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this may have been wished for before but I'd love to have the option of exporting the various components of a drum kit on separate tracks so I have more control of them in the mix.
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This has been tossed around for a while now. It seems to be a great idea. My biggest fear would be the size of audio files it would take to house all the RDs in multitrack format, plus the power it would involve to render them.
If one wants far greater power over separate drum tracks, midi is tha way to go. Most midi drum modules allow multiple track output these days. Getting Biab, and especially RB to play nice with Jamstix and such would be powerful in this regard.
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do you mean the size of the files delivered to us with BIAB or the size of the exported tracks? seems like the exported tracks for any given song would, at worst, double the number of tracks if you assume 4 or 5 tracks for drums.
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this may have been wished for before but I'd love to have the option of exporting the various components of a drum kit on separate tracks so I have more control of them in the mix.
This is possible, I managed to get the separate components of a drum kit in wav and midi files but it was so long ago I cannot remember how I did it!!
I believe one way was opening a BIAB project with RB and then there is a setting in RB which gives you the option of getting the separate drum components in RB.
I also think I managed to do it in BIAB but cannot remember.
Someone from PG Music should know.
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Please let us know if you find out how you did that, Pete. If it works, not only would this work in RealBand, but then I assume it would be possible to Drag 'n Drop separate tracks to any other DAW.
And we are talking RealDrums here, correct? As far as I know, they are recorded as one complete kit into one audio file, and thus cannot be separated.
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I have just found the MGU file from 2011 and I used RealDrums (RockHardModernEv8^2-ClsdHt,OpHt) in BIAB. I cannot for the life of me remember how I did it but this is a file output: (excuse the editing)
Song File Name: Big Wall rockerTrackExport
Tempo: 112
Key: C
Time Sig: 4/4
Track File Saved: C:\Users\Owner\Documents\My Recordings\BIAB\Single Midi Tracks\Big Wall rockerTrackExport Individual Files\2 - Drums (BB).MID
Track File Saved: C:\Users\Owner\Documents\My Recordings\BIAB\Single Midi Tracks\Big Wall rockerTrackExport Individual Files\8 - Bass Drum 1 - C 3 - MIDI #36.MID
Track File Saved: C:\Users\Owner\Documents\My Recordings\BIAB\Single Midi Tracks\Big Wall rockerTrackExport Individual Files\9 - Side Stick - C#3 - MIDI #37.MID
Track File Saved: C:\Users\Owner\Documents\My Recordings\BIAB\Single Midi Tracks\Big Wall rockerTrackExport Individual Files\10 - Acoustic Snare - D 3 - MIDI #38.MID
Track File Saved: C:\Users\Owner\Documents\My Recordings\BIAB\Single Midi Tracks\Big Wall rockerTrackExport Individual Files\11 - Electric Snare - E 3 - MIDI #40.MID
Track File Saved: C:\Users\Owner\Documents\My Recordings\BIAB\Single Midi Tracks\Big Wall rockerTrackExport Individual Files\12 - Low Floor Tom - F 3 - MIDI #41.MID
Track File Saved: C:\Users\Owner\Documents\My Recordings\BIAB\Single Midi Tracks\Big Wall rockerTrackExport Individual Files\13 - Closed Hi-Hat - F#3 - MIDI #42.MID
Track File Saved: C:\Users\Owner\Documents\My Recordings\BIAB\Single Midi Tracks\Big Wall rockerTrackExport Individual Files\14 - Pedal Hi-Hat - G#3 - MIDI #44.MID
Track File Saved: C:\Users\Owner\Documents\My Recordings\BIAB\Single Midi Tracks\Big Wall rockerTrackExport Individual Files\15 - Low Tom - A 3 - MIDI #45.MID
Track File Saved: C:\Users\Owner\Documents\My Recordings\BIAB\Single Midi Tracks\Big Wall rockerTrackExport Individual Files\16 - Open Hi-Hat - A#3 - MIDI #46.MID
Track File Saved: C:\Users\Owner\Documents\My Recordings\BIAB\Single Midi Tracks\Big Wall rockerTrackExport Individual Files\17 - Crash Cymbal - C#4 - MIDI #49.MID
Track File Saved: C:\Users\Owner\Documents\My Recordings\BIAB\Single Midi Tracks\Big Wall rockerTrackExport Individual Files\18 - Crash Cymbal 2 - A 4 - MIDI #57.MID
Number of Tracks: 12
I'm sure it also involved Realband somehow. And Like I said I have the separate drum components as midi AND wav files. Wish I could remember!!
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Right! Here's what I've got so far. Remember I am using RealDrums (RockHardModernEv8^2-ClsdHt,OpHt) in BIAB.
Starting in BIAB:
Solo the drum track in BIAB.
Select File
Select Make a standard midi file
In midi file type select Drums on separate tracks
Select a destination and file name.
This creates a midi file you can then import into RealBand with the drums on separate tracks.
So, open RB, select import and select the midi file and the drum components are on separate tracks.
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How i got the midi tracks to wav files I aint figured yet.
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That is cool, and Rb also has the ability to split a midi file into parts. Just remember though that the OP wanted RDs on separate tracks, and that is not possible without re-recording them all on separate tracks
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The way I have done it above does not explain the output file 2 posts above.
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yeah, I'm def looking for separate RealDrums on separate tracks and not midi.
I'd be surprised if PG would have recorded all of those RealDrums tracks onto a single track. And, if they mic'ed and recorded them separately I doubt they would have mixed them down and not retained the separate recordings. So I'm hoping they have them all in the vault and may break them out for us in the future!
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John,
I know it's probably not of any help but the separate midi files created by the process I stated above can be converted to separate wav files in RealBand.
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Pete is right, and if you use a very high end drum sample program it can sound incredible. Midi can be really cool but it really boils down to what media you run them through.
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I took the instructions above and copied it to a word file and placed it in my tips and tricks binder. I use a lot of Midi drums for both cover songs to get the original feel, and also on original songs so i can get a better mix. I love RDs they sound reall good, but i like to mix the drums sounds a little better on most songs.
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The question would be are the midi drums converted RD's? ... or are they the replacement midi drums associated with the style if no RD's are available? I would guess it is the latter.
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The question would be are the midi drums converted RD's? ... or are they the replacement midi drums associated with the style if no RD's are available? I would guess it is the latter.
This is the style I used:
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RT388: Bass, Electric, Metal Ev 120, Dow Tomlin
RT691: Guitar, Acoustic, Strumming AcRockBright Ev 120, Jason Roller
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The drum in the mixer panel is green as are all instruments associated with this style.
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Maybe so, but when you did the "File --> Make a standard midi file", I don't think it converted the realdrums to midi. It just grabbed the matching midi drum pattern for the style and rendered that. I just tested it on a super simple drum kit (NashvilleWaltzSw^6-a:HiHat , b:Sidestick, Hihat). The rendered RD wav file and the rendered standard midi drum kit are completely different.
Maybe someone from PG Music can confirm that you are right, though.
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Kemmrich,
You have just bought me down to earth with a bump!!
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You have just bought me down to earth with a bump!! -- Pete
I apologize for that. Unfortunately, I seem to excel at that type of stuff!
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