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Wow, that was a close one. I thought we were about to fall off the fiscal cliff or grab the third rail or the end of the times was upon us. But you guys showed great restraint and maturity. Good for you.  hehe Now has the who's DAW is bigger question been finally answered. 
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Eddie, you sound like the IT guys I used to work with, "Why should we switch from VisiCalc to Lotus 123; they both add and subtract numbers just fine" and "Why should we switch from green-screen monitors to CGA; we just wanna type memos and stuff" and "Why should we switch from Lotus 123 to Excel; they both add and subtract numbers just fine"  A tool is just a tool and if it works for you...fine! I have no interest in convincing you or anyone else to use, or not to use RealBand. I tried it. I didn't like it very much. As I said before I believe there are much better DAWs out there and Reaper is currently my DAW of choice. And because I have BIAB I don't need a DAW that works with RealTracks.
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Wow, that was a close one. I thought we were about to fall off the fiscal cliff or grab the third rail or the end of the times was upon us. But you guys showed great restraint and maturity. Good for you. hehe
Now has the who's DAW is bigger question been finally answered.
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We know it runs here:  But will it run here:  Disclaimer: The above images are only of fictictional characters and any resemblance to real life forum members is purely coincidental. hehe
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Eddie, you sound like the IT guys I used to work with, "Why should we switch from VisiCalc to Lotus 123; they both add and subtract numbers just fine" and "Why should we switch from green-screen monitors to CGA; we just wanna type memos and stuff" and "Why should we switch from Lotus 123 to Excel; they both add and subtract numbers just fine"
I am actually in somewhat of that school. When you consider the global effects on a corporate network, is there really a reason to change to a new version of anything just because it's a new version? A new version because that evil, soulless corporation that is Micro$oft puts out new versions just to make more money from companies who will not see a benefit?
My company, in June, upgraded to Micro$oft Exchange Server 10. Since then, connections drop and immediately reconnect, the Admins who need to book conference rooms call us non stop because suddenly the rooms are showing up as restricted or not showing up at all, and shared mailboxes vanish or become corrupt. Help desk calls for Exchange issues have increased by about 30%. I have yet to get an answer why they upgraded other than "We want the latest version".
But I digress.
Though, not really. There is a parallel but it still comes down to preference. Stuff like green screen monitors, though I know you were making a point, were safety related, as those CRT screens caused eye problems, emitted cathode rays, and burned out to a point where it was cheaper to replace.
Nobody is saying to stay in the stone age (I never recorded at Bedrock Studios). When the DAW thing started, my question is why you use RB at all if you are going to play your parts in anyway. I don't even know what you guys mean by "tempo matching", though I know what each of those words means. I don't know how it applies. I thought you were supposed to play in tempo and that's how you "matched". Having never used the feature, please do teach me about what that is. My mind is thinking "you pull in a drum loop or a clip of some kind and hit a button and it adjusts it automatically to the tempo of the song", which is available with a right click in RB but called (I think - I am not at that computer) tempo stretching. I use it a lot to line up BGV tracks.
But this cabbage has been chewed enough and it's time to bow out of this one. My life doesn't change with regard to who uses what software, so whatever.
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Wow, that was a close one. I thought we were about to fall off the fiscal cliff or grab the third rail or the end of the times was upon us. But you guys showed great restraint and maturity. Good for you. hehe
Now has the who's DAW is bigger question been finally answered.
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In my reply I used the term Tempo Matching" to mean the ability to Match the Delay / Tremolo / Chorus timing to the BPM of the track I want to apply the effect to, that's all I meant...
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Sheesh ... now I feel compelled to take an even closer look at RB!!!! You guys scare me, especially Eddie! LOL!
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Hi All,
first my applogies up front.... I dont think in my entire life have I ever been more angry and frustrated. I am so tired of pissing away good money after bad.... I am an old shcool musician,, a simple Sax Player... I play pro, etc... tour,,,, bla bla bla.... Im not up to speed on any of these supposed music apps, arranging etc... out there.... I have BITB, and all of PG software apps, updates, etc.... and none of it I can get to work or deal with.... Its easier for me to sit at a piano, draw and create my own music paper from scratch,,, and I mean draw the five staff lines,,,, by hand,,, and plink out the arrangments using a broken pencil, with no lead inside, snowing, with sunami's coming inland, when the moon and venus line up with sagitarius..... get what I mean?...
I am in the process of re-gearing my pro audio setup,,, I have 4 PA Cabs, 4 Sub Cabs, amps for them, 12 mics, in ear monitors, for playing live sound and gigs,,,
All I want to do is to create my arrnagments, with the proper sampled instrument sounds that I arrange to, with my playing sax,,, to my audience,,, and this seems impossible... no one can tell me the follsoing and why.
1. sound card for laptop
2. why do I need a workstation for intruments when I have already purchased them from PG music?
3. Why cant I play and do all this throgh my laptop?
4. why do I need to buy a seperate eq to mix and playback?
5. why do I need a workstation to play thourhg?,,
6. why do I need, to buy cakewalk now? arent these a competitor of PG music? why dont they fix thier sh*t?
7. Why do I need to piece together all this damn software, purhase more hardware for sampled intruments that I have already purchased from PG music?
8. why is this so hard? do any of these people think? or is music arranged and playbacked differently from overseas offshoring support and develoipment?
I hate PG Music,, they have been no help to me at all in answering any of these simple questions.... I can arrange and record faster with an old Peavey 8 channel mixer than I can dealing with PG music constant BS and lack of quality.... f*in losers....
So,,, to the Forum... I beg your forgivness and ask for your understanding....and Ideas... but I want a solution that is through my laptop for everything,,, I dont want to keep having to purchase more hardware, for the same stuff I have in software... does this make sense... another issue is i dont what to have a physical mixing board, to play back live sound... hell, isnt this why we have PC's? we shouuld be mixing and playing everything back throgh a PC... why am I the only one who thinks this way?,,, I am a one man show...I dont need some engineer in the back mixing for me... why cant I do all this throgh my laptop? why doesnt PG music have any setup examples anywhere on thier site for live sound performances. WHY? if they did this one thing it would solve and help so many idiots like me.
The only thing I can think of is two reasons,,,, Thier legends in thier own minds? Cant get thier heads out? Fail to Plan, Plan to fail?, Building airplanes in the air?, or its all offshore support issues? and music is considered mystical and taboo overseas?
again,,, I appologize for my rant... but I cant be the only person who is beyond frustrated with people who are telling us to purchase thier competitors applications.... WTF?
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1. sound card for laptop ( You can use the one it came with for play back no problem)
2. why do I need a workstation for intruments when I have already purchased them from PG music? (You don't need one it came free >RealBand)
3. Why cant I play and do all this throgh my laptop? (You Can!)
4. why do I need to buy a seperate eq to mix and playback? (They come with RealBand)
5. why do I need a workstation to play thourhg?,,No need, make a CD of your finished track and play to that at your Gig!
6. why do I need, to buy cakewalk now? arent these a competitor of PG music? why dont they fix thier sh*t? (You don't need it that's what RealBand is! Some people just like a certain brand and use them. There are people who use only PG products and still sound as good as those who use other brands.)
7. Why do I need to piece together all this damn software, purhase more hardware for sampled intruments that I have already purchased from PG music? (No need to purchase anything else, but there is a learning curve for software!)
8. why is this so hard? do any of these people think? or is music arranged and playbacked differently from overseas offshoring support and develoipment? (PG programs are very easy compared to many others, it still takes time to learn. I think many people just entering recording with software are as frustrated as you. Ask a question in the forum of the product you are using and you will get answers.)
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Becareful of feeding the trools. This is not his first post.
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Now again I ask, what is it that some other DAW does that RB doesn't outside of it being the one you are familiar with and PREFER to use? And when your answer is ___________________, then please tell me if that DAW program will generate drums, bass, piano, rhythm guitar, banjo, mandolin, fiddle..... so I don't have spend hours playing and replaying stuff to fix all the clams.
Every one of these discussions, and I see one every month or so, eventually boils down to "it's the one I have been using for the last 295 years". I have never really gotten a straight answer. Very few of us are writing scores for Miramax here and you can nitpick about miniscule things forever and never finish a song.
Eddie, you have been beating this dead horse for a long time now!
Go back to some of your previous threads and you will see why others and I use other DAWs.
Also using the same DAW for years is a good answer IMO. I have limited time to make music. I prefer to use a DAW that I am familiar with to get that music in a presentable form than to spend that precious time learning another DAW. Plus any DAW along with BiaB will do the same thing as RB.
Just my opinion peace
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Dare I try to say this one more time? For the majority of us, our DAW is used for RECORDING. Eddie, has stated he does not do RECORDING. What he does (in my words) is composing and arranging. And for this RB, with its Real Tracks meets his every need. What is appently not clear here is that if you do RECORDING you have more needs  . ..and of course that leaning curve stuff is a big part of the equation. Boy, with all this holiday time, I have way to much time to stir the pot here. 
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You got it, Dan. I record just far enough into the recording realm to get a workable copy of a song to send it to people to critique the writing. I want to write, not become Bob Clearmountain. There has never been a live drummer up here where I have to worry about mic placement, no guitar player demanding that he have a mic exactly 11.5 inches from his speaker.... I care enough about it to want a dead room for vocals because the rest is direct anyway. Nobody is going to come to my 2nd floor home studio to cut their CD.
But this has been a great thread to hear opinions and I have read it all through several times.
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I own, and have used Reaper, Sonar X1, Multitrack Studio, Acid Pro. All solid well rounded programs. I use BiaB and RB because i can do 99% of everything those can do, and i do not have to change platforms and upgrade multiple programs.
Two things i wish RB would address:
1. Please add a better automation system I.E. A node based feature much like sonar and all the others have. Heck even the entry level cakewalk has it.
2. Please fix the VSC timing issue so we can use those pesky plugs that need it.
Having said that I can always bounce a track from one of those other programs on the rare occasion i need to.
I actually did a test about a year ago where i started with a basic midi file and i processed it through VSC synths, added a couple live recorded tracks and mixed it down. I did the same project in Reaper, Sonar X1, and RB. The end result was amazing! They all sounded the same. But the really amazing part was that i actually found the RB mix to be a little easier to do and finish. Lastly i was able to add a couple RTs to it and polish that #&$% even further.
So like was said i choose to upgrade BiaB now and RB comes along for the ride, and does everything i need. I see where Reaper and Sonar have a deeper feature set, but i don't use everything RB has yet. And they are there to catch me if i fall.
It is work flow, what works best for you. I spent so much money chasing the perfect DAW, and guess what it is not there. Sonar, and Repear, and any other DAW has a few bugs, and issues, just as biab and RB do. Learn one and get good at it, if you get so good you reach the limit of a program, add one that fills that need. Until then you can waste time and money chasing something that does not exist.
Make music, have fun, and enjoy the process.
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One little add on is that i have recorded original songs on Sonar, Multitrackstudio, and RB from that experience i can say RB does a fine job. Just as good as the others. I do like the automation in the other two it makes bringing instruments in and out a bit easier that using RBs volume record feature. But i can work with that as well.
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I actually did a test about a year ago where i started with a basic midi file and i processed it through VSC synths, added a couple live recorded tracks and mixed it down. I did the same project in Reaper, Sonar X1, and RB. The end result was amazing! They all sounded the same. But the really amazing part was that i actually found the RB mix to be a little easier to do and finish. Lastly i was able to add a couple RTs to it and polish that #&$% even further.
That's exactly it, Rob. I keep coming back there too. If just one time you decide to add even a partial Real Track like an 8 bar rhythm guitar part or something, then you're going back to RB to generate those 8 bars, saving it, importing it back to whatever DAW you were working with and what's the point then? Just stay in RB in the first place because with the whole project evolving right there you can experiment with lots of RT/RD's and many times discover some very cool things. Even though I will ***** and moan with the rest of us about the VST timing problem with Jamstix, all the different Biab midi drum parts and Real Drums audio tracks pretty much covers everything I need anyway.
John, one thing you may be missing is you don't have to make RB generate a whole track. You can simply generate however many bars you need by highlighting those bars with your mouse first. Then the generation times are very fast and remember don't open a Biab song in RB, D&D the tracks.
Scott, thanks for your comment about RB's midi. I keep reading that too and if RB's midi editing is that good then why would I start using something else? Automation, yeah I can see it but still I'm not bad with what I've got. I can spend $99 right now and upgrade my old Sonar Home Studio to X2 but I still don't see any real compelling reason to do so considering I would be a month at least just getting familiar with it.
Something that looks interesting is Abelton Live. Sure, all you can find concerning Live is all about hip hop DJ's, beatz construction and euro dance stuff but I've been on their forum and it turns out there's lots of traditional players like us using it too. I'm fascinated with it's ability to completely rearrange a song on the fly, you can mix and match song elements to the nth degree sort of like our Conductor on steroids. I think I could take a bunch of Biab song tracks plus my own tracks, throw them into Live and have a great time. The only problem is it's not cheap.
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Bonus PAKs for Band-in-a-Box 2025 for Mac!
With your version 2025 for Mac Pro, MegaPAK, UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, Audiophile Edition or PlusPAK purchase, we'll include a Bonus PAK full of great new Add-ons FREE! Or upgrade to the 2025 49-PAK for only $49 to receive even more NEW Add-ons including 20 additional RealTracks!
These PAKs are loaded with additional add-ons to supercharge your Band-in-a-Box®!
This Free Bonus PAK includes:
- The 2025 RealCombos Booster PAK:
-For Pro customers, this includes 33 new RealTracks and 65+ new RealStyles.
-For MegaPAK customers, this includes 29 new RealTracks and 45+ new RealStyles.
-For UltraPAK customers, this includes 20 new RealStyles.
- Look Ma! More MIDI 13: Country & Americana
- Instrumental Studies Set 22: 2-Hand Piano Soloing - Rhythm Changes
- MIDI SuperTracks Set 44: Jazz Piano
- Artist Performance Set 17: Songs with Vocals 7
- Playable RealTracks Set 4
- RealDrums Stems Set 7: Jazz with Mike Clark
- SynthMaster Sounds and Styles (with audio demos)
- 128 GM MIDI Patch Audio Demos.
Looking for more great add-ons, then upgrade to the 2025 49-PAK for just $49 and you'll get:
- 20 Bonus Unreleased RealTracks and RealDrums with 20 RealStyles,
- FLAC Files (lossless audio files) for the 20 Bonus Unreleased RealTracks and RealDrums
- Look Ma! More MIDI 14: SynthMaster,
- Instrumental Studies Set 23: More '80s Hard Rock Soloing,
- MIDI SuperTracks Set 45: More SynthMaster
- Artist Performance Set 18: Songs with Vocals 8
- RealDrums Stems Set 8: Pop, Funk & More with Jerry Roe
Learn more about the Bonus PAKs for Band-in-a-Box® 2025 for Mac®!
New! Xtra Styles PAK 20 for Band-in-a-Box 2025 and Higher for Mac!
Xtra Styles PAK 20 for Mac & Windows Band-in-a-Box version 2025 (and higher) is here with 200 brand new RealStyles!
We're excited to bring you our latest and greatest in the all new Xtra Styles PAK 20 for Band-in-a-Box! This fresh installment is packed with 200 all-new styles spanning the rock & pop, jazz, and country genres you've come to expect, as well as the exciting inclusion of electronic styles!
In this PAK you’ll discover: Minimalist Modern Funk, New Wave Synth Pop, Hard Bop Latin Groove, Gospel Country Shuffle, Cinematic Synthwave, '60s Motown, Funky Lo-Fi Bossa, Heavy 1980s Metal, Soft Muted 12-8 Folk, J-Pop Jazz Fusion, and many more!
All the Xtra Styles PAKs 1 - 20 are on special for only $29 each (reg $49), or get all 209 PAKs for $199 (reg $399)! Order now!
Learn more and listen to demos of the Xtra Styles PAK 20.
Video: Xtra Styles PAK 20 Overview & Styles Demos: Watch now!
Note: The Xtra Styles require the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition of Band-in-a-Box®. (Xtra Styles PAK 20 requires the 2025 or higher UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition. They will not work with the Pro or MegaPAK version because they need the RealTracks from the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition.
New! XPro Styles PAK 9 for Band-in-a-Box 2025 and higher for Mac!
We've just released XPro Styles PAK 9 for Mac & Windows Band-in-a-Box version 2025 (and higher) with 100 brand new RealStyles, plus 29 RealTracks/RealDrums!
We've been hard at it to bring you the latest and greatest in this 9th installment of our popular XPro Styles PAK series! Included are 75 styles spanning the rock & pop, jazz, and country genres (25 styles each) that fans have come to expect, as well as 25 styles in this volume's wildcard genre: funk & R&B!
If you're itching to get a sneak peek at what's included in XPro Styles PAK 9, here is a small helping of what you can look forward to: Funky R&B Horns, Upbeat Celtic Rock, Jazz Fusion Salsa, Gentle Indie Folk, Cool '60s Soul, Funky '70s R&B, Smooth Jazz Hip Hop, Acoustic Rockabilly Swing, Funky Reggae Dub, Dreamy Retro Latin Jazz, Retro Soul-Rock Fusion, and much more!
Special Pricing! Until July 31, 2024, all the XPro Styles PAKs 1 - 9 are on sale for only $29 ea (Reg. $49 ea), or get them all in the XPro Styles PAK Bundle for only $149 (reg. $299)! Order now!
Learn more and listen to demos of XPro Styles PAKs.
Video: XPro Styles PAK 9 Overview & Styles Demos: Watch now!
XPro Styles PAKs require Band-in-a-Box® 2025 or higher and are compatible with ANY package, including the Pro, MegaPAK, UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, and Audiophile Edition.
New! Xtra Styles PAK 20 for Band-in-a-Box 2025 and Higher for Windows!
Xtra Styles PAK 20 for Windows & Mac Band-in-a-Box version 2025 (and higher) is here with 200 brand new RealStyles!
We're excited to bring you our latest and greatest in the all new Xtra Styles PAK 20 for Band-in-a-Box! This fresh installment is packed with 200 all-new styles spanning the rock & pop, jazz, and country genres you've come to expect, as well as the exciting inclusion of electronic styles!
In this PAK you’ll discover: Minimalist Modern Funk, New Wave Synth Pop, Hard Bop Latin Groove, Gospel Country Shuffle, Cinematic Synthwave, '60s Motown, Funky Lo-Fi Bossa, Heavy 1980s Metal, Soft Muted 12-8 Folk, J-Pop Jazz Fusion, and many more!
All the Xtra Styles PAKs 1 - 20 are on special for only $29 each (reg $49), or get all 209 PAKs for $199 (reg $399)! Order now!
Learn more and listen to demos of the Xtra Styles PAK 20.
Video: Xtra Styles PAK 20 Overview & Styles Demos: Watch now!
Note: The Xtra Styles require the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition of Band-in-a-Box®. (Xtra Styles PAK 20 requires the 2025 or higher UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition. They will not work with the Pro or MegaPAK version because they need the RealTracks from the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition.
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