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The question "how good is Melodyne?" comes up from time to time and I just found a great series of videos about it. I hadn't checked it out for a couple of years, the last I heard was it has promise but wasn't really living up to them. That appears to have changed. These 5 videos are using Melodyne with Presonus Studio One but they're not really about that DAW, they're mostly all about Melodyne. Melodyne should work just fine as a plugin with Real Band or it can be used stand alone. What really stuck me was just using the basic Melodyne Essential for single track stuff like vocals. I had always read about that in the context of simple pitch correction. It does way more than that for a vocal and Amazon has it listed for just $79. The full boat multitrack Studio Bundle is over $500 but just Essential looks very useful to me. https://www.youtube.com/playlist?annotati...vid=edz2PoO3GIsBob
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I have never been able to get melodyne to work properly with RB. I have used it in both Reaper and Sonar X1
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I bought melodyne essential last summer while it was on sale for $50 at musician's friend. I haven't used it too much, but I think it does what I need it to do. It also has a "standalone" mode where you can just tune a single track. I just tried that and that seems like a good technique if you want to do "guide" tracks so you can record yourself "in-tune" a little better (ha, ha).
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Interesting, sounds like the old VST issue. So if you're working with RB you have to put the track into Melodyne as a stand alone then import it back?
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That is what i had to do. It worked well. In Sonar i was able to use it as a VST, and that was cool, but i will say it was a pretty heavy load both in Reaper and Sonar.
The last three time i pitch corrected a vocal i used the vocal tuner in MTS and it worked great. I find that after all my flopping around that program, BiaB, and RB make a stellar team. I keep trying to make Sonar, and Reaper fit into the equasion, but MTS is just easier to use, and take the fight out of Recording. Anything i can't do in RB i seem to get done there. including vocal light tuning.
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... but MTS is just easier to use, ...
What's MTS?
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have you guys ever tried the free Reaper plugin for tuning? I have watched demos and it seems to work pretty well but I have not tried it. Just wondering how much better (if any) the Melodyne would be.
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Watch the videos, you're talking a whole other universe. Here's just one example, using the copy feature to create vocal harmonies from one original part. Singers use vocal vibrato all the time but harmony singers usually don't because different singers have different vibratos so if all of them are singing with vibrato it will sound like a bunch of warbles. Therefore just copying a vocal track and keeping that exact vibrato for each harmony part sounds fake. Melodyne actually displays that vibrato and can modify it. How cool is that? I had no idea it can do that so using your mouse you can actually remove the vocal vibrato, nothing to do with pitch tuning, just the vibrato. Plus it has a humanize function to slightly randomize the harmony parts to closely emulate what real singers would be doing. The best singers in the world can't precisely match what they're doing relative to the other singers, there's always some slight variations.
This is just the basic Essentials. You should see the vids about the full Edit program working with multitrack parts like guitar, drums or keyboard parts with full chords. We could take Real Tracks parts and completely change them. But of course if you're talking the full Edit version, that costs real money.
Overall though Melodyne is looking pretty slick.
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thanks Bob but it won't do me much good since I don't yet have a handle on the subject. I'm cheap so I'll probably start using the Reaper plugin! :-)
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Kemmrich, this is MTS. http://www.multitrackstudio.com/ I have not seen it's equal in simplicity, and stability, plus it has deep feature, and some of the best built in plugs in the world.
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I totally agree, that's why I waited until I found a good deal for Studio One Professional on Ebay. Pro includes the full version of Essential, not just the demo version that Artist and Producer gives you. So I got a $400 program for $135 including Melodyne Essential and had it all transferred to me on the Presonus website. That's why I started checking around how Melodyne works and found these vids.
Do I really need all this? Probably not, you can make Melodyne work with RB but this is an example of why someone may want another DAW even though RB will still get the job done. Melodyne is fully integrated inside Studio One (not just as a plug in) so that's pretty slick. So here's the math. Say $80 for Essential by itself that I've been thinking of getting anyway. That means I got Studio One Pro with tons of very cool features for $55. Not bad.
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Essentials can handle a little bit of "pitch drift", but it doesn't do vibrato or the formant type stuff: http://www.celemony.com/cms/index.php?id=383. If your version inside Studio One does vibrato, then it is more than the Essentials version!
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See, there ya go walking around with a big needle popping my bubbles. Something else I have to check out, I hate giving out bad info. For me I'm going to upgrade to Edit anyway but it sure looked like that modulation control was part of my basic package but it's new to me so I can't confirm it at this point. Stay tuned.
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Maybe I need to watch the videos.
I have used the Melodyne Essentials with some success and also some un-success.
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I have the full version of Melodyne and you do have to export a BIAB or RB track as a wave and then open it in Melodyne, tweak it,then import it back to the PG programs.
Some DAWs that support Rewire will allow you to open Melodyne within the program and tweak it there.
PG doesn't support Rewire at this time.
Another wishlist item.
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lots of audio programs call themselves "editors", but when it comes down to the business of using software to REALLY rearrange the subtleties of recorded audio, Melodyne is head and shoulders above the rest. The videos on Celemony's site show quite a few ways the program can be used in a studio (far more than just fixing a bad note in a vocal track, but it can do that too) The Celemony videos: http://www.celemony.com/cms/index.php?id=videos
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Melodyne is an amazing program and quite user-friendly once you've tried it a few times. The top version can even analyse polyphonic sound eg. Guitar music and this enables you to change wrong notes. You have to make sure the audio file you send to Melodyne is a clean sound without effects or reverb otherwise the analysis will be confused. Vocal harmonies can be corrected or even created. Really enables you to treat wave files more like MIDI in terms of editing. Certainly warrants all the plaudits it has received.
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