of new content too, including 202 RealTracks, new RealStyles, MIDI SuperTracks, Instrumental Studies, “Songs with Vocals” Artist Performance Sets, Playable RealTracks Set 5, two RealDrums Stems sets, XPro Styles PAK 10, Xtra Styles PAK 21, and much more!
Upgrade your Band-in-a-Box for Windows to save up to 50% on most Band-in-a-Box® 2026 upgrade packages!
Plus, when you order your Band-in-a-Box® 2026 upgrade during our special, you'll receive a Free Bonus PAK of exciting new add-ons.
If you need any help deciding which package is the best option for you, just let us know. We are here to help!
Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Windows® Special Offers Extended Until January 15, 2026!
Good news! You still have time to upgrade to the latest version of Band-in-a-Box® for Windows® and save. Our Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Windows® special now runs through January 15, 2025!
We've packed Band-in-a-Box® 2026 with major new features, enhancements, and an incredible lineup of new content! The program now sports a sleek, modern GUI redesign across the entire interface, including updated toolbars, refreshed windows, smoother workflows, a new dark mode option, and more. The brand-new side toolbar provides quicker access to key windows, while the new Multi-View feature lets you arrange multiple windows as layered panels without overlap, creating a flexible, clutter-free workspace. We have an amazing new “AI-Notes” feature. This transcribes polyphonic audio into MIDI so you can view it in notation or play it back as MIDI. You can process an entire track (all pitched instruments and drums) or focus on individual parts like drums, bass, guitars/piano, or vocals. There's an amazing collection of new content too, including 202 RealTracks, new RealStyles, MIDI SuperTracks, Instrumental Studies, “Songs with Vocals” Artist Performance Sets, Playable RealTracks Set 5, two RealDrums Stems sets, XPro Styles PAK 10, Xtra Styles PAK 21, and much more!
There are over 100 new features in Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Windows®.
When you order purchase Band-in-a-Box® 2026 before 11:59 PM PST on January 15th, you'll also receive a Free Bonus PAK packed with exciting new add-ons.
Upgrade to Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Windows® today! Check out the Band-in-a-Box® packages page for all the purchase options available.
Happy New Year!
Thank you for being part of the Band-in-a-Box® community.
Wishing you and yours a very happy 2026—Happy New Year from all of us at PG Music!
Season's Greetings!
Wishing everyone a happy, healthy holiday season—thanks for being part of our community!
The office will be closed for Christmas Day, but we will be back on Boxing Day (Dec 26th) at 6:00am PST.
Team PG
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Forums57
Topics86,063
Posts799,683
Members40,026
| |
Most Online44,367
Mar 4th, 2026
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
There are no members with birthdays on this day. |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Dansk
Deutsch - Windows
Español
Français - Windows
Italiano - Windows
Nederlands
Polski
Português
Svenskt
русский
Japanese
Simplified Chinese
Traditional Chinese
Korean