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I have V-Vocal (and don't use it too much), but melodyne essentials is on sale for $50 here: http://www.musiciansfriend.com/pro-audio/celemony-melodyne-essential Essential does not have all the fancy stuff like DNA and polyphonic editing, but it handles the simple pitch correction quite well from what I read. I wonder if it works with Sonar 8.5.3 -- I'll guess I am going to find out. Kevin
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Yes, highly recommended for any vocalist. It is eye-opening to actually "see" the notes you are singing. Very humbling also  .
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I have V-Vocal (and don't use it too much), but melodyne essentials is on sale for $50 here: http://www.musiciansfriend.com/pro-audio/celemony-melodyne-essential
Essential does not have all the fancy stuff like DNA and polyphonic editing, but it handles the simple pitch correction quite well from what I read. I wonder if it works with Sonar 8.5.3 -- I'll guess I am going to find out.
Kevin
buying in at a reduced price qualifies you for an upgrade price later if you want DNA. And if you don't need DNA, $50 is a no-brainer for this product. IMO it is one of the 3 or 4 "Must have" products for every home studio
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melodyne actually works as a plugin in Sonar, which means you can edit audio tracks from within the Sonar environment. Unfortunately, it doesn't work as a plugin with RealBand, so RB users must use the product as a standalone app
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I have Essential and don't necessarily want DNA, but Assistant offers more voice pitch control like pitch drift
and vocal formant. So Assistant will be my next step - saw it for about $120 but no cash yet.
I use it as standalone.
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What they said. I picked up Melodyne Essential last year, and it's way worth it. For fifty bucks? Jump at it, Kev.
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man, at that price you should buy 10 and sell the other 9 on Ebay after the sale is over
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Essential does not have all the fancy stuff like DNA and polyphonic editing, but it handles the simple pitch correction quite well from what I read.
A lot of products do a good job of pitch correction... but what sets Melodyne apart from all the others is its ability to let you edit audio at the note level, using the same note editing paradigm as Piano Roll.
As such, you can fix a lot more than pitch problems. And it is actually more intelligent than piano roll editing. For example, in piano roll,if you stretch a note to make it longer or shorter, it creates either a dead space between the edited note and the adjacent note, or it creates an overlap. Melodyne "knows" that if you change the starting or ending point of a note, the adjacent note needs to adjust its start point, end point , or length to accommodate... and it takes care of it automatically!
Therefore, You can actually quantize a badly timed audio track with Melodyne!
You can also change many more things with Melodyne that are not possible with other audio editors.
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I got it and installed it this weekend. Of course, once I got it I read that it is only designated to be compatible with Sonar X1 and I have 8.5.3! But it seems to work in stand-alone mode and as a plug-in.
I loaded one tune and I was pretty surprised that my pitches were actually pretty close (ha,ha). I moved a few "fringe" pitches 100% "on-center", but the wavering around the pitch center stays there and it sounded natural.
One quirk I noticed right away: I looped a section in sonar, so I could turn the plug-in off and on to see what differences I could hear. Well, the Sonar looped -- but the melodyne kept going and going and going as if there was no loop set up. I hope I can figure that one out. I can live with it, but it was sort of annoying.
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I got it and installed it this weekend. Of course, once I got it I read that it is only designated to be compatible with Sonar X1 and I have 8.5.3! But it seems to work in stand-alone mode and as a plug-in.
Thanks for the update Kevin! I was hoping you'd respond!
FWIW, I still have Sonar 6.0 and the current version of Melodyne works as a plugin even in a version that old. It may be that 100% compatibilty is only with Sonar X1 (which might explain your looping quirk)
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I loaded one tune and I was pretty surprised that my pitches were actually pretty close (ha,ha). I moved a few "fringe" pitches 100% "on-center", but the wavering around the pitch center stays there and it sounded natural.
you've been doing tghis for quite a while. I always thought you had a pretty good handle on your vocals. But it will still be useful as an all purpose editor
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One quirk I noticed right away: I looped a section in sonar, so I could turn the plug-in off and on to see what differences I could hear. Well, the Sonar looped -- but the melodyne kept going and going and going as if there was no loop set up. I hope I can figure that one out. I can live with it, but it was sort of annoying.
Maybe because you don't have Sonar X1? But I understand your annoyance. Its great when products work consistently within our established workflow procedures. I think there's another way to "hear the difference" but I'm not at my music PC at the moment, so I can't check melodyne.
But keep us posted
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Kevin, Pat et al Using Melodyne Essential with RealBand and Powertracks does require a modification in workflow. Since "plugin" does not work, One must move the RB/PT vocal via a WAV to the "standalone" Essential. . . a minor inconvenience for such a useful tool. Then re-import after changes are saved. I know you guys know this, but for the uninitiated who are thinking of using Melodyne and PG 's RB and PT, it's a great return for a small inconvenience.  Now I'm after upgrading to Melodyne Assistant. Cheers lads - Ian 
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I got it and am still poking around.
It did confirm my suspicion that as I get older, I'm drifting closer to the cracks. An eyeopener.
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I got it and am still poking around.
It did confirm my suspicion that as I get older, I'm drifting closer to the cracks. An eyeopener.
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me too. This program was not intuitive to me at all. But the help videos are very helpful.
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Just went to the melodyne forum (man, there a lot of unhappy Sonar users!) and the looping issue is known. One guy had a good workaround, though.
You can set sonar to jump back to the starting point every time you stop (this seems to be my default behavior). So just start wherever you want and as soon as it gets to your desired ending loop point -- just stop sonar and the cursor will jump back. It is manual looping, but it should work OK. The main reason is that Melodyne takes the track that you have the plugin on and creates its own little universe to run it in (it has to analyze the entire track in melodyne to determine pitches and display the blobs) Based on what melodyne has to do, I can see how getting the loop to be in synch would be difficult.
I'll have to give the work around a try.
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Sounds like a good reason to explore the Standalone Melodyne Essential.
I have yet to have it mess with tempo during pitch correction process or during "save as".
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This is a program I wish was never invented... See my thread about perfection.
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