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hi eddie great job everyone loved it thanks for sharing eric
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first thing I noticed was all the reverb on the lead vocal. probably not the first thing you wanted a listener to notice. personally, I HATE getting this kind of feedback after I complete a mix but usually, if I give it serious consideration, I end up improving my mix. if it was me I would try a mix with the lead vocal mostly dry, at least on the first verse when we are initially being introduced to the singer.
but that is just my opinion. I am still new at all this!
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I listened to this last week through speakers, and thought it sounded great, but the reverb made it unintelligible... for me. But in headphones, it's clear. At 2:16, on the word "and I'll simply need to tell you", there's something (perhaps pitch correction?) on the vocal that jumps out. From 2:24 to 2:30 the vocal has a similar "fuzzy" electronic effect, but with the layered vocal it doesn't come out as much. Everything else in the mix seems well seated and smooth. Other than that, very solid and nicely done. 
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I don't know how she sang it, but the lyric was written "and I simply need to tell you". So maybe you are hearing "I'LL" and it is really "I". And I can't help but wonder if it is because she is British and has (to our American ears) an accent?
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Hi David. Thanks again for the comments.
As I said earlier in the thread, back in the days when I did this for a living, it was hard to produce a mix about which even the band members could agree, so I always expect some conflict between opinions and in this case most of seems to center around the reverb. (In actual fact it's a delay on the vox.) If you listen to each of the instruments in the mix, you'll hear a lot of reverb on everything - the piano, the tambourine, the lead guitar and of course the big snare. This is unashamedly an 80s mix! With all that going on, unless the vox has the same treatment it sounds like it's in a different environment.
Now, some people can hear the words and some can't and I think some of this is down to individual hearing, the listening room, headphones, speakers and many other factors. In the final analysis, I may have sacrificed some intelligibility in favor the general effect.
Your point about the vox at 2.16 and the following section up to 2.30 - at 2.16 a low harmony comes in and there's possibly a few milliseconds sync between that and the main vox which smears the word "I". The harmony is mixed in very low because it's really out of Jessie's comfort range which means her voice takes on a more husky quality, which I think is the effect you are hearing. I didn't think anyone would spot this, but you obviously analyse things in minute detail!
The only other thing is that there are artifacts in the track which I can hear, which are not on the master and they are the product of Soundcloud's compressed format and internet streaming. This is the price we pay for the convenience of the technology.
Once again, thanks for taking the time to listen in so much detail - all comments are most welcome.
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You know, if you didn't have so much of that darned clarity in your mix, I wouldn't be able to hear this sort of detail in the first place. The only reason I noticed was because it wasn't there in the rest of the mix.  And thanks for clarifying about the delay as well. Reverb is my "go to" for this sort of effect, but I need to start broadening my horizons. I've read that delay will generally give you more clarity, but haven t really played around with it.
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Eddie, Rog, Jesse,
Excellent song performance and production. You really got a great collaboration going.
Good comment string also. Lots of good points and valid opinions.
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I like how light the lyrics sounded not so dramatic. I can clearly understand the lyrics and the arrangement was fabulous. Great work Eddie!
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Eddie and ROG,
Good job! Eddie, I really like the song. Well written, and catchy. And well produced. I agree about the reverb/delay being just a tad too much for my personal preference. But it didn't ruin the listen for me.
Thanks for sharing!
Steve
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Rog,
I'm weighing in favorably on the 80's mix/reverb issue. To me, this is less a "right way wrong way" thing than it is a genre decision.
Just as the "right way" to fingerpick a classical piece is different than the "right way" to fingerpick a song in another style, or the right way to play like Hendrix is different than the right way to play like Hank Garland.. the right way to add effects to an 80s mix is different than the right way to add effects to other genres.
You set out with a specific sound you wanted to achieve, and you nailed it. Good job! I really like the highly processed sound that is the trademark of pop music from the 80s. Wet mixes are as characteristic of 80s music as the shark fins were characteristic of American cars built in the 50's. Nobody buys a 1957 Chevy then removes the fins! Thats what makes it what it is!
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Wet mixes are as characteristic of 80s music as the shark fins were characteristic of American cars built in the 50's. Nobody buys a 1957 Chevy then removes the fins!
Funny you should say that, Pat. Not only am I a fan of 80s Rock Ballads, but I've always wanted to own a 57 Chevy! A friend had an old Chrysler back in the 70s and that's what started my interest in American cars. Problem was, I seem to remember, that on a full tank it would just about make it between gas stations.
Thanks for the nice comments.
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Well, when that car came out, gas was like a quarter a gallon.....
Isn't "petrol" so expensive in Jolly Olde that you need a mortgage to fill the tank?
This has always been my favorite way to find out how old people are. I ask them the cheapest price they ever paid for gas. My answer is 37 cents in 1967 when I started driving. That's why I had to laugh when I saw blog posts rejoicing about gas edging below $3 a gallon this week. Somewhere my dad is spinning in his grave at a rather high RPM at the thought of gas ever reaching $4 a gallon.
But ON topic, the use of any effect is going to be personal and often generational. I only need think back to comments made from the same song thread where comment 1 said there was too much reverb (when there was NONE) and the next comment said it was too dry and needed reverb.
Very personal preference.
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Isn't "petrol" so expensive in Jolly Olde that you need a mortgage to fill the tank?
Would you believe £6 per gallon. (approx $9.60)
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