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Tried to expand work from a BIAB 2012 audiophile arrangement, mostly using the _WSwing.. .STY stuff, at first all worked well, but then with generating new tracks and regenerating parts of tracks and new solos on new tracks RB 2012 v6 keeps crashing and also my PC, WinXP, hangs.
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(2012 (6) Alpha (2)) 20-5-2012,12:26:31 - Access violation at address 0040C907 in module 'realband.exe'. Read of address 00000000 at: 0040C907
(2012 (6) Alpha (2)) 20-5-2012,12:26:47 - **Tracks (Ctrl-1)** - Access violation at address 00781D5C in module 'realband.exe'. Read of address 00000004 at: 00781D5C
(2012 (6) Alpha (2)) 20-5-2012,12:26:53 - Access violation at address 0083B320 in module 'realband.exe'. Read of address 00000007 at: 0083B320
(2012 (6) Alpha (2)) 20-5-2012,12:37:00 - Access violation at address 0082A867 in module 'realband.exe'. Read of address 00000004 at: 0082A867
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Mine crashed a lot until I started using MME drives, had to close the program when I changed drivers for it to work. Never crashed again, I'm using XP service pack 1, don't know if that could be you're problem. Also have heard that you may need to set your audio properties to do not map this device, with ASIO drivers. Maybe if you could post what your specs are someone might could help you more.
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Fiddler - I use only MME with WinXP SP3. Virtually no crashes in RB2012(6). 2.5 GB RAM with a 2.4 GHz Chip.
I use two HDs and keep my TEMP DIR on the other HD from the program.
FWIW - Ian
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Windows 7 64 bit. Very infrequent errors. Mostly fine. I found that my lower horsepower laptop didn't like 64bit, E-mail 32 bit is solid .its a dell inspiron. 1501 with 4 gb ram.
U use asio for my rpc-1 in the desktop. Asio for my tascam US122 MJII on the laptop .
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well, thanks for the advice; the ups and downs of progress (??) in computerland: i use a separate firewire drive for PG stuff, 8 core Intel PC ... and i prefer asio, and my midi interface also doesn't eat windows 7 64bit .... Other stuff like BIAB and Cubase work well in my setup among video editors and other heavy weight stuff - F
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doesn't eat windows 7 64bit
Yah...I had to upgrade (to the oldest cheapest TASCAM US-122 MkII I could find on CR  ) on the move to 64....got off cheap.
My stupid fone's predictive text (and my fone's stupid owner who doesn't proof read) resulted in some typos.....I figure you get the idea.
I have to say, I treat Real Band like a "special olympics" kinda player in my SONAR (or Cubase)-friendly workstation. You have to move slowly, let it finish, answer "yes" if it asks you an obscure question (like after recording a midi track, "shall I put the audio on track nn?"..heh...sure RB, knock urself out). I try to do as little editing there as I can, I save frequently, I very patiently click&drag among the fluttering, and I fix the drag w/ F7(start)/F8(end) section adjustments (thanks to LynB here for that tip).....I use SONAR for the "in the weeds" stuff.
Don't get me wrong; the gorgeous functionality that exists NOWHERE ELSE in cyber music production makes RB a winner; just gotta take it with the warts. Some kind of workflow can prolly be designed to leverage RB with your needs; BYO patience.
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Here's something that's a little interesting.I was a long time user of Cakewalk 8.0 moved up as far as Sonar 8.0. I haven't touched Sonar in a very long time. I've used RB exclusively since it came out. I'm a very experienced user of PG programs and an experienced user in general. I'm a Beta tester for PG as well.
My close friend uses Sonar & BIAB and never moved on to RB. I'm his Mr. Fix it when it comes to his setup.Every time I try to do something in Sonar I'll be darned if something doesn't mess up. I never have issues with RB.I really think that if you paid close attention to the program that you most use I think you'll find that you've found work arounds and little tricks etc. whether it be RB,Sonar, Audition etc.It's all a matter of what you get used to.
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Lotta truth to that I'll admit, but there's really no comparison in audio and midi presentation and features between sonar and RB. They can both crash and lose ur work if ur not a vigilant saver . I suppose that if u give PG a chance to catch up they could well give the big digs a run , but fir now its just not close....and I feel fir fiddler. Its a PITA when ur system and a cool program like RB don't get along.
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I find Rb a little behind Sonar in the depth of the feature set. Having said that i also find that there are a lot of features in Sonar i will never need, and that for my simple needs i never push Rb past it's limits.
Rb has far more features than we think sometimes, and if you dig into it I find it is pretty solid. I use ASIO and it is solid for me, some have issue with it. If so MME works great.
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... and i prefer asio...
Why? What excactly do you need it for?
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The way I look at it is, if relaband is used for nothing else other than the generation of a pile of realtracks then its worth it just for that reason alone.
Though I'm sure lots of cool music can be finished on it too.
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.. and i prefer asio...
Why? What excactly do you need it for?
Its always had the lowest latency on my systems. Sorta the opposite of Tommy C...MMC was lousy, ASIO saved the day. If MMC is workin for ya then by all means stick with it.
Musiclover, I agree that the generation of real tracks justifies RB existence on its own...thats what got me. I'd submit that the cool music could be better finished in SONAR. That said, what's the goal? RB/BIAB are lots of fun and damn productive. I can't use SONAR to help me with chord changes...hell, can't get it to "generate" anything; not what its for....but after RB sets it up, SONAR can refine it...if thats what you're into.
Bottom line, damn shame fiddler is unable to get a solid environment to work RB/BIAB in.
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I still haven't figured out how the Australian Security Intelligence Organization figures into Real Band...
It isn't going to be the driver as much as the latency setting you pick. Start at 512 and move up and down until you find your sweet spot.
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There is nothing wrong with recording at one setting and rendering at another.
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...but there's really no comparison in audio and midi presentation and features between sonar and RB.
What exactly do you mean "presentation and features"? We've had this discussion before on this forum, RB does way more than you might think. I remember one discussion a year or so ago where we got specific. Well, how about if I want to do this? RB does it. How about that? RB does it. Really? What about this very cool Sonar thing? RB does that too. A lot of these things came up during beta testing and some of us were very surprised when we talked to the developers about it. Some of this stuff is not obvious, it takes a power user to explain it but that's true of every DAW out there.
Now having said that, you're a long time Sonar user, you're used to it and how it works and that's great not saying you should stop using Sonar and only use RB. Lots of Sonar users here. All I'm saying is I don't believe your statement is completely true. There are differences and two I can think of is automation and VST implementation. RB lets you draw volume envelopes but no automation using a control surface and there is a bug in the VST implementation comcerning tempo matching of plugins to the project. Otherwise, I can completely mix and master a project in RB just fine and you can't tell any difference to one mastered in Sonar. Work flow can be different, the look can be different but actually getting the work done? No problem. You want to talk audio editing? RB is very good, how about midi editing? RB is very good there too. How about using third party plugs? No problem RB will work with any name brand plugin is there is both instruments and effects. You want to use a $1,000 mastering suite? No problem.
Virtually all problems reported on this forum concerning any of that always winds up being user error. This stuff is very tricky as you know so a lot of noob's get confused. You see lots of threads here with people venting RB is a piece of crap, why won't it do whatever, etc, etc. Get down to it and the guy sheepishly says after a week "Oh, thats how it works, you guys are great" but if you didn't read that far all you see is RB must not be much good if all these prople can't make it work.
It works 98% of the time (nothing is perfect). Including ASIO.
Bob
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How about using third party plugs? No problem RB will work with any name brand plugin is there is both instruments and effects.
Ya got some good points there Bob, but don't go too far, least you forget - JamStix or Melodyn. 
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...and there is a bug in the VST implementation comcerning tempo matching of plugins to the project.
That's what this means. I have Jamstix.
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I did a project last year and actually did the project in three different host. I used Reaper, Sonar X1, and RB. When i was done there was no difference, and actually the RB version was a little bit easier to finish up. I used the same plug ins, virtually, and i was surprised. I hope that soon they address the VSTi timing issue, and that they add a more complete Automation system, similar to maybe Sonar or Reaper. If they do i will do almost all my work in RB.
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It's all a matter of what you like to work in - how well you find the interface "intuitive" to you and really not much more. most of the features and functions are available for each DAW. Use what you like!
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I used BIAB many years ago and recently bought
BIAB Everything pack 2012. By the time I understand
any of it they'll probably have a dozen more versions.
I can do a little and have a few bars of songs I'd like
to finish one of these days...
Is there anyway I can get faster help, maybe locally?
I live in the South Florida area. Maybe a pipe dream,
but I thought I'd ask anyway.
Thanks!
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