|
Log in to post
|
Print Thread |
|
|
|
|
|
Woodshedding - Learning to Play!
|
Joined: Jul 2000
Posts: 6,503
Veteran
|
OP
Veteran
Joined: Jul 2000
Posts: 6,503 |
Although I play 7 instruments, I am best at saxophone, flute and wind synthesizer. All single note instruments (the wind synth has the capability of more than one, but in most situations that is impractical). I've improvised solos long before BiaB was around. IMHO Improvising a good solo requires creating tensions and then resolving them with the other instruments in the band. So practicing improvisation on the sax is difficult without the rest of the band members present, and in most cases one cannot expect the band to continuously play a song over and over while you try things out and practice improvising solos. Before BiaB we had Music Minus One records (vinyl platters with grooves in them) followed by MMO cassette tapes. These were good aids but had four definitely limitations. (1) The songs available to practice with were limited to the small catalog of songs in the MMO library (2) you were stuck with the key of the recording (3) you were stuck with the tempo of the recording (4) if you were having trouble with a particular passage, it was difficult to find that part and play it over and over again. Band-in-a-Box solves all these problems. Virtually any song you want, any tempo you want, any key you want, any style you want, and you can loop a section over and over to your heart's content. This was the reason I bought BiaB for way back when I was using an Atari/ST computer and BiaB/PC was still in the DOS format. Like most users of this app, I have found a number of different ways to use BiaB. When appropriate I use it to create backing tracks for my duo http://www.nortonmusic.com/backing_tracks.html, I use it to do the 'mule work' of harmonizing a part, I use it in my feeble attempts to write new songs, I started a 'moonlighting' business of creating style and fake disks for BiaB, and I still find it extremely useful for practicing improvisation. We all learned certain rules for improv, some in school, some from other musicians, and some from self-discovery. But the rules are not concrete, written-in-stone formulas, but merely guidelines as to what works in a certain situation. Plus in many situations there are different ways to look at it and different rules to apply. And one more thing, the rules are made to be broken. So with BiaB you can try many different things on the same song without boring the rest of the band while they play the song over and over while you try things out (that is, IF you can get the band to do that in the first place). Secondly, if what you thought might work sounds terrible (as it sometimes does) you don't embarrass yourself because BiaB is completely non-judgmental. So while it does have many other fine uses, I believe BiaB is the absolute best tool for an improvising musician on the market. Crank it up, get your axe out, and start playing with it. Insights and incites by Notes
Bob "Notes" Norton  Norton Music
https://www.nortonmusic.com
100% MIDI Super-Styles recorded by live, pro, studio musicians for a live groove
& Fake Disks for MIDI and/or RealTracks
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Woodshedding - Learning to Play!
|
Joined: Oct 2008
Posts: 1,259
Expert
|
|
Expert
Joined: Oct 2008
Posts: 1,259 |
Good post, Bob, and particularly applicable to me. I've been using some of Jamey Aebersold's books, such as "Nothin' But Blues." Sometimes the tempo on the accompanying CD is too fast causing me to concentrate more on keeping up than experimenting with my improv. I should add that I don't do enough improv to have learned it very well. Someone suggested that I study the modes. Sadly, I only made a minimal effort at it as it became more like memorizing for a biology test. I'm sure there are many books on improvization, but, as you aptly point out, it's better to learn by playing. If there was a modes dvd, at a slow tempo, I might do better. Alternatively, maybe I should make up some exercises of my own using BIAB.
Cornet Curmudgeon
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Woodshedding - Learning to Play!
|
Joined: Jun 2009
Posts: 484
Journeyman
|
|
Journeyman
Joined: Jun 2009
Posts: 484 |
Hey Norton, I got one for ya. Growing up a guitarist in the days of vinyl I wore out Peter Frampton’s, “Do You Feel Like We Do” with my guitar.
I have used BIAB for practicing many times. I would load a riff and try a style moving the tempo to and fro. Then, there were also the music/ear training games that I let me daughter use that helps her.
Although I am not one to toil over a particular part until I got every note correct. You will definitely hear it in my recorded music. My primary technique in using BIAB as a practice tool is to take some of their pre-composed songs, and study the lines in them. This will cause my fingers to break their muscle memory. It is a great resource that allows you to break down, measure by measure, what is taking place in the song. I find that so much more productive than watching a video of a guitar virtuoso demonstrating their wares. That is for the “ooh” & “ah” effect. I need to see notes on a page and music accompanying it to really get better as a player.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Woodshedding - Learning to Play!
|
Joined: Jul 2000
Posts: 6,503
Veteran
|
|
OP
Veteran
Joined: Jul 2000
Posts: 6,503 |
Quote:
Hey Norton, I got one for ya. Growing up a guitarist in the days of vinyl I wore out Peter Frampton’s, “Do You Feel Like We Do” with my guitar.<...>
When I was young, I wore out a vinyl copy of "Harlem Nocturne" by The Viscounts - so I understand EXACTLY what you are saying.
BiaB has helped my improvisations more than any other tool at my disposal. The MMO products like Abersold are limiting in song selection, key, and tempo.
Theory books are great, but there is more than one right way to play an improvised solo in every song. Different ways of looking at the chords in relation to the other chords and key signature, plenty of choices to be made, some will sound better to the artist's ears than others (and some will sound bad). Using BiaB I can practice improvisation in the privacy of my own home, and nobody will hear the failed experiments but my computer, and it is completely non-judgmental  Plus it has the patience to do it over and over and over until I get it to the point where I feel comfortable.
Practicing improvisation was the main reason I bought BiaB way back in the Atari days. Writing styles and creating my own backing tracks came later. There are dozens of uses for BiaB, some of which I use frequently and some of which I don't use at all - those are for other musicians.
Adding PTPro or RealBand and it's the "Swiss Army Knife" of musical apps.
And today, I'm a better musician because of these tools than I might have been without them.
I can't say enough nice things about it.
Notes
Bob "Notes" Norton Norton Music
https://www.nortonmusic.com
100% MIDI Super-Styles recorded by live, pro, studio musicians for a live groove
& Fake Disks for MIDI and/or RealTracks
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Woodshedding - Learning to Play!
|
Joined: Mar 2004
Posts: 6,722
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: Mar 2004
Posts: 6,722 |
Notes,
Right you are . . . from day one using BIAB I have said that besides the obvious benefits of the program even more importantly it has made me a better musician.
Later,
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Woodshedding - Learning to Play!
|
Joined: Dec 2003
Posts: 24,686
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: Dec 2003
Posts: 24,686 |
Quote:
Quote:
Hey Norton, I got one for ya. Growing up a guitarist in the days of vinyl I wore out Peter Frampton’s, “Do You Feel Like We Do” with my guitar.<...>
When I was young, I wore out a vinyl copy of "Harlem Nocturne" by The Viscounts - so I understand EXACTLY what you are saying.
Notes
I feel both of you guy’s pain.
I wore out all of my Chuck Berry vinyl way back when 
Tips on how to fall asleep in a living room chair:
1- Be old
2- Sit in a chair
64 bit Win 10 Pro, the latest BiaB/RB, Roland Octa-Capture audio interface, a ton of software/hardware
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Woodshedding - Learning to Play!
|
Joined: Jul 2000
Posts: 6,503
Veteran
|
|
OP
Veteran
Joined: Jul 2000
Posts: 6,503 |
The pain wasn't the learning, that was exciting.
The pain was trying to find replacement vinyl for something that was no longer in the record stores.
I still like the sound of clean vinyl, but I also really like digital and the new tools that we have now.
Notes
Bob "Notes" Norton Norton Music
https://www.nortonmusic.com
100% MIDI Super-Styles recorded by live, pro, studio musicians for a live groove
& Fake Disks for MIDI and/or RealTracks
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Woodshedding - Learning to Play!
|
Joined: Jun 2005
Posts: 17
Enthusiast
|
|
Enthusiast
Joined: Jun 2005
Posts: 17 |
Lately, I've been practicing my jazz piano playing with BIAB by taking a jazz tune with a Real Tracks style and muting everything but the bass. It helps a lot with my time, and my listening skills.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Ask sales and support questions about Band-in-a-Box using natural language.
ChatPG's knowledge base includes the full Band-in-a-Box User Manual and sales information from the website.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box 2026 for Mac Videos
With the release of Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Mac, we’re rolling out a collection of brand-new videos on our YouTube channel. We’ll keep this forum post updated so you can easily find all the latest videos in one convenient spot.
Whether you're exploring new features, checking out the latest RealTracks or Style PAKs, this is your go-to guide for Band-in-a-Box® 2026.
Check out this forum post for "One Stop Shopping" of our Band-in-a-Box® 2026 Mac Videos!
Band-in-a-Box 2026 for Mac is Here!
Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Mac is here and it is packed with major new features! There’s a new modern look, a GUI redesign to all areas of the program including toolbars, windows, workflow and more. There’s a Multi-view layout for organizing multiple windows. A standout addition is the powerful AI-Notes feature, which uses AI neural-net technology to transcribe polyphonic audio into MIDI—entire mixes or individual instruments—making it easy to study, view, and play parts from any song. And that’s just the beginning—there are over 100 new features in this exciting release.
Along with version 2026, we've released an incredible lineup of new content! There's 202 new RealTracks, brand-new RealStyles, MIDI SuperTracks, Instrumental Studies, “Songs with Vocals” Artist Performance Sets, Playable RealTracks Set 5, two new RealDrums Stems sets, XPro Styles PAK 10, Xtra Styles PAK 21, and much more!
Special Offers
Upgrade to Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Mac and save up to 50% on most upgrade packages during our special offer—available until May 15, 2026. Visit our Band-in-a-Box® packages page to explore all available upgrade options.
2026 Free Bonus PAK & 49-PAK Add-ons
Our Free Bonus PAK and 49-PAK are loaded with amazing add-ons! The Free Bonus PAK is included with most Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Mac packages, but you can unlock even more—including 20 unreleased RealTracks—by upgrading to the 2026 49-PAK for just $49.
Holiday Weekend Hours
As we hop into the Easter weekend, here are our holiday hours:
April 3 (Good Friday): 8:00 AM – 4:00 PM PDT
April 4 (Saturday): Closed
April 5 (Easter Sunday): Closed
April 6 (Easter Monday): Open regular hours
Wishing you an egg-cellent weekend!
— Team PG
Update to Build 10 of RealBand® 2026 for Windows®!
If you're already using RealBand 2026 for Windows, download build 10 to get all the latest additions and enhancements.
Band-in-a-Box® 2025 for Mac® users: Build 904 now available!
If you're already using Band-in-a-Box® 2025 for Mac®, make sure to grab the latest update! Build 904 is now available for download and includes the newest additions and enhancements from our team.
Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Windows® users: Build 1237 is now available!
Already a Band-in-a-Box 2026 for Windows user? Stay up to date and download the build 1237 to get all the latest additions and enhancements.
PowerTracks Pro 2026 for Windows is Here!
PowerTracks 2026 is here—bringing powerful new enhancements designed to make your production workflow faster, smoother, and more intuitive than ever.
The enhanced Mixer now shows Track Type and Instrument icons for instant track recognition, while a new grid option simplifies editing views. Non-floating windows adopt a modern title bar style, replacing the legacy blue bar.
The Master Volume is now applied at the end of the audio chain for consistent levels and full-signal master effects.
Tablature now includes a “Save bends when saving XML” option for improved compatibility with PG Music tools. Plus, you can instantly match all track heights with a simple Ctrl-release after resizing, and Add2 chords from MGU/SGU files are now fully supported... and more!
Get started today—first-time packages start at just $49.
Already using PowerTracks Pro Audio? Upgrade for as little as $29 and enjoy the latest improvements!
Order now!
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Forums57
Topics86,169
Posts801,503
Members40,061
| |
Most Online64,515
Apr 8th, 2026
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Dansk
Deutsch - Windows
Español
Français - Windows
Italiano - Windows
Nederlands
Polski
Português
Svenskt
русский
Japanese
Simplified Chinese
Traditional Chinese
Korean