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In both cases, many of the customers were clearly there specifically because of the music. On the down side, bluegrass doesn't help me find venues for backing tracks made with BIAB, since this crowd is notoriously resistant to any form of music that requires electricity.
Everything you’ve said here is true. Bluegrass fans don’t want to just hear 4 or 5 solos on different instruments, … they want to watch each person play them. There’s a VERY high premium placed on musical ability.
There are two exceptions to this. Those who are young and learning the craft, and those who are old but have made their mark in years gone by. Both of these groups will be welcomed with open arms.
Backing tracks of ANY kind will not be accepted. It’s live musicians only. And they LOVE new tunes.
The only way to use bluegrass backing tracks and have it accepted would be to play for an audience at a home or coffee house where they aren’t expecting LIVE music and include it as part of a set of country or folk songs.
The only "effect" that true bluegrass fans wanna hear is amplification. 
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I guess I'm in the bluegrass camp. Listening to someone play along to backing tracks brings the yawns from me. I don't even like if they use pre-recorded percussion/pad tracks. That is unless the music is designed to be that way - ala the dubstep I pointed out earlier.
But if it's supposed to be a band, I want to see and hear a band. I mentioned that I like some rap, if the lyrics are not misogynistic - the rap bands I like the most use live drummers and instrumentalists. If that shocks some of you that there are rappers that use live bands - it is true.
I would in no way accept watching a bluegrass 'player' with backing tracks going on - it violates the whole of bluegrass being a country store porch get together kind of a vibe.
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David: What are we going to do, we've got nothing to play here...
Derek: I'll tell you what we're gonna have to do...
David: What?
Derek: Jazz odyssey!
David: We're not going about to do a free-form jazz, uh, exploration in front of a festival crowd!
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BTW - I saw this with Allison Krauss, Dan Tyminski and Sierra Hull playing for The POTUS and company. Bob, I am a new fan of Ms. Hull!
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Eddie, a Spinal Tap fan like me, uhm, why does that not surprize me 
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BTW - I saw this with Allison Krauss, Dan Tyminski and Sierra Hull playing for The POTUS and company. Bob, I am a new fan of Ms. Hull!
Glad to hear it. If I were as close as you are to where she’s gonna be playing in a few days, I’d be there even if I had to walk. Hehe.
There are tons of great young players out there, be this girl is CRAZY good.
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Eddie, a Spinal Tap fan like me, uhm, why does that not surprize me
There's such a fine line between clever and stupid.....
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Hi Bob, I have had some guitar students who just love shred music and want to play shred guitar. I tell them that if they want to listen to real shred musicians listen to bluegrass. Musicians that can play extremely fast (shredding in the new language) on ACOUSTIC instruments. That is NOT with instruments that have very close sting action and through an amp with so much distortion that a note can last for minutes. PS – I lose most of those students by the next lesson 
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Scott, Since you mentioned “dubstep” it made me recall a video I saw a few weeks ago. You’ve probably heard of this girl: Dubstep Violin- Lindsey Stirling- Crystallize Either way, it’s a cool vid and song. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aHjpOzsQ9YIP.S. It was filmed in Colorado. 
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I have had some guitar students who just love shred music and want to play shred guitar. I tell them that if they want to listen to real shred musicians listen to bluegrass.
Hi Mario.
Yeah, I've had the same experience. A lot of the Metal-Heads laugh at country music, until I get them to try some fast, accurate country lead parts. No overdrive, no hammers, no tapping, just hard work. They soon develop a new respect for country lead guitarists!
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I have had some guitar students who just love shred music and want to play shred guitar.
Time to repeat my story from about 14 months back when I was in a Guitar Center store and there was some mid 20 something kid sitting on a Marshall hammering the hell out of a Les Paul neck with his right hand. I listened to him impress himself for about 45 seconsd and said "Nice. Hey, can you show me how to play a B flat major 7th?"
He handed me the guitar, laid an F-bomb on me, and left the store.
Tell the shredders to look up Andy Leftwich and see what speed is about. As much as I love Dream Theater, i can take Petrucci for about 5 minutes and then I have to turn it off. Between him and Rudess, they just fit SO many notes into a bar....
There is a cartoon somewhere that has the caption "DREAM THEATER SHEET MUSIC" and the art is a solid black bar on staff paper. I laughed so hard I almost choked.
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I have had some guitar students who just love shred music and want to play shred guitar.
Time to repeat my story from about 14 months back when I was in a Guitar Center store and there was some mid 20 something kid sitting on a Marshall hammering the hell out of a Les Paul neck with his right hand. I listened to him impress himself for about 45 seconsd and said "Nice. Hey, can you show me how to play a B flat major 7th?"
He handed me the guitar, laid an F-bomb on me, and left the store.
Tell the shredders to look up Andy Leftwich and see what speed is about. As much as I love Dream Theater, i can take Petrucci for about 5 minutes and then I have to turn it off. Between him and Rudess, they just fit SO many notes into a bar....
There is a cartoon somewhere that has the caption "DREAM THEATER SHEET MUSIC" and the art is a solid black bar on staff paper. I laughed so hard I almost choked.
I can relate to the kid in GC. I’ve had a couple of very similar experiences with “know-it-all” students.
Loved the “Dream theater sheet music”! I can relate to those remarks also.
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There is a cartoon somewhere that has the caption "DREAM THEATER SHEET MUSIC" and the art is a solid black bar on staff paper. I laughed so hard I almost choked.
Frank Zappa's audition sheet music was known in the industry as "The Black Page," because, according to FZ, of its "statistical density."
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WSS, I missed your post, I just clicked on the link and the one Eddie responded with. What strikes me is the top ten dubstep tunes has over 3 million views. Obviously dubstep is a big deal. Cut the Cake only got 22 thousand but the live concert version of Pick Up The Pieces has 1.6 million, not bad.
As to AWB, I don't know if I'm the only one but I'm certainly one of the guys that introduced Pick Up The Pieces to the LA cover band scene back in 1987. I was in a pretty hot R&B horn band at the Lighthouse and mentioned that tune to the lead sax player as something I would love the band to do and he made a deal with me, if I would write out the basic lead chart he would rehearse the other two horns so I did. We started doing it and it sounded great. There were 3 other horn bands rotating through the Lighthouse at that time and within a month the others started doing that tune too and when I went out to the valley to a couple other places to check out the acts I started hearing it there too. Prior to us doing it at the Lighthouse, I didn't see anyone doing it.
Now that song is such a classic, I've heard many different versions of it on the jazz stations around here. The most interesting one is a string quartet. I didn't catch who it was but it was amazing, they actually pulled it off. A funky string quartet, pretty cool.
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Speaking of Jazz Classics how about Don Shirley's Version of Waterboy. And while I say Jazz Classic, I know this tune was also a blues tune not to mention the many bluegrass versions on the web. I am almost ashamed to admit that over the years I almost forgot this tune existed. Not anymore thanks to BIAB it's rediscovered and plugged into my show. Laster,
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I guess I'm in the bluegrass camp. Listening to someone play along to backing tracks brings the yawns from me. I don't even like if they use pre-recorded percussion/pad tracks. That is unless the music is designed to be that way - ala the dubstep I pointed out earlier.
But if it's supposed to be a band, I want to see and hear a band. I mentioned that I like some rap, if the lyrics are not misogynistic - the rap bands I like the most use live drummers and instrumentalists. If that shocks some of you that there are rappers that use live bands - it is true.
I would in no way accept watching a bluegrass 'player' with backing tracks going on - it violates the whole of bluegrass being a country store porch get together kind of a vibe.
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Scott,
That attitude may be typical but not always the rule. It all depends on geography and Venue.I admittedly have a difficult time with that were I live because a lot of people are self proclaimed music experts & critics.Then there are the people that just want to have fun. I auditioned for the Local C of C here for there dinner and they LOVE what I play. They LOVE the songs and me. They don't care how it's done. My friend plays the VFWs,Legions etc and makes more then the Bands. Why? Because he plays the SONGS THEY want to here not the ones the band wants to play.
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That attitude may be typical but not always the rule. It all depends on geography and Venue.I admittedly have a difficult time with that were I live because a lot of people are self proclaimed music experts & critics.Then there are the people that just want to have fun. I auditioned for the Local C of C here for there dinner and they LOVE what I play. They LOVE the songs and me. They don't care how it's done. My friend plays the VFWs,Legions etc and makes more then the Bands. Why? Because he plays the SONGS THEY want to here not the ones the band wants to play.
John, I think you have a real point. There was a time when the songs were the feature and who performed them was secondary. I actually watched a documentary about when this started to change over to the singer/songwriter being featured over the song performed by some popular group or singer.
Watching Lawrence Welk is a great lesson with any of the featured instrumentalists on this topic, or any of the great past instrumentalists (thinking of Floyd Cramer, Roy Clarke, etc. ) or singers who took already existing known and popular songs and made a career out of performing them. I honestly can't think of any off the top of my head because this has never really been of any interest to me. Plinking grace notes like Floyd, or pickin and grinnin like Roy was interesting to me.
If I recall correctly, the documentary blamed people like Bob Dylan for starting the trend away from performers performing other people's music, and toward performers/bands performing their own music or at least music selected by them to be 'original' music. Thus also supposedly began the slow death of sheet music publication.
The Floyd Cramer types no longer exist and haven't for decades, at least in youth-popular culture. Born in 1967, I grew up in the era when that was nearly gone. My paradigm is the expectation that a 'band' is live, and should perform music that they themselves have written/composed. The current dance 'DJ' culture is also somewhat confusing and of limited interest to me as well. I'm talking people that are not spinning records at high school dances, but folks that have become superstars being 'DJ's (when no discs are usually involved), but remixing and selecting songs in a sequence and overlaying of other songs gets someone famous. It's weird to me.
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Here's another factor that I ran into. for real.
I played at a local pizza/sports bar on a Wednesday night.You all know I think that I'm 60 and play Classic Country & Oldies.I had a nice little group of around 25 people that came and had all kinds of food & drinks and had a great time. I made $120 in tips.
I got an email from the owner stating she wasn't going to have me back cause she didn't get a good report from her bar tender.
The bar tender is a 20 year old tattooed skank.Of course she's not going to want to listen to what I play.Lesson: Pick the venues that fit your music.
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Isn't it proper to share tips with the wait-staff (bartender), or am I wrong on that?? 
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