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I thought about asking this in Zero's thread but figured this is worth it's own discussion. I've been thinking about this because I really don't watch that much DirecTv anymore. I usually watch a lot of "old fart" stuff that a lot of us watch, live news and discussion, Discovery, Military, History, NatGeo, the occasional live pay per view UFC event, very few current live network shows with one big exception. Live sports like the Lakers. That I would have to go to a friends house which I do a lot of anyway or go to a local sports bar. For about $75/month I'm spending now I'm thinking why not do that? There's a lot of stuff online but I don't know all the choices for somebody who's thinking of cutting the cord to regular commercial TV. After reading in Zero's thread about getting a blu ray with wifi and streaming I'm thinking I could subscribe to various online services and get most of what I'm used to, it would be a whole lot less than $1,000 a year even though yeah, I would still be giving up some things that are just not available online. Thoughts and comments?
This is the same idea as me giving up my landline phone. I've had the same number for over 25 years but what does that mean, really? I haven't dumped it yet but I hardly ever use that either, it's all my cell.
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I can't be without my sports. I can't watch a game the day after knowing who won. I also watch woodworking, car building shows, cooking... I doubt if I have watched 10 movies in the last 10 years, so Netflix doesn't do it for me. I HAVE streaming stuff (Roku) but don't use it much.
Really, I rarely "watch" TV other than sports. It is on all the time but more as background noise.
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I have only 23 basic cable channels that come free with the complex ammeneties, everything else goes thru HULU and Netflix. I can live without sports, most of the new stuff is garbage as far as network programming, so I miss a few things I'd like to see, but I watch a lot of things I would have never seen had I not made the switch. Saved me about $75 per month and I'm glad I did it.
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Bob, my wife and I gave up our land line about 10 years ago and went 100% cellular....have never looked back or missed the land line for one minute. Had been with Spr**t voice only for all this time but have recently dropped them in favor of Str**ght T*lk that has an unlimited do everything plan for $45 a month. While Stra**ght T*lk is only 3G, its plenty fast for me and the reception is no different than Spr**t. As an added bonus, we now get unlimited talk, text, web, GPS etc for no more than the Spr**t line was costing us. Something to consider.
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I've paid for cable about 1 year in my 20 years of home ownership. And no, I'm not getting it for free. I just don't think there's that much worth watching. I COULD totally get into sports watching (I've watched tons more football with the HD over the air streaming into our 47" VIZIO) but in the end, I have alot of other interests that are worth more than watching TV.
People complain about being broke, but almost everyone I hear say that has a dish on their roof.
$75/month can pay for:
1. going out to eat at a decent restaurant a couple times a month
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2. Sponsoring 2-3 children at the charity of your choice
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3. A $900 guitar (with one year of savings) or axe of your choice.
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well you get the point.
I think cable and DirecTV are THE biggest money pit that the western world has sunk their clams into.
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We dropped television some time ago when we couldn't afford cable any longer. I never bothered to get an adapter for "free" television.
We still watch DVD and VHS, getting most of our movies from the local library. If there's a show we want to see, we can usually find it on line. It's actually a lot more convenient than recording it.
I don't really miss television, because plenty of other things to do.
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Jazmanimal,
Having had a phone line as long as you have, an alternative to getting rid of it entirely would be to incorporate it as a second line on your cell account. Reason is, you don't know who from your past might have that number and suddenly decide they want to contact you. Just a thought.
The thought was prompted by my mother's having given up a number she had had for over 40 years, probably because she didn't know it was portable. As interested as she is in genealogy and acquaintances I was disappointed for her to see her lose the old number.
As far as the OP, cable is supplied where I live along with internet. I literally can't live without high-speed 'Net; I work from home and it's all online. That's apart from what I do for fun or avocationally, but I spend nearly as much time online pursuing my own interests as I do at work. I do love my TV but I'd probably be better off without it. I'm not sure what I'd do if I had to pay for it on my own. Prolly just a matter of whether I could afford it or not.
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In South Africa we also have relatively low speeds, i can squeese 2.8mb/s out of my ADSL but thats that ....
Not enough to do even stable youtube viewing ...
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I used to care, but things have changed (Bob Dylan)
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I'm too much of a commercial TV viewer to drop it entirely, what I'm looking for are suggestions as to online replacements and the cost. I know Hulu has a lot of stuff, I've used it a few times to view a replay of a certain show that was broadcast a month or so back but not every network allows Hulu to do that. I was looking for a past episode of Falling Skys and I had to go to the TNT website and log in with my DirecTV account number to pull it up so there's an example of a network controlling their show. Netflix has a lot of movies and apparantly some TV series as well, I'm wondering how well that works.
I know by giving up a commercial cable or sat service I would be losing some things and that's it, it just depends on how much and what I may be able to replace it with. I know that eventually most series become available even if it's a year later. That's ok I don't need to watch everything first run. Later is fine.
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Here's where we are, Bob. We still have Dish. I would love to get rid of it, but my wife has come cable channels that she wants so..... I watch the old f--t stuff, too. We buy a lot of stuff from amazon and are Prime members for $79 a year. We love the 2-day free shipping. As part of prime, we get the free streaming movies and tv shows. We watch them via Roku ($50 for the box--hooks into your tv) We watch more old tv shows than movies. It's really nice to watch those show with no commercials. Sometimes we watch a paid movie that hss recently come out, such as "Iron Lady." Even at $3.99 (price varies up from $1.99), it's a bargain to me since going to the regular theater costs a lot more and I don't like the sound that loud there.
We also have our phone on wifi now via obi110, cost = $50 for unit. No monthly cost at all. In summary, our only cost for tv and phones is our dsl via att. We do prepaid for our cell phones which we only use when we are gone. YMMV
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Hello Jazzmammal  I have been using the blue ray job LG BP620 for two days now and although I get smart TV I don't feel any smarter ...yet. Is smart TV an oxymoron? or is it just moronic? I am not sure. I have given up both my landline phone and my TV box a year or so ago and feel the better for it though. Over in the UK we have a site called http://www.tvcatchup.com/. There are probably other similar sites too in your parts. My studio is at the bottom of my garden and I have an external TV ariel (must have) I simply rigged to a pole and attched to the outer wall. Using this ariel I purchased a hauppage tv stick: # http://www.hauppauge.co.uk/site/products/data_novatstick.htmlstick This works well too. This way I have all 'freeview' channels (30 or so out of which ten are good) on my PC in my studio and I have things like UTube on my TV in the house too using the LG. For an extra $10 you can get a software update for the hauppage which will stream all your TV channels to all your devices, including phones via your WIFI. I haven't done this yet. Do I want this? Ah this is the question! Answer: not really Yesterday I tried weatching some David Attenborough (aside did you know that David Attenbourogh has no teeth and no detures - just like me) BBC vids on Utube on one of the 'channels' I recommend you get to know what a channel is if you dont already. I found that really in this specific case they were just clips. I switched to Utube's Discovery News and found this was entertaining and mildly informative. I could have surfed the channels for days and days and days - this, is an issue in itself! Sport seems to be a special case on this terrsetial planet. Over in the UK you almost MUST have a SKY subscription to watch the Premiership. You can get the occasional Footbal game on TV but it's something of a rarity. Other sports such as Morris Dancing are more freely available. You can even participate if you wish. Anyway - my solution gives you TV in your internet time and Internet on my TV time, now... if only I could also change my habits... Now back to BIAB where I spend at least four hours a day Zero
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Everybody who uses any kind of online streaming, please answer this simple question, because I don't know the answer. Is there ANY streaming content that is shown in real time or is everything delayed? For my tastes I couldn't hang with watching a sporting event knowing who won before I watched it. And places like Crackle that run syndicated TV but only change the 10 posted episodes every 60 days... I mean, I loved Seinfeld but I can only watch "The Contest" so many times.
I changed from Time Warner cable to DirecTv JUST for NFL network, so that gives you an idea of how much I enjoy watching overpaid illiterates run with an oblong ball....
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Eddie - here, when watching tv news on the TV then watching streaming on a laptop there is a delay of about two seconds. Not sure if this is universal
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Oh no, Zero, not what I meant. What I mean is when the World Series is on, is there a place on the Internet to watch the games as they happen or do the streaming services carry them on a one day delay, or even at all? From what I know of Hulu and Roku none of the content is new. It's all old shows in syndication. And that's great if that's what you want to watch. For me that would be watching just anything on TV just to be watching something on TV. I use my Roku for stuff like techie podcasts, stand up clips.... basically anything that is not on "real" TV.....
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In the UK, Eddie, the only thing which is streamed "live" over the net is the news. Some content is available on catch-up for a limited time from the following day, but copyright issues stop programs such as films from getting onto this service.
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See Eddie, I just learned something, I've never heard of Crackle but it looks interesting too. I saw the promo pic for an old movie called Hardbodies. That's a pretty funny movie that was shot about 5 blocks from me on the Strand in Hermosa Beach maybe 20 years ago.
As to big league sports, yes that's the biggie that is not and probably never will be available in real time online for free. I used to be a big Rams fan but then they moved to St. Louis and I followed them for a while when Kurt Warner was winning those Super Bowls but I've dropped them since and I no longer follow football. Now I'm a big Lakers fan and they just signed a 20 year 1 BILLION deal with Time Warner. The Lakers have been broadcast live on over the air TV locally for years and could be picked up with an antenna. No more. Good luck on them being online any time soon. If I give up all commercial sat/cable I'll have to watch the games at a friends place or a sports bar.
I've been doing a lot of reading about this lately. The sat/cable companies know they're coming under pressure from people just like me and are trying desperatly to get some locked in exclusive stuff that is only available through them and sports is at the top of the list. The question is is it worth the minimum basic package that's still about $65/month or so? I'm beginning to doubt it, there's sports bars all over the place here. I am a fan but I'm not fanatic about it.
Now I see that virtually any premium show that's on HBO, Showtime etc is available online from Amazon for about $20-24 for an entire season. To get those with DirecTV you have to pay extra for those channels and that ups the bill to about $140 a month. It's worth it to buy a complete season of 2 or 3 shows. Of course if I were a hard core viewer watching every series out there, then no it wouldn't be worth it to buy all those shows separately but I'm not, too busy with my music among other things.
Keep the suggestions coming.
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Everybody who uses any kind of online streaming, please answer this simple question, because I don't know the answer. Is there ANY streaming content that is shown in real time or is everything delayed?
Just watched the Brewers play the Pirates on MLB.TV live, no delay.
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We got rid of our television five or six years ago and have never looked back. There are still plenty of distractions to be found.
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That's cool, but...read this from the MLB.TV website:
If a game is blacked out in an area, it is not available for live game viewing. If you are an MLB.TV Premium subscriber and not within either Club's home television territory, the applicable game will be available as an archived game as soon as possible after the conclusion of the game. If you are an MLB.TV Premium subscriber within either Club's home television territory or an MLB.TV subscriber in any territory, the applicable game will be available as an archived game approximately 90 minutes after the conclusion of the game.
90 minutes isn't too bad from my point of view, I'll record games to watch later that evening anyway and I usually don't hear who won. It appears the NBA doesn't have a similar system, you have to buy the League Pass for a minimum of $120 and you can watch 4 teams. Against $1,000 a year even that may be worth it, I would just have to really keep track of these different services, I can see it can easily start to creep up to the same money if I wasn't careful.
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Wow, I had no idea more folks have been thinking about this. My family stopped the bleeding in my wallet 9 years ago when satellite was a whopping $35 a month! It was too much then and too much now. I told them if they would do an al a cart I would still pay the $35 a month for the five channels we actually watch versus the 200 we did not.
Because of moral convictions, I could not support giving my money to channels I did not agree with their programming. Sure, you can block those channels. But, it does not stop their revenue how little it may have been.
Anyway, now we have come to al a cart where the programs my family watch on all over the internet for free! We love the classics! The stuff nobody else watches basically.
So, we are 9 years strong and still going! Based on some people comments of what they pay, the savings add up to a nice used car!
A friend mine several years back had MLB.com. He told me then that you could watch the archive games for free.
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Introducing XPro Styles PAK 10 – Now Available for Mac Band-in-a-Box 2025 and Higher!
We've just released XPro Styles PAK 10 for Mac & Windows Band-in-a-Box version 2025 (and higher) with 100 brand new RealStyles, plus 28 RealTracks and RealDrums!
Few things are certain in life: death, taxes, and a brand spankin’ new XPro Styles PAK! In this, the 10th edition of our XPro Styles PAK series, we’ve got 100 styles coming your way! We have the classic 25 styles each from the rock & pop, jazz, and country genres, and rounding out this volume's wildcard slot is 25 styles in the Praise & Worship genre! A wide spanning genre, you can find everything from rock, folk, country, and more underneath its umbrella. The included 28 RealTracks and RealDrums can be used with any Band-in-a-Box® 2026 (and higher) package.
Here’s just a small sampling of what you can look forward to in XPro Styles PAK 10: Soft indie folk worship songs, bumpin’ country boogies, gospel praise breaks, hard rockin’ pop, funky disco grooves, smooth Latin jazz pop, bossa nova fusion, western swing, alternative hip-hop, cool country funk, and much more!
Special offers until December 31st, 2025!
All the XPro Styles PAKs 1 - 10 are on sale for only $29 ea (Reg. $49 ea), or get them all in the XPro Styles PAK Bundle for only $149 (reg. $299)! Order now!
Learn more and listen to demos of XPro Styles PAKs.
Video: XPro Styles PAK 10 Overview & Styles Demos: Watch now!
XPro Styles PAKs require Band-in-a-Box® 2025 or higher and are compatible with ANY package, including the Pro, MegaPAK, UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, and Audiophile Edition.
Introducing Xtra Styles PAK 21 – Now Available for Mac Band-in-a-Box 2025 and Higher!
Xtra Styles PAK 21 for Mac & Windows Band-in-a-Box version 2025 (and higher) is here with 200 brand new RealStyles!
We're excited to bring you our latest Xtra Styles PAK installment—the all new Xtra Styles PAK 21 for Band-in-a-Box version 2025 (and higher)!
Rejoice, one and all, for Xtra Styles PAK 21 for Band-in-a-Box® is here! We’re serving up 200 brand spankin’ new styles to delight your musical taste buds! The first three courses are the classics you’ve come to know and love, including offerings from the rock & pop, jazz, and country genres, but, not to be outdone, this year’s fourth course is bro country! A wide ranging genre, you can find everything from hip-hop, uptempo outlaw country, hard hitting rock, funk, and even electronica, all with that familiar bro country flair. The dinner bell has been rung, pickup up Xtra Styles PAK 21 today!
In this PAK you’ll discover: Energetic folk rock, raucous train beats, fast country boogies, acid jazz grooves, laid-back funky jams, a bevy of breezy jazz waltzes, calm electro funk, indie synth pop, industrial synth metal, and more bro country than could possibly fit in the back of a pickup truck!
Special offers until December 31st, 2025!
All the Xtra Styles PAKs 1 - 21 are on special for only $29 each (reg $49), or get all 21 PAKs for $199 (reg $399)! Order now!
Learn more and listen to demos of the Xtra Styles PAK 21.
Video: Xtra Styles PAK 21 Overview & Styles Demos: Watch now!
Note: The Xtra Styles require the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition of Band-in-a-Box®. (Xtra Styles PAK 21 requires the 2025 or higher UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition. They will not work with the Pro or MegaPAK version because they need the RealTracks from the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition.
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