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I had two great grandfathers in that war. One died at Vicksburg of diarrhea.
One of the things that the U.S. Civil War had in common with all other wars until the more modern era is that more men died from diseases that they contracted in camp, than died on the battlefield. Nearly 2 men died from illness for every one man killed in battle.
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One of the best narratives on the Civil War is Shelby Foote's trilogy on the subject. I highly recommend it to anyone who wants to know about the Civil War but doesn't want to read the typical history books about.
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If you enjoy music of the Civil War they are beautifully chronicled by Tom Roush on YT.
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I think of the old James Stewart movie Shenandoah where his two sons choose to fight on opposite sides during that war and the pain felt by many real-life parents of that era. It told of a very ugly side of the Civil War.
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Johnny Cash summed up the futility of war in this 6-minute musical tribute: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GM80_377AF4&feature=relatedThe beautiful Yankee song Lorena was carried home to the South by returning Rebel soldiers. The song was soon outlawed by both sides because, upon hearing it, soldiers on both sides would lay down their arms and go home. It has long been a personal favorite from the war era. Simply beautiful. Enjoy. A lot of beautiful music sprang from that war of brother against brother, father against son. We can't imagine the depth of emotions involved. It's impossible.
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Time for a wee bit o' levity:
A college student of American History inquired of his professor: "Sir, why is it that all of the major battles of the Civil War were fought in National Parks?"
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The whole North/South rivalry can still be found to one degree or another, even today, though usually it's in the form of good natured ribbing.
Originally from the North, I was attending a 2 yr NY Community College where I had a Physics Professor from Tennessee with a pronounced Southern drawl.
Surrounded by Yankees, he seemed to feel the need to devise unusually hard reading assignments and even found some perverse pleasure when most of the class did poorly on his tests.
Since Community Colleges were more affordable than the 4 yr Ivy League colleges, they were often attended by older kids who had served in the military (Vietnam was chewin' them up and spittin' them out back then) using the VA Bill to finance their education.
One such young guy was a "Yankee" named John Green, who always attended class in his green army shirt and carrying his books in an old army knapsack.
On the day of our final Physics test, the Southern Prof passed out the tests and stood back grinning, as though waiting for something.
It arrived as a unanimous groan rose from the class when we saw how unbelievably difficult he'd made it.
He then said, in his slow Southern drawl, "Well...I guess the South's gonna rise again."
To which John Green immediately loudly replied, "Yeah, Crap Floats!" (cleaned up version)
Needless to say we all broke out laughing.
Needless to say the the Physics Bell Curve scores took a huge hit to the negative.
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Im working on a tune about the American Civil war.
As Im not from the US I dont want to offend any one.
Is the word "Yanky" seen as offensive.
Thank you in advance.
If the tune is about the civil war, and you want the lyrick to be authentic ( like it was written in the 1860s, then it is not offensive to my uppinion.
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The only thing that offends me is "people who get offended".
Later,
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My southern relatives have a special nuance for the word "yankee" that is hard to duplicate  . Don S.
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When I was growing up the only time you ever heard about the Civil War was in history class or in a movie. It was never a topic of conversation. When my sales territory was changed to include Roanoke and Richmond,VA areas, I then saw life sized portraits of Robert E. Lee for the first time.  It was also where I got my first lecture about “States Rights”. A customer In Roanoke, VA who had a LARGER than life portrait of Robert E. Lee in his office was telling me about going in to see his kids “Yankee” teacher to set her straight about the Civil War. He was upset because the teacher had told the class that the Civil War was about slavery. I told him that I had always thought that was what the war was about. Bad move on my part.  I spent the next 2 hours getting a history lesson from his point of view! 
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Bob, is it not true that the issue of slavery was never thrown out on the table by Lincoln until the third year of the War? The South had it's back broken and he was trying to draw support for a War-ending death stroke from Southern blacks.
The documentary, Twilight Of The Confederacy tends to confirm that the Civil War was not over the issue of slavery, per se, but Lincoln's spin doctors used it to their great advantage.
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Bob, is it not true that the issue of slavery was never thrown out on the table by Lincoln until the third year of the War?
I honestly don’t know. I’m definitely NOT a Civil War scholar.
I only have two hard and fast opinions on the Civil War.
1. Slavery was an abomination and HAD to be stopped.
2. After the “Yankees” gained the upper hand toward the end of the war, they became nothing more than thugs as they raped, pillaged and murdered their way across the south.
I think it's sad that most Americans think that everyone in the Confederacy had slaves and were repugnant. The vast majority of the Confederates were just people trying to protect their homes and families from the invasion from the north.
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As far as the concept of “States Rights”, … I’m all for it!
I’m not a fan of the “Feds” in any way, shape or form! I just don’t know enough about the minutiae of the Civil War to know how that all fits in to a discussion on the Civil War, … or as it’s known in the south, … “The War”.
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I think it's sad that most Americans think that everyone in the Confederacy had slaves and were repugnant. The vast majority of the Confederates were just people trying to protect their homes and families from the invasion from the north.
I agree Bob, but I also can't believe that all yankee soldiers were rapists and Georgia Bummers.
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I agree Bob, but I also can't believe that all yankee soldiers were rapists and Georgia Bummers.
I agree. I don't know what a "Georgia Bummer" is, but it's NOT my opinion that rape, pillaging and murder were widespread AND tolerated by the leadership of the Yankees, ... it's an historical fact.
A very sad one.
If my great, great grandmother was raped by the Yankees, the homestead was burnt to the ground and my great, great grandfather came home to a pile of ashes with one leg, ... or not at all, … I’d probably have a portrait of Robert E. Lee too! LOL.
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it's NOT my opinion that rape, pillaging and murder were widespread AND tolerated by the leadership of the Yankees, ... it's an historical fact.
A very sad one.
The subject of rape by union forces during the Civil War has been something a number of historians have worked on, and the general consensus is that it was not widespread, was not condoned Sherman or his officers, and was mainly committed by stragglers. I believe that there was something on the order of one dozen documented rapes during Shermans March and those soldiers were court martialded and hanged. That is hardly being tolerated.
Lets get straight on the slavery issue. A person did not have to own slaves to support the institution any more than you need to own a company or stocks to support capitalism. The entire Southern Economy was based on salvery. Slaves made your shoes, cleaned the streets, picked up waste, etc. Most people owed their livlihood to slavery even if they didn't own them.
On top of that, those who did own slaves kept people stirred up in their hate of Yankees and fear of free blacks. Non slave owners were constantly told by the slave owners that the Yankees wanted balcks to kill southerners in their beds at night and rape their women. Shortly before the outbreakd of the Civil War, it was dangerous for a Yankee to travel in the south. There are numerous accounts from the time perioed of Northerners being attacked in by mobs while they were traveling in the south.
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I believe that there was something on the order of one dozen documented rapes during Shermans March and those soldiers were court martialded and hanged.
Who exactly were the women supposed to report it to since all the men were fighting the war?
Let’s not forget that rape was considered to be shameful on the women!
I don't think that number is even REMOTELY close to the truth and it flies in the face of everything I've ever read and the documentaries I've seen.
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Accounts seem to suggest that BLACK women in the South made up a much larger group of rape victims than whites. Perhaps soldiers simply felt it easier to get away with or more opportunities were presented. Or maybe racism made them (and their officers?) feel less guilty about it.
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