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1st amendment rights aren't the point of this discussion.


I guess we will have to disagree on that point.



Kevin,
are you suggesting that you understand what I was trying to say better than I do? The speaker is the one who defines his own intent, not the listener.

If I was talking about 1st amendment rights, why would I mention North Korea? They have no investment in the American constitution. But they have people and they have oppression. Sentient people should be able to learn from other peoples' mistakes. Or not.

It has been said that a wise man can avoid trouble by learning from the mistakes of others
an average man learns from his own mistakes
and a fool keeps making the same mistakes over and over without learning a thing.

Discussion helps us to see what others have learned. Resistance to discussion is not the tendency of the wise. What observation would complete that analogy?

I like you a lot Kevin. It really grieves me that I seem to have rubbed you the wrong way. Please believe that is not my intent. This is a topic about which I have very passionate stance. I'm not arguing with you as much as I am arguing a certain mindset that I do not want to see spread and become mainstream. (it may already be too late) The removal of personal freedoms IN ANY SOCIETY happens gradually, with a bunch of small losses along the way.

A very large boulder can be moved by gradually removing one piece of supporting sand at a time. And liberty works the same way... not just here, but everywhere.

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