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I make my own tracks using 100% MIDI instruments (synths) and the same lady told us she is going to ask for us to come back again and again. (seehttp://www.nortonmusic.com/backing_tracks.html for how I make and use them).
I can see how everyone got their feathers ruffled, somewhere in allot of your posts there is a dig for Midi, or a sly way to lead them to your site..ie go here to see how I make them...
And tho I like the Notes demos I have heard they still sound mechanical. I use midi a lot, but ONLY for percussion & drums because Addictive Drums, Oddgrooves, and Smartloops have created some great FEELING drum tracks....as for sax-guitar-bass....well, they still sound midi.
I like the Real Tracks & I like the midi, using Reaper and Studio One V2 midi is a simple to edit as the RT audio, so I can sue whatever I am happy wit, but there is a "selling" atmosphere to a lot of your posts Mr. Notes, intentional or not....
The days of getting most people to a site with the idea of a "free song" are long gone I think, I would be curious to know what version of biab Mr Norton has, perhaps he might care to tell us.
The idea of calling everyone who disagrees with him "a cheap shot" is at the very least mildly insulting to me anyways!
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musiclover, (if that is your real name!  ) Quote:
The idea of calling everyone who disagrees with him "a cheap shot" is at the very least midly insulting to me anyways!
I didn't call anyone "cheap shots", nor did Notes. But a few are taking "cheap shots" at Bob.
I honestly do believe "music envy" is a factor. Most of us would like to be making a living playing music. We aren't. Shucks, ... finding a steady gig would be nice.
A lot of us would like to find a creative way to supplement our income using BIAB. ... Most of us haven't.
What's worse is that Bob's doing it in Florida at fancy yacht clubs and country clubs and even cruise ships !!! Most of us are happy to get a gig in a smoky bar! Doesn't he realize how cold it is where most of us live!!! Especially where Conley lives ! Hehe.
I suspect that if Bob were unsuccessful in his endeavors with his gigs and business, most here would be wishing him luck. Since he is successful, ... well, ... we already see what happens.
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For the record, I don't own any of Bob's stuff. I did the same thing a few others mentioned and went to his site and picked out a couple of fake books and several styles to go with them and it was more than I could justify spending.
I'm not defending him because I use his products, ... I'm doing it because I don't like seeing someone picked on when it's unjustified.
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The idea of calling everyone who disagrees with him "a cheap shot" is at the very least midly insulting to me anyways!
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I didn't call anyone "cheap shots", nor did Notes. But a few are taking "cheap shots" at Bob.
I honestly do believe "music envy" is a factor . Most of us would like to be making a living playing music. We aren't. Shucks, ... finding a steady gig would be nice.
For the record, I don't own any of Bob's stuff. I did the same thing a few others mentioned and went to his site and picked out a couple of fake books and several styles to go with them and it was more than I could justify spending.
I'm not defending him because I use his products, ... I'm doing it because I don't like seeing someone picked on when it's unjustified"
Bobflatpicker,
I have been a forum lurker (more recently a poster) for a long time on here and have watched and read the different threads with interest. I honestly believe that all the posters on here are weill aware of Mr Nortons exceptional musical ability and not as you say "music envy" is a factor. Why should it be? I'm sure that most posters are not within Mr Nortons area and are worried that he is taking away one of thier gigs.
In fact I think all the posters on here are decent upstanding citizens and wouldn't stoop to the level of "music envy" as you suggest.
If I was a third party developer of addons for a software program there is no way I would come on that software's forum and criticise any aspect of that program because I would be wise enough to know that it wouldn't be the right thing to do. It is not fair to the program makers. I would feel like a leech sucking the blood out of the host that is helping to feed me.
As regards Mr Norton I am just fed up with the indirect advertising.
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musiclover, Quote:
As regards Mr Norton I am just fed up with the indirect advertising.
Then don't read his threads or posts.
Problem solved.
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As regards Mr Norton I am just fed up with the indirect advertising.
Then don't read his threads or posts.
Problem solved.
Or better still leave it in the capable hands of PGmusic and Mr Gannon to decide on!
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musiclover, I think John's already addressed that: Quote:
1.I'm not going to research this but if my memory is correct, When Note's post was pulled some time back it was Peter who provided a post himself stating that it was a new moderator that pulled Note's posts advertising as he/she was unaware that Notes had been given long standing permission to do so.
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All I would say to that Bobflatpicker is if you clearly read posts and more importantly learn to "read between the lines" then what may be said and what may be the true intentions of the poster may not be one and the same thing. (Does not refer to Johns silvertones post)
I have read countless posts on the internet that fall into this catagory.
This is my last world on this thread about this, others who have expressed their opinion deserve to have an inpuut if they so wish.
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Hmm... yet another NN thread that turns 'destructive' instead of 'constructive' ... WHY, is that exactly ? Can't put my finger on it... definatley not any 'envy' of any sort I don't think. If he didn't sell a product, and was just a guy touting midi ...maybe the sales aspect is the rub with NN threads ? dunno... carry on.
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musiclover, Quote:
All I would say to that Bobflatpicker is if you clearly read posts and more importantly learn to "read between the lines" then what may be said and what may be the true intentions of the poster may not be one and the same thing.
The next time I need help "reading between the lines", I'll contact you. 
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Superiority, in any aspect, demands ones respect for the position.
Think about that.
There is one issue where you can trust me. I craft off the cuff responses here, and I try and have fun. I call on something, like midi, where I see a fundamental earthquack lurking. Now I've Linuxed with some good guys. And there are parallels. Great midi tweaking, wrestling with a part, to make a machine plop fart like some guy on a sax, is an art. Not one I want to learn.
Not an art as much as it is programming I guess.
So, you want AI, then do what I said. Move icons and make stuff happen. It's the next thing.
Messing with Midi without one of those fancy digital interfaces is nothing but programming. Low level.
We need to move past it.
The tools to play with it will always be part of Open Source.
PGmusic is charting new waters. The midi camp can de-camp. It's not where the market is. The other is. Eventually, 6 years hence, our screaming table aka/ music stand will display All of Me and let us play it for .001 cents per play. Off your pay my friend. Or Pal.
I don't care who says what, not a fiddlers far...
Remember my wife had the casket picked out. I certainly won't lose sleep over this kind of stuff. Ever.
Have fun. I learned that motto here, more than any one other thing.
Try and be mean whilst having fun.
You want me to discuss what's wrong with where? Geez I don't live there. I don't want to.
Lets do a 3 chord version of Abiliene. Mean. I'm going for some H20.
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Try and be mean whilst having fun.
You should make that part of your signature for the forum.
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All I would say to that Bobflatpicker is if you clearly read posts and more importantly learn to "read between the lines" then what may be said and what may be the true intentions of the poster may not be one and the same thing.
The next time I need help "reading between the lines", I'll contact you.
Bob -
Several of your responses have been downright nasty. People still have a right to their opinions, even those that disagree with yours.
To his credit, Notes has responded like a gentleman, and attempted to clear up any misunderstandings. You, however, are acting like a petulant child.
'music envy'? Perhaps in your case; but there are some of us here who have actually played at 'fancy yacht clubs', etc. No big deal - just another gig for a bunch of well-heeled drunks.
I wish Notes all the success in the world. I just don't agree that MIDI tracks sound as authentic as sampled tracks. I do hope that is OK with you.
Regards,
The "Other" Bob
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..."keep your hands and arms inside the car at all times until the ride comes to a full and complete stop" ...
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Superiority, in any aspect, demands ones respect for the position.
Think about that.
PGmusic is charting new waters. The midi camp can de-camp. It's not where the market is.
If that is not where the market is why is PGMusic asking for suggestions on improving the midi side of BiaB? Wouldn’t that be a big waste of money for them? Apparently not!
Use the search engine of your choice and type in midi. You will find a ton of midi venders, hardware and software. I would bet that Native Instruments market share is greater than PGMusics. I’d bet some other big midi players also have very large market share.
I respect your opinions about midi. I just wish you would respect others opinions about midi.
You are correct in that PGMusic is charting new waters, but they always have charted new waters. There still is no competition for them and I doubt there ever will be.
PS – I wish you would stop putting gas on the fire
I get most of my exercise these days from shaking my head in disbelief.
64 bit Win 10 Pro, the latest BiaB/RB, Roland Octa-Capture audio interface, a ton of software/hardware
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The "Other" Bob, (aka 90 dB), I wasn't being "mean" by using the term "music envy". I was being honest. That's often misinterpreted as being "mean". I also occasionally use sarcasm to make a point. Unfortunately, that can also be mistaken for "mean". If you're looking for "mean", then consider the unjustified barbs thrown at Notes Norton anytime he mentions MIDI. Quote:
there are some of us here who have actually played at 'fancy yacht clubs', etc. No big deal - just another gig for a bunch of well-heeled drunks.
The "fancy yacht club" comment was a joke directed at Notes. For lessons on "reading between the lines", ... contact musiclover. 
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90 dB, Quote:
'music envy'? Perhaps in your case
Guilty as charged. Fortunately, my case of "music envy" isn't manifesting itself as ill feelings towards Notes Norton.
Nor ill feelings toward you, even though you referred to me as a "petulant child" . But you might wanna check the mirror when you say this about a yacht club gig:
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No big deal - just another gig for a bunch of well-heeled drunks.
Sounds like fun to me!
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Well Whitney Huston beat me to the endgame. But we both are going.
I guess I should put up my pic again posed in front of a burning car after I showed how to make a gas boom with a pickle jar, gas and det cord. LOL.
Each time your heart beats it's one less you get. Is the next one last?
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Wheee !!...
RIP Witney Houston. Great talent lost.
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..."keep your hands and arms inside the car at all times until the ride comes to a full and complete stop" ...
music related detour:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=53XyCbIJGKY
"Come on people now , smile on your brother
Everybody get together
Try to love one another right now..."
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Yeah... Peace and Love 'bro ! It's the 60's all over again ...yikes !
..and Rodney King too.. "Can't we all just get along ?"
My comments only on the phenomenom of it all ! Trying to figure it all out (not too hard though. Not worth figuring out, really)
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XPro Styles PAKs require Band-in-a-Box® 2025 or higher and are compatible with ANY package, including the Pro, MegaPAK, UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, and Audiophile Edition.
New! Xtra Styles PAK 20 for Band-in-a-Box 2025 and Higher for Windows!
Xtra Styles PAK 20 for Windows & Mac Band-in-a-Box version 2025 (and higher) is here with 200 brand new RealStyles!
We're excited to bring you our latest and greatest in the all new Xtra Styles PAK 20 for Band-in-a-Box! This fresh installment is packed with 200 all-new styles spanning the rock & pop, jazz, and country genres you've come to expect, as well as the exciting inclusion of electronic styles!
In this PAK you’ll discover: Minimalist Modern Funk, New Wave Synth Pop, Hard Bop Latin Groove, Gospel Country Shuffle, Cinematic Synthwave, '60s Motown, Funky Lo-Fi Bossa, Heavy 1980s Metal, Soft Muted 12-8 Folk, J-Pop Jazz Fusion, and many more!
All the Xtra Styles PAKs 1 - 20 are on special for only $29 each (reg $49), or get all 209 PAKs for $199 (reg $399)! Order now!
Learn more and listen to demos of the Xtra Styles PAK 20.
Video: Xtra Styles PAK 20 Overview & Styles Demos: Watch now!
Note: The Xtra Styles require the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition of Band-in-a-Box®. (Xtra Styles PAK 20 requires the 2025 or higher UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition. They will not work with the Pro or MegaPAK version because they need the RealTracks from the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition.
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