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I'm using a VSTi plug-in to play some soundfont drum samples I bought a while back. The problem is that PT is playing the MIDI notes literally with no sustain, so it cuts off the end of the drum samples. Is there a way to get PT to play the whole sample without cutting it off?
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The problem is that the VSTi is responding to note-off commands, which is normal for most instrument samplers. What you need is a dedicated drum sample player which just triggers the sample and lets it play to the end. There are lots of good free ones available - try this for starters. www.vstplanet.comThe only other solution I can thinks of is to edit the midi notes to increase their duration. (Tedious) ROG.
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Any suggestions on a good one to use? Problem is the free ones have very little description of what they do, and little or no documentation comes with them.
Most of the searching around I've done suggests using expensive stand-alone software like addictive drums, bfd, or superior2. All I need is something that plays drum soundfonts well.
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SoftDrum Synth is one that I've used in the past and it seems pretty good. Check it out on this page- http://www.vstplanet.com/Instruments/VST_Drums.htmROG. EDIT - if you download it and need any help setting it up, just get back to me.
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Thank you for your reply. I did try out SoftDrum last night and was not able to get it working with their sample drums. The documentation is quite confusing. The Sonic Implants soundfont I'm using has 12 different drum sets, and it seems like it would be a real chore using an editor to break out every drum set separately (or as in their supplied samples also breaking out each drum from each drum set).
On a positive note I was able to get some success using the free Cakewalk SFZ VSTi soundfont player. It did play the drum samples without chopping off the ends. However the mix of the drums seemed "off" with the snare drum being way too far up in the mix. I might have to do some more searching around for some more general VSTi soundfont players that allows for mixing of each individual note. I haven't tried SFZ+ yet but that one seems to have more features.
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I realize that you've invested in soundfonts and so you obviously want to get them working, but I've always found it easier to work with wav samples. They usually come as individual samples, plus it's easier to make up your own sounds.
There are lots of good VSTi drums which play wav files, so if you're still having problems and decide to go down that route, get back to me and I'll provide some more info.
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Most Drum Kits require nurturing as many do not quite do what you want. VSTi Drum machines usually contain the ability to change parameters internally and may not obey the Midi volume or velocity data contained in the Drum Track. Drum Soundfont Banks, also differ and may provide what you are looking for without editing. To edit Sf Banks or others, use Edit > Split Midi Drums into individual instruments. Now you can check each track, firstly, to see that all the tracks have sounds allocated. Secondly, because all the individual tracks are using Channel 10, it is necessary to adjust the relative volumes by changing the Velocity levels using Edit > Change Velocities.
Once happy with the overall sounds, multiple tracks can be recorded to wav files separately or in combinations to benefit from Audio effect differences.
Also, in extended format, you can mix and match by allocating different SF Banks/Vsti to the individual instruments. I use BFD but my sound set doesn't include Latin instruments for which I use a specific Latin SF.
I hope this helps.
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thanks for the replies. My understanding of soundfonts is limited, but aren't soundfonts is just an envelope for a collection of wav files? It might be possible then to break out the wav files separately.
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aren't soundfonts is just an envelope for a collection of wav files?
Yes, and then again, no.
A soundfont starts out as a wav file, but by use of a soundfont editor it has things added, like looping. Because soundfonts weren't designed primarily for just drums, any sound which is required to play continuously needs a loop point added. In practice, lots of other processing can added to the wav file before it becomes a soundfont. Often the soundfonts are arranged in banks, such as the General Midi standard.
Drum samples don't need to be this complex. All that's needed is a sample player which triggers the drum sound from a "note-on" command. Often the sample is just the raw wav file. Most drum VSTi will allow you to assign a separate midi note number as the trigger for each drum. More advanced ones will give you control over the pitch of the sample and some have EQ and effects sends.
Lots of free drum samples are available and these can be loaded singly into most VSTI, allowing you to build a drum kit of your choosing. Each kit you create can then be saved as a preset.
Hope this helps you to understand the possibilities. As I said before, if you want to go down this route I'd be happy to help.
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I appreciate your time in replying to my posts. I'm not keen on building up a drum kit on my own from WAV files because it looks very time consuming and I'm not good with MIDI mapping. All that being said, after searching thoroughly I went and bought Ezdrummer and have been playing around with that on Powertracks. It's working pretty good but I'm having a few problems:
1. When I load the Ezdrummer configuration window from Powertracks I can't hear anything being played in the configuration window. (This also happens with other VSTi's I've used)
2. When I'm playing a MIDI drum track in Powertracks with Ezdrummer some of the drum notes don't always play, but other times they do. For instance it often completely ignores the toms and plays just the bass, cymbals, and snare.
3. Ezdrummer has a track browser where you are supposed to be able to drag a MIDI file right into the MIDI track of the DAW. When I do this it imports the MIDI notes ok in to the bar but then it also erases every MIDI note that came before that bar.
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Ezdrummer isn't something I've worked with, so hopefully someone else will pick this up from here. Still, let's see what can be done.
1) You probably need to be using ASIO drivers for this, not MME. Ask us again if you need more info on ASIO.
2) Sounds like there's a limit on the number of notes it will play at the same time (polyphony). There might be a setting for this somewhere.
3) No idea.
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Iam using EZ Drummer with realband. I think power tracks is similar enough to try and help you.
1.In midi setup there is a checkbox to re-route midi playback to default synth. This may need to be checked or unchecked depending on whether you are using a single synth or have assigned a specific synth to one or more tracks.
2.Ez Drummer is set up so that it will respond correctly to a GM file. Are you referring to the same midi file not always playing all the drum notes, or different midi files? If you are using files taken off the web you may find that the drum mapping does not match. Piano roll will allow you to re-assign the notes to the correct keys.
3.Dragging and dropping the grooves onto a realband track behaves the same way. Here is the work around: Alternate between two tracks... Drag a groove to the first track, Drag the next groove to the second track and then copy paste to the first track. The grooves must be dragged to an empty track or it will erase the previous data. I believe this a problem specific to realband.
If you are having trouble with vst's,some more info on your setup will enable more people to give you some help. Bobby..
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Hi bobby, I'll check out your solutions. Thanks a great deal. As for the MIDI tracks I'm using... they are the ones that came with Ez Drummer. Maybe I'll just have to play with it some more. It seemed like it was a glitch to me. The toms wouldn't play, and then if I made some change like opening and closing the VSTi configuration window suddenly they would start playing again.
As for the original soundfont discussion, I was able to use a program called sf2comp to extract all of the WAV files from the soundfont. It also generated a text file with all of the soundfont assignments. For example, here's one of the drumkits:
PresetName=KickQ2 & YamaMaple1 Bank=128 Program=0
Instrument=Snare-YamahaMaple L_LowKey=0 L_HighKey=127 L_LowVelocity=0 L_HighVelocity=127
Instrument=Kick-YamahaEQ2 L_LowKey=0 L_HighKey=127 L_LowVelocity=0 L_HighVelocity=127 L_initialAttenuation=100
Instrument=Toms-YamahaThinhead L_LowKey=0 L_HighKey=127 L_LowVelocity=0 L_HighVelocity=127 L_initialAttenuation=60
Instrument=Hats-Paiste L_LowKey=0 L_HighKey=127 L_LowVelocity=0 L_HighVelocity=127 L_initialAttenuation=240
Instrument=Ride-ZildjianK L_LowKey=0 L_HighKey=127 L_LowVelocity=0 L_HighVelocity=127 L_initialAttenuation=220
Instrument=Crash-15"ZildjMed L_LowKey=0 L_HighKey=127 L_LowVelocity=0 L_HighVelocity=127 L_initialAttenuation=260
Instrument=Crash-17"ZildjCust L_LowKey=0 L_HighKey=127 L_LowVelocity=0 L_HighVelocity=127 L_initialAttenuation=330
Instrument=Splash-12"Zildj L_LowKey=0 L_HighKey=127 L_LowVelocity=0 L_HighVelocity=127 L_initialAttenuation=330
GlobalLayer GL_startAddrsOffset= GL_endAddrsOffset= GL_startloopAddrsOffset= GL_endloopAddrsOffset= GL_startAddrsCoarseOffset= GL_modLfoToPitch= GL_vibLfoToPitch= GL_modEnvToPitch= GL_initialFilterFc= GL_initialFilterQ= GL_modLfoToFilterFc= GL_modEnvToFilterFc= GL_endAddrsCoarseOffset= GL_modLfoToVolume= GL_unused1= GL_chorusEffectsSend= GL_reverbEffectsSend= GL_pan= GL_unused2= GL_unused3= GL_unused4= GL_delayModLFO= GL_freqModLFO= GL_delayVibLFO= GL_freqVibLFO= GL_delayModEnv= GL_attackModEnv= GL_holdModEnv= GL_decayModEnv= GL_sustainModEnv= GL_releaseModEnv= GL_keynumToModEnvHold= GL_keynumToModEnvDecay= GL_delayVolEnv= GL_attackVolEnv= GL_holdVolEnv= GL_decayVolEnv= GL_sustainVolEnv= GL_releaseVolEnv= GL_keynumToVolEnvHold= GL_keynumToVolEnvDecay= GL_reserved1= GL_startloopAddrsCoarseOffset= GL_keynum= GL_velocity= GL_initialAttenuation= GL_reserved2= GL_endloopAddrsCoarseOffset= GL_coarseTune= GL_fineTune= GL_sampleModes= GL_reserved3= GL_scaleTuning= GL_exclusiveClass= GL_overridingRootKey= GL_unused5=
So it lists all of the particular drums used in that particular drum kit. The text for one of the drums, say the Kick-YamahaEQ2 is this:
InstrumentName=Kick-YamahaEQ2
Sample=YamkickA2SEQ2ff2(L) Z_LowKey=36 Z_HighKey=36 Z_LowVelocity=111 Z_HighVelocity=127 Z_pan=65036
Z_Modulator=(NoteOnVelocity,ReverseDirection,Unipolar,Linear), initialFilterFc, 0, (NoteOnVelocity,ReverseDirection,Unipolar,Switch), 0
Sample=YamkickA2SEQ2ff2(R) Z_LowKey=36 Z_HighKey=36 Z_LowVelocity=111 Z_HighVelocity=127 Z_pan=500
Z_Modulator=(NoteOnVelocity,ReverseDirection,Unipolar,Linear), initialFilterFc, 0, (NoteOnVelocity,ReverseDirection,Unipolar,Switch), 0
Sample=YamkickA2SEQ2mf3(L) Z_LowKey=36 Z_HighKey=36 Z_LowVelocity=79 Z_HighVelocity=110 Z_pan=65036 Z_initialAttenuation=60
Z_Modulator=(NoteOnVelocity,ReverseDirection,Unipolar,Linear), initialFilterFc, 0, (NoteOnVelocity,ReverseDirection,Unipolar,Switch), 0
Sample=YamkickA2SEQ2mf3(R) Z_LowKey=36 Z_HighKey=36 Z_LowVelocity=79 Z_HighVelocity=110 Z_pan=500 Z_initialAttenuation=60
Z_Modulator=(NoteOnVelocity,ReverseDirection,Unipolar,Linear), initialFilterFc, 0, (NoteOnVelocity,ReverseDirection,Unipolar,Switch), 0
Sample=YamkickA2SEQ2mp2(L) Z_LowKey=36 Z_HighKey=36 Z_LowVelocity=60 Z_HighVelocity=78 Z_pan=65036 Z_initialAttenuation=140
Z_Modulator=(NoteOnVelocity,ReverseDirection,Unipolar,Linear), initialFilterFc, 0, (NoteOnVelocity,ReverseDirection,Unipolar,Switch), 0
Sample=YamkickA2SEQ2mp2(R) Z_LowKey=36 Z_HighKey=36 Z_LowVelocity=60 Z_HighVelocity=78 Z_pan=500 Z_initialAttenuation=140
Z_Modulator=(NoteOnVelocity,ReverseDirection,Unipolar,Linear), initialFilterFc, 0, (NoteOnVelocity,ReverseDirection,Unipolar,Switch), 0
Sample=YamkickA2SEQ2pp2(L) Z_LowKey=36 Z_HighKey=36 Z_LowVelocity=0 Z_HighVelocity=59 Z_pan=65036 Z_initialAttenuation=240
Z_Modulator=(NoteOnVelocity,ReverseDirection,Unipolar,Linear), initialFilterFc, 0, (NoteOnVelocity,ReverseDirection,Unipolar,Switch), 0
Sample=YamkickA2SEQ2pp2(R) Z_LowKey=36 Z_HighKey=36 Z_LowVelocity=0 Z_HighVelocity=59 Z_pan=500 Z_initialAttenuation=240
Z_Modulator=(NoteOnVelocity,ReverseDirection,Unipolar,Linear), initialFilterFc, 0, (NoteOnVelocity,ReverseDirection,Unipolar,Switch), 0
Sample=YamkickA2NSEQ2ff7(L) Z_LowKey=35 Z_HighKey=35 Z_LowVelocity=111 Z_HighVelocity=127 Z_pan=65036 Z_initialAttenuation=15
Sample=YamkickA2NSEQ2ff7(R) Z_LowKey=35 Z_HighKey=35 Z_LowVelocity=111 Z_HighVelocity=127 Z_pan=500 Z_initialAttenuation=15
Sample=YamkickA2NSEQ2mf2(L) Z_LowKey=35 Z_HighKey=35 Z_LowVelocity=79 Z_HighVelocity=110 Z_pan=65036 Z_initialAttenuation=60
Sample=YamkickA2NSEQ2mf2(R) Z_LowKey=35 Z_HighKey=35 Z_LowVelocity=79 Z_HighVelocity=110 Z_pan=500 Z_initialAttenuation=60
Sample=YamkickA2NSEQ2mp4(L) Z_LowKey=35 Z_HighKey=35 Z_LowVelocity=60 Z_HighVelocity=78 Z_pan=65036 Z_initialAttenuation=140
Sample=YamkickA2NSEQ2mp4(R) Z_LowKey=35 Z_HighKey=35 Z_LowVelocity=60 Z_HighVelocity=78 Z_pan=500 Z_initialAttenuation=140
Sample=YamkickA2NSEQ2pp3(L) Z_LowKey=35 Z_HighKey=35 Z_LowVelocity=0 Z_HighVelocity=59 Z_pan=65036 Z_initialAttenuation=240
Sample=YamkickA2NSEQ2pp3(R) Z_LowKey=35 Z_HighKey=35 Z_LowVelocity=0 Z_HighVelocity=59 Z_pan=500 Z_initialAttenuation=240
GlobalZone GZ_releaseVolEnv=5245 GZ_scaleTuning=0
It's giving the wav file for different velocities, and I'm assuming the (L) and (R) are referring to the different wavs for stereo, and there's some other information that I don't understand right now. So now on to the question of a VSTi drum plugin for playing these wav files. Which one do you recommend? Does it look like there's enough information in the above text to be able to piece together a kit from the WAV files?
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On a positive note I was able to get some success using the free Cakewalk SFZ VSTi soundfont player. It did play the drum samples without chopping off the ends. However the mix of the drums seemed "off" with the snare drum being way too far up in the mix. I might have to do some more searching around for some more general VSTi soundfont players that allows for mixing of each individual note. I haven't tried SFZ+ yet but that one seems to have more features
Hi Bobby again: I think your making a lot of work for yourself. The beauty of the sf2 was that all the parameters(the page & a half you listed) were already mapped and ready to play. I used soundfonts on my last computer with a creative audigy card. On this computer I have the free cakewalk sfz player and only use soundfonts now for a sketch pad. The problem you are having with the snare level may actually be the way sonic implants mixed the kit. The snare waves may need a volume cut. I would stick with the free sfz player since it works for you. I have no problem with it in realband. I think what you need is a "SOUNDFONT EDITOR" The editor that came with the creative card was called "Vienna". This editor would only work with a creative card. There is (or was) a free soundfont editor called "Viena". Try a search and see if it is still available. I think this is the road you should take instead of looking for the magic vst.
As far as your Toms not playing with an EZ Drummer file untill a re-load of the vst.. Check the EZ Drummer Mixer..or more info needed.
Another thought about your snare volume, again Iam using realband,but try..Edit>Change Velocities, then use the filter to change only one note(your snare). Bobby...
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I found this article which way explain part of my problem with the soundfont mix being off. Some of the attenuation settings in my 2.1 soundfont differ from modern soundfont standards and are being translated incorrectly: http://home.exetel.com.au/reimerorgans/ART/Attenuation_Settings.htmSo as an example, if the attenuation setting in the soundfont 2.1 format is 120 corresponding to -12 dB, what is really played in the original format is -5dB, and what sfz is playing is somewhere around -60dB, and if the setting in the soundfont 2.1 format is 10 corresponding to -1 dB, what is really played in the original format is -0.5dB, and what sfz is playing is somewhere around -5dB so, there's a HUGE disparity there in the sfz interpetation... the softer sounds are being rendered almost inaudible. I'm curious about a couple of things now. It there a VST out there that adheres to the Soundfont 2.1 standard to which this soundfont was written? I'm attempting to readjust the levels using an editor.
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You should be able to adjust the volume in an editor. You are on the the right track. One of the Vienna soundfont editors mentioned previously (by others) has this capability.
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Jazz, Funk & World (Sets 468-475):
Our new jazz, funk & blues RealTracks include a groovin’ collection of RealTracks and RealDrums! These include more requested “soul jazz” RealTracks featuring artists Neil Swainson (bass), Charles Treadway (organ), Brent Mason (guitar), and Wes Little (drums). There are new “smooth jazz” styles (4), which include a RealTracks first: muted trumpet, as well as slick new smooth jazz brushes options for drums. Blues lovers will be thrilled—there are more “classic acoustic blues” styles, including guitar (5), bass (4), and drums (10) with blues master Colin Linden, featuring understated and tasty background acoustic soloing, plus brushes drums and acoustic bass. There are also new electric blues RealTracks, including electric blues with PG favorite Johnny Hiland (3) and soulful electric slide guitar from Colin Linden (4). If you love funk & gospel, there are great new options this year, including gospel organ (3) from Charles Treadway, as well as new funk, tango, and rock ’n’ roll drums (3) and bass (1). And for big, bold arrangements, we have uptempo soul horns (4) featuring a three-part hip horn section with options for a full mix or stems of each individual horn — plus an accompanying rhythm section (4) of drums, bass, guitar, and electric piano!
Rock & Pop (Sets 476–482):
Our new rock & pop RealTracks bring a powerful mix of requested favorites, fresh genres, and modern chart-inspired styles! We have more of our popular “Producer Layered Acoustic Guitars (15)” featuring Band-in-a-Box favorite Brent Mason. We’ve continued our much-requested disco styles (10), and added new Celtic guitar (5) with a more basic, accessible approach than our previous Drop-D or DADGAD offerings. There are also highly requested yacht rock styles (17), inspired by the smooth, polished soft-rock sound of the late ’70s and early ’80s — laid-back grooves, silky electric pianos, warm textures, elegant harmonic movement, and pristine production aesthetics. Fans of heavier styles will love our new glam metal (13), capturing the flashy, high-energy sound of ’80s arena-ready guitar rock. We also have a set of rootsy modern-folk rock (18), with a warm, organic sound combining contemporary folk textures and driving acoustic strumming. And we’ve added lots of new modern pop styles (16) — the kinds of sounds you’re hearing on the radio today, featuring exciting new drums, synths, and cutting-edge RealTracks arrangements.
Country, & Americana (Sets 483–488):
Our new country & Americana RealTracks deliver a rich collection of acoustic, electric, and roots-inspired styles! We have new country pop (9) with legendary guitarist Brent Mason. There is also a potpourri (14) of bouzouki, guitars, banjo, and more, perfect for adding texture and character to contemporary acoustic arrangements. We’ve added funky country guitar (5) with PG favorite Brent Mason, along with classic pedal steel styles (5) featuring steel great Doug Jernigan. There are more country songwriter styles (8) that provide intimate, rootsy foundations for storytelling and modern Americana writing. Finally, we have “background soloing” acoustic guitar (12) with Brent Mason — simpler, but still very tasty acoustic lines designed to sit beautifully behind vocals or act as a subtle standalone solo part.
Check out all the 202 new RealTracks (in sets 468-488)!
And, if you are looking for more, the 2026 49-PAK (for $49) includes an impressive collection of 20 bonus RealTracks, featuring exciting and inspiring additions to add to your RealTracks library. You'll get new country-rhythm guitar styles from PG Music favorites Johnny Hiland and Brent Mason, along with modern-pop grooves that capture today’s radio-ready sound! There are also new indie-folk styles with guitar, bass, 6-string bass used as a high-chording instrument, acoustic guitar, and banjo. Plus, dedicated "cymbal fills" RealDrums provide an added layer that work very well with low-key folky styles with other percussion.
The 2026 49-PAK is loaded with other great new add-ons as well. Learn more about the 2026 49-PAK!
2026 Free Bonus PAK & 49-PAK for Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Mac®!
With your version 2026 for Mac Pro, MegaPAK, UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, Audiophile Edition or PlusPAK purchase, we'll include a Bonus PAK full of great new Add-ons for FREE! Or upgrade to the 2026 49-PAK for only $49 to receive even more NEW Add-ons including 20 additional RealTracks!
These PAKs are loaded with additional add-ons to supercharge your Band-in-a-Box®!
This Free Bonus PAK includes:
- The 2026 RealCombos Booster PAK:
-For Pro customers, this includes 27 new RealTracks and 23 new RealStyles.
-For MegaPAK customers, this includes 25 new RealTracks and 23 new RealStyles.
-For UltraPAK customers, this includes 12 new RealStyles.
- MIDI Styles Set 92: Look Ma! More MIDI 15: Latin Jazz
- MIDI SuperTracks Set 46: Piano & Organ
- Instrumental Studies Set 24: Groovin' Blues Soloing
- Artist Performance Set 19: Songs with Vocals 9
- Playable RealTracks Set 5
- RealDrums Stems Set 9: Cool Brushes
- SynthMaster Sounds Set 1 (with audio demos)
- iOS Android Band-in-a-Box® App
Looking for more great add-ons, then upgrade to the 2026 49-PAK for just $49 and you'll get:
- 20 Bonus Unreleased RealTracks and RealDrums with 20 RealStyle.
- FLAC Files (lossless audio files) for the 20 Bonus Unreleased RealTracks and RealDrums
- MIDI Styles Set 93: Look Ma! More MIDI 16: SynthMaster
- MIDI SuperTracks Set 47: More SynthMaster
- Instrumental Studies 25 - Soul Jazz Guitar Soloing
- Artist Performance Set 20: Songs with Vocals 10
- RealDrums Stems Set 10: Groovin' Sticks
- SynthMaster Sounds & Styles Set 2 (sounds & styles with audio demos)
Learn more about the Bonus PAK and 49-PAK for Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Mac®!
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