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Hey all! Good day. I have this book 'Outliers' by Malcolm Gladwell. Very interesting to me. Here is a link: http://www.wisdomgroup.com/report/10000_hours_of_practice/10,000 hours of practice to achieve mastery in any given subject. True or no, I like the idea and Malcolm takes a pragmatic approach to his research. Now the term 'mastery' can be overused, abused and perhaps mis-used. So take it with a grain.  So for you and me and our chosen professions or instruments it breaks down roughly to this: 3 hours per day for 9 years. 4 hrs per day for 7 years. 5 hrs per day for 5.5 years. 6 hrs per day for 4.5 years. When I see it like this (those are my own rough calculations) it does not seem so daunting. It is only int he real-life, real-time, day to day that we need our discipline or focus. His basic premise is that it takes getting to a point where 'practice' becomes the way of life and ultra enjoyable. Makes sense. Here is wishing you all some self mastery in some way today! Cheers!!
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I think I could handle the 3 hours a day for nine years, but I don't think I have the years left. I'm not even buying green bananas these days! 
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))) I think I could handle the 3 hours a day for nine years, but I don't think I have the years left.
Keep in mind that we're not starting from scratch, so it should hopefully be less than 10,000 - assuming that we "get credit for time served."
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When I was a youngster I spent 4 years earning a black black in Shotokan Karate. I estimate on average 4 hours every day for the 4 years resulting in 5700 hours. Later in life I attend graduate school for 5 years at an average of 8 hours per day for a total 14,240 hours to earn my Ph.D..
Maybe estimating on the high side since I did do my share of partying over those years, but you get the point, to reach any goal worth achiveing it takes a lot of time.
Later yet in life I have now spent 20 years playing this old guitar. I have no awards, no degrees, nothing to hang on the wall. I can't even guess at how many hours I have spent with this guitar on my lap and in my head. But looking back over my life it is one of my most enjoyable and proud achievements. Time Well Spent.
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I think I could handle the 3 hours a day for nine years, but I don't think I have the years left. I'm not even buying green bananas these days!
LOL!! That is funny to me.
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))) I think I could handle the 3 hours a day for nine years, but I don't think I have the years left.
Keep in mind that we're not starting from scratch, so it should hopefully be less than 10,000 - assuming that we "get credit for time served."
That's a great point. I think 'time served' is pivotal. I think many of us know more (have acquired more) than we may believe. It just takes something to bring it all together sometimes. I also think it is probably rare to find someone who genuinely wants to pursue one idea so rigorously. Speaking only for myself I have equally important and enjoyable passions that can divide my attention. I really enjoy studio work with other artists or working on 'tone' for myself or others or family time. In those times I am not playing but I am equally fulfilled. I have observed this in others as well.
I also believe with the age and speed of information today, we can gain access to ideas and implement ideas faster than many of those referenced in this book. Today's rapid information can hinder our progress also I believe if we get caught up in the infinite quagmire of the internet. Or...hanging out in forums! LOL!
Cheers!
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>> I also believe with the age and speed of information today, we can gain access to ideas and implement ideas faster than many of those referenced in this book.
Yes, I agree.
BTW, how many hours total have you put in in this current current country guitar woodshedding project?
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BTW, how many hours total have you put in in this current current country guitar woodshedding project?
Thanks for the Dialogue Peter.
I have to type it out. (Edited: Removed Unneeded Details)I would say about 340 hours so far considering so much time has been spent putting my studio back together, re-acquiring guitars, amps, pedals, tools, learning new software etc.
The real woodshedding begins in April....
Yep, about 340 hours...give or take.
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>>> Yep, about 340 hours...give or take
Well that's great progress, esp. for 340 hours. And to be clear, before these 340 hours, you had other music and guitar experience, but not much country guitar soloing - is that correct?
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Great points from all. I retired 3 yrs ago and decided to take on the guitar. Practiced daily until my fingers said stop, started lessons via YouTube, bought some DVD lessons. Soon, some said I sounded pretty good. Then I purchased BAIB thinking I could make some incredible music with the help of real tracks. LOL man was I ever humbled. I love BAIB but wish they had a user seminar or live class somewhere.
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>>> Yep, about 340 hours...give or take
Well that's great progress, esp. for 340 hours. And to be clear, before these 340 hours, you had other music and guitar experience, but not much country guitar soloing - is that correct?
Thank you Peter.
Yes. Indeed. I have a very broad skill set and lots of 'musical experience, "time served" so to speak to pull from. Just not on Electric guitar.
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busy computing the hours, can I add the hours spent in the forum as well?
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I think I could handle the 3 hours a day for nine years, but I don't think I have the years left. I'm not even buying green bananas these days!
Do you eat a banana while watching your favorite news show... 30 minutes?
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10,000 hours of practice to achieve mastery in any given subject
Mastery implies that there is nothing left to learn. The question must be - do we ever really master anything, or do we just keep on learning until we die?
Just a bit of philosophy to add to the mix...
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Mastery implies that there is nothing left to learn...
ROG.
I have personally never seen that definition or implication. I don't believe mastery is gauged by perfection. That wouldn't be real or practical. It is just based on a certain standard of excellence in any given field. Perhaps an ambiguous standard sometimes, but there is a foundation nonetheless.
Speaking only from my own experience, anyone great enough to be considered a 'master' of any subject or craft has reached the understanding and a realization (inevitable through the process of becoming) that there is never an end to learning. They all understand just how many limits they are operating under despite their achievements. That is in part what makes the greats so great. Always maintaining a beginners mind 'philosophically' speaking.
My personal answer to your question would be...yes and no . I think the definitions of 'mastery' allow for both. We get to become masters at our craft and yet always there is infinitely more to learn. Hopefully we never stop questing for more.
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Does this help?
There are known knowns; there are things we know we know.
We also know there are known unknowns; that is to say, we know there are some things we do not know.
But there are also unknown unknowns – the ones we don’t know we don’t know.
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That was crystal clear  Cheers, Mike
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There are known knowns; there are things we know we know.
We also know there are known unknowns; that is to say, we know there are some things we do not know.
But there are also unknown unknowns – the ones we don’t know we don’t know.
This is a very practical and classic wisdom. I have been a firm believer in being present to this insight, if possible, ...when I find myself acting like the hind end of a mule...or just a hind end.
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I have personally never seen that definition or implication
The Oxford English Dictionary - "To master: to acquire complete knowledge of".
Hence my observation - nothing left to learn. Seriously, though, I didn't mean to be critical. Just stirring the pot.
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Mirriam Webbster: http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/master Funny how different cultures have different meanings for certain words. It's like it was a different language or something. /Those French; they have a different word for everything!
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Hi rharv.
Good point. Even the Oxford's use of the phrase "complete knowledge" becomes meaningless when you consider, as Jazzmandan pointed out, that there are things that we don't know, that we don't know we don't know.
AAARGH. This is making my head spin!
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