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Hi Dan, If you have 2013 installed with SampleTank, all that you need to do is to unzip the file you download and copy the folder that contains the instruments to ... C:\Program Files\IK Multimedia\Instruments... no additional registration is necessary. Next time you start up BIAB and load in SampleTank, all the sounds will then be there. For what it's worth, I've noticed that BIAB now takes about 30 secs to load up rather than 15 secs, but that might be a disk fragmenting thing that I haven't yet checked out. Equally, it could be that there's more information to read in now because of what I've added to SampleTank. At the end of the day, though, 30 seconds is not a big deal for me. Each of the sale packages are around 1 GB big (some slightly more, some slightly less). In the end, I purchased the following packages. (Since each package is normally $49, I got 5 for the price of 1!)  Hope this helps! Happy New Year  Noel
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Thank you Noel - That will do it for me.
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I don't know the details yet but the reason Biab is taking longer to load is ST has to load all the sounds at the same time. I read something about this on the IKM forum and they talked about a way to only have ST see whatever library you want it to use. If it's Omnisynth then you only set up that one and all the others are not seen at start up. In my case I have tons of ST stuff including the Sonic Synth that has over 4000 patches. Right now everything is being seen so it takes maybe a minute for the plugin window to open.
This is the price if we're going to use a full sample based synth like ST instead of a much smaller sampleset in something like Forte. Better sound requires bigger samples unless you're using a modelling synth but that's a whole different story.
Dan you're comment about PG should only include a synth that is fully compatible with Biab sounds nice but there's absolutely nothing available that's free or close to it. Note they have to charge $40 for the Forte and they have others available too at a cost. Sampletank itself is free and PG did a very clever thing in creating the Hi-Q sounds to go with it. They are free with the new 2013 version. If you're just using those sounds and not other ST libraries then you do not have to set up anything. After ST is installed and configured you can then use your Forte as the default synth if you want but you can also right click on any instrument in the Biab menu and select a Hi-Q patch and it plays automatically. Not quite nobrainer simple like a regular GM synth but pretty simple all the same. Most of us think those patches are better than the Forte or other basic GM synths and if you don't want to mess with loading other ST sounds then just stick with those. I don't know for sure but you would think PG will probably come up with more Hi-Q patches later.
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Thanks to all for the info on this. I have just bought the expansion pak for $10, well £6.39 in sterling.
I don't have biab 2013 just the ultra pak 2012 but as I understand will still be able to use it once I install sampletank free and the bought £10 pak.
Thanks to all again for the work you are doing in getting it to work well with biab.
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Dan you're comment about PG should only include a synth that is fully compatible with Biab sounds nice but there's absolutely nothing available that's free or close to it.
That wasn't me, Bob. I think you are referencing maiki. So many posts hard to keep everyone straight. 
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Oh, sorry. Maybe I'll stop putting a name in there and just post my comment.
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PG did a very clever thing in creating the Hi-Q sounds to go with it.
I was wondering if the Hi-Q sounds where a PGM creation or just add-on pack, since i did not see any info on this. Is it on the site somewhere and I just missed it?
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of what I've added to SampleTank. At the end of the day, though, 30 seconds is not a big deal for me.
Each of the sale packages are around 1 GB big (some slightly more, some slightly less). In the end, I purchased the following packages. (Since each package is normally $49, I got 5 for the price of 1!)
Hope this helps! Happy New Year
Noel
Yea I've been debating pulling trigger (I already have racks, and keyboard stands full of some excellent external synths all fully populated) and a lot of soft synths (I find SS's tedious to use sometimes) but finally decided to pull trigger on four (strings, cinematic, and world) including their GM Omnisynth2 pack - might go back later today and get basses and guitars if I like this $40 worth (price is right)
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Noel,
This is the tedious part of soft synths to which I referred.
I've loaded the Omnisynth2 into the ST directory (Sampletank 2 sees it) and I can select instruments and play them (actually pretty good GM set so far) but I can't figure out how to get BIAB to USE this GM set as a GM set?
I still have to select each instrument/patch one at a time (unlike point and click to Forte or an external GM module).
I only ask because I think you may have already figured it out - any hints here appreciated
Larry
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PG did a very clever thing in creating the Hi-Q sounds to go with it.
I was wondering if the Hi-Q sounds where a PGM creation or just add-on pack, since i did not see any info on this. Is it on the site somewhere and I just missed it?
Peter said in another thread that Blake from PG Music did the Acoustic Bass patches.
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Hi Larry, Here's a thread that explains what to do. ... how to set up OmniSynth for General MidiScroll down to a post from Jim111, he explains it. It sounds quite a bit more complicated that it actually turns out to be. Essentially, if you navigate to C:\Program Files\IK Multimedia\Instruments\OmniSynth 2, you'll find a folder called "GM Prog Chng Bank". This folder contains the midi maps for general midi. Jim suggests copying these to x:\bb as it makes them easier to find because one of the maps needs to be loaded each time BIAB is started. To load a map ... 1. Click on the VSTi button. (If you cannot see this displayed, click on the >> to the right of the yellow cross to view icons that are not on the menu bar.)  2. Click on "Load Default Synth" (1); the dropdown sythn menu (2); select SampleTank (3).  3. When SampleTank loads, click on "Program CH" (1) and then select "Open Map" (2).  4. Now navigate to the map files at C:\Program Files\IK Multimedia\Instruments\OmniSynth 2 and select either one of the STMP files. (It's definitely easier to fine the files if they are copied to x:\bb.)  That's it. Open one of the midi-only styles in BIAB and double-check that SampleTank is indeed now operating as a GM synth. All the best, Noel
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Very helpful. Jimm111 refers to loading 'SRGM KIT O1 DRY' in channel 10 of sample tank. Can't find a file by this name, know what this is? Thx for all!
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Hi Ron, I've just posted these instructions under the "Tips and Tricks" forum. If you go there via the following link ... ... link to article in "Tips and Tricks"... scroll down to points 5 and 6 and it will tell you how to set-up midi drums. All the best, Noel
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This works great, THANKS! ST is still crashing BiaB for me but that's another post...
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Thanks! I JUST read that OLDER post but this helps everybody and bumps this info to "top" now.
DC Ron
Just a suggestion after my many hours playing with ST and BIAB today - try loading the actual VSTi and NOT the DXi (wherever the " SampleTank2.x.dll " was placed when you installed Sample Tank (I keep all my VSTi's on a different drive and subdirectory than C:)
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Larry, appreciate the tip on selecting ST as VSTi and not DXi. Don't know how I originally dorked that up but I did. Anyway it's fixed now and perfectly stable. THANKS and happy new year!
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DC Ron - Glad I could actually help someone for once.
You didn't dork anything up, the DXi does (and should) work on my machine but isn’t the most stable thing, and I crashed out of BIAB more than a few times playing with ST and Omnisynth until I tired the VSTi version.
Especially problematic when you load the Omnisynth2 GM bank "script."
FYSA to whomever wants to run down this rabbit hole the "script or patch list" (whatever you want to call the STMP file) is just a simple but complete 001-128 listing of 128 OmniSynth GM .stip files but mapped so that patch select 1 maps to ST 0; patch 2 to ST 1, … 128 to 127 (looks like zero based patch select) .
So if the script (STMP) is loaded then as soon as you hit play, and BIAB tries to send the initial patch list to ST, the whole thing freezes (BIAB, ST). Again ONLY the DXi does this (on both a WIN 7 64 bit and Win XP 32 bit machine).
The error is "Access violation in Sampletank2.x.vpa …." And since the VSTi works and I'm done chasing this DXi down its particular rabbit hole.
Larry
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Crap, I need more midi sounds like I need a hole in the head. When do you have too many? Answer: When you no longer know how many you have! Thats where I am at. When it comes to BIAB Coyote Forte is completely satifactory. The sounds have always been the best available and it works seamlessly in BIAB - no adjustments needed.
So now this comes along. And for days I stare at it. And I see all the problems folks are having (it needs to be configured each time?). But even still I am drawn like a Mouth to the flame. What is it about these things? I know it will only cause me distress but wait, you say it sounds good? better than Coyote Forte? and it only costs $10? and the sale is over tomorrow? Here I go again. But tell me one more bit of info to push me over the edge.
Will I be able to run it on my laptop and desktop? or will the registration and security prevent this? Becareful how you answer, as my fate is in your hands.
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Dan I feel for you. I have this real issue with BIAB I always end up playing the piano instead of tweaking.
I would say more but I would not want to put my foot in my Moth .
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Got me there.  But it is up and running and it does not appear to need to be configured each time. Once I set the Default Synth to ST and load the Midi map. Then close program and reopen, it is still there - thats a good thing.
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......You didn't dork anything up, the DXi does (and should) work on my machine but isn’t the most stable thing, and I crashed out of BIAB more than a few times playing with ST and Omnisynth until I tired the VSTi version.
Especially problematic when you load the Omnisynth2 GM bank "script."
FYSA to whomever wants to run down this rabbit hole the "script or patch list" (whatever you want to call the STMP file) is just a simple but complete 001-128 listing of 128 OmniSynth GM .stip files but mapped so that patch select 1 maps to ST 0; patch 2 to ST 1, … 128 to 127 (looks like zero based patch select) .
So if the script (STMP) is loaded then as soon as you hit play, and BIAB tries to send the initial patch list to ST, the whole thing freezes (BIAB, ST). Again ONLY the DXi does this (on both a WIN 7 64 bit and Win XP 32 bit machine).
The error is "Access violation in Sampletank2.x.vpa …." And since the VSTi works and I'm done chasing this DXi down its particular rabbit hole.........
Exactly my experience!! DXi unstable here in same way, but the VSTi is stable. I chose to have both the DXi and the VSTi installed during initial setup, and assume the BB installer automatically put the DXi into the VST interface dropdown. I certainly didn't. Anyone know if it's safe to "unregister" the DXi from the BB interface?
BTW, many thanks to Noel or whoever posted about the Omnisynth deal. Much appreciated.
FWIW, some additional observations. You can set up a combo in the ST interface, including one of the Omnisynth drum kits, and save as preset. The combo can be comprised of patches from all ST libraries, regardless of which patch map, if any, is loaded. But the preset won't save the patch map. Also, in the BB midi options, there's no harm in enabling GM2 (as opposed to GM). Since there's no bank select in ST, choosing a higher bank sound simply sends the program change for the GM bank - ie. no error or freezeup.
I notice that selecting a HiQ for a BB voice places that patch in the corresponding ST slot for that voice (not the default), but without benefit of a patch map being loaded. It's as if there's a separate instance of ST loaded for the track, and BB somehow knows how to get the patch loaded without needing the .stmp map. So there may be some untapped power in the BB presets (.tgs files) in terms of flexibility on choosing ST instruments even without a map.
Happy New Year to all -Ron
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