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Sorry ROG . . . I could not get past Bruce. I'll try again later, maybe fast forward. That raised a smile. Thanks, Danny. At least I included the advance warning! ROG.
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I too must admit that as soon as I saw Springsteen's face, I had an uncontrollable impulse to kill it, ...... so I did! 
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I too must admit that as soon as I saw Springsteen's face, I had an uncontrollable impulse to kill it, ...... so I did! it took every fiber of my resistance to tough it out until somebody else came to the mic. But in the end, I was glad I waited. In the context of this thread, I thought the song was not only emotionally stirring, but also quite cleverly presented to the audience. It managed to suck ME in, at least.
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Something I left out about the "gray lump of matter" is this: It has the power of understanding, not to say that other clever species are devoid of it, but our power is finite, just like theirs. There are things that I believe human minds will never understand. One of these is precisely how music can make people react emotionally. Songs - blasts of air - can make people cry. well... if you mean we may never understand it in chemical terms, I'll just shrug and admit an inability to see what the future might hold. But if you mean we will never understand how to predictably elicit emotional responses based on a musical formula, I'd have to disagree wholeheartedly. For example we already know that slow songs in minor keys tend to produce a melancholy mood... fast paced songs with an even beat tend to make us feel enthusiastic... and dissonant jazz tends to make us change channels. Haha, had to throw that in there just to MESS with ya, Aleck! 
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OK, look at the question this way:
If you were in a scientific experiment which consisted of brain monitors that show which hemisphere of the brain was most active at the moment...
in YOUR case... which hemisphere would likely be most active when you were WRITING a song....
And which hemisphere would be most active when you were listening to an existing song?
Note: it's generally agreed that the RIGHT hemisphere is active during creative/emotive endeavors while the left hemisphere is active during analytical endeavors
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When I read wanton hatred for an entertainer extraordinaire and very talented writer and musician (as in Bruce Springsteen), it becomes hard to take any of you seriously on any topic. Have fun in your own small minded little worlds.
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When I read wanton hatred for an entertainer extraordinaire and very talented writer and musician (as in Bruce Springsteen), it becomes hard to take any of you seriously on any topic. Have fun in your own small minded little worlds. Dang, Kevin... ya gotta allow people the liberty to have an opinion that's different than yours without labelling them as narrow-minded. Doing so implies that your opinion is the standard by which all other opinions are judged and validated (or dismissed. ) I'm pretty sure that ain't true. Having said that, I accept that in your opinion I am small minded. I do NOT accept that your opinion defines me, except from your point of view. I absolutely do not accept the idea that any of our opinions here are synonymous with reality. Except maybe Mac... he's gotta be close.
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When I read wanton hatred for an entertainer extraordinaire and very talented writer and musician (as in Bruce Springsteen), it becomes hard to take any of you seriously on any topic. Have fun in your own small minded little worlds. Dang, Kevin... ya gotta allow people the liberty to have an opinion that's different than yours without labelling them as narrow-minded. Doing so implies that your opinion is the standard by which all other opinions are judged and validated (or dismissed. ) I'm pretty sure that ain't true. Having said that, I accept that in your opinion I am small minded. I do NOT accept that your opinion defines me, except from your point of view. I absolutely do not accept the idea that any of our opinions here are synonymous with reality. Except maybe Mac... he's gotta be close. Very well said Pat. It's always amused me when people label others as "open minded" when they agree with them and "close minded" when they don't. FWIW, I don't hate Springsteen, ...I just don't want to hear him sing, play or hear anyone else do his songs. Hehe. I figure that's my right, the same as it's other peoples right to tune out artists I am fond of. Exercising your right to an opinion doesn't mean you live in a "small minded little world."
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FWIW, I don't hate Springsteen, Me neither. In fact I like his music quite a bit. For me it was the intimacy of the song's beginning that creeped me out, and Springsteen was right there front stage center while I was experiencing the creeped-out feeling, so it all got transferred to him. It took a while to warm up to what they were doing. In the end it worked for me, and I enjoyed the presentation a LOT. One might say I had to step outside my small-minded little world for a minute Its all good (eventually.)
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Kevin,
That “small minded little world” comment got me thinking about the music that I deliberately listened to today. It included:
The Andrews Sisters, Elvis Presley, Gin Wigmore, Robert Palmer, Sierra Hull, Della Mae, Junior Brown, The Beach Boys, Peter Gabriel, Merle Haggard, Tristan Prettyman, T. Rex, Christina Aguilera, Pink, Mya, Tom Petty, Tony Rice, Sam Bush, Tommy Emmanuel, Hall & Oates, Dwight Yoakum, Gretchen Wilson, Brent Mason, Vince Gill, Rodney Crowell, The Beatles, Travis Tritt, Pam Tillis and about 30 or so minutes of Beethoven. (I didn’t get to ZZ Top or Mark O'Connor today).
I don’t know about the music in your world today, but in my “small minded little world”, …it was pretty good and extremely varied. It was emotional and intellectual.
I had the US Open golf tournament playing on TV muted, while surfing some of my favorites on YouTube.
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Hey Kevin, Even though I am not a huge Bruce fan I would tend to agree with you that he is a very talented songwriter and performer. And ya just can't take the opinions you read here too seriously...remember we are all here using software with backing tracks to build a few songs while Springsteen is busy filling stadiums and touching the lives of millions and millions!  -John
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John,
Does that mean you're not allowed to have an opinion unless you can fill a stadium?
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John,
Does that mean you're not allowed to have an opinion unless you can fill a stadium? Not at all Bob! I just get tickled when regular folks (like you and me) are critical of guys like Springsteen who have achieved incredible success. It always comes off sounding like sour grapes. And anyway, it is all just our opinions in here, right?
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Does that mean you're not allowed to have an opinion unless you can fill a stadium? Not at all Bob! I just get tickled when regular folks (like you and me) are critical of guys like Springsteen who have achieved incredible success. It always comes off sounding like sour grapes. And anyway, it is all just our opinions in here, right? It's all just opinions, ... that's true. I just get flustered when someone says I live in a "small minded little world" just because I don't like Bruce Springsteen. I think his songs are pedestrian, his vocals are mediocre at best and his guitar playing is worthy of a garage band. Just because he's popular doesn't mean he's good. And I don't have fame envy. I've never tried to be "famous", and I never will be famous. I just think Springsteen sucks. Hehe. Oh well, ...
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Hi Pat. This is a very interesting topic to read through. When I read the part about brain hemishperes, I thought you and others might like to have a look at the following presentation. It's very powerful. http://www.ted.com/talks/jill_bolte_taylor_s_powerful_stroke_of_insight.htmlAfter watching Jill's presentation, I had an additional, valuable insight into how a mind works. This helped to clarify why some people feel that the music they create comes from the 'cosmos' while others painstakingly apply patterns and methodology. (To my way of thinking, these approaches to music creation are also aspects of the "emotion versus intellect" arguments.) - BACKGROUND
Dr Jill Bolte Taylor is a brain scientist who had a stroke. During the course of the event, she started using the stroke to analyse how the different hemispheres of her brain worked because one of her brain's hemispheres alternated between on and off as a consequence of the stroke's progression.
The presentation is very interesting, very insightful and well worthwhile watching! Regards, Noel
MY SONGS...Audiophile BIAB 2026
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John,
Does that mean you're not allowed to have an opinion unless you can fill a stadium? Not at all Bob! I just get tickled when regular folks (like you and me) are critical of guys like Springsteen who have achieved incredible success. It always comes off sounding like sour grapes. And anyway, it is all just our opinions in here, right? It's all just opinions, ... that's true. I just get flustered when someone says I live in a "small minded little world" just because I don't like Bruce Springsteen. I think his songs are pedestrian, his vocals are mediocre at best and his guitar playing is worthy of a garage band. Just because he's popular doesn't mean he's good. And I don't have fame envy. I've never tried to be "famous", and I never will be famous. I just think Springsteen sucks. Oh well, ... As I said earlier I am not a huge Bruce fan but he has sold 120 million records, won 20 Grammys, won 2 Golden Globes, won an Academy Award and was inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. Rolling Stone ranked him as the 23rd Greatest Artist of all time, the 96th Greatest Guitarist of all time on their latest list and the 36th Greatest Singer of all time in 2008 (source: Wikipedia). So, by any objective standard we might choose the guy has pretty clearly established that he is "good"!
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Kevin,
That “small minded little world” comment got me thinking about the music that I deliberately listened to today. It included:
The Andrews Sisters, Elvis Presley, Gin Wigmore, Robert Palmer, Sierra Hull, Della Mae, Junior Brown, The Beach Boys, Peter Gabriel, Merle Haggard, Tristan Prettyman, T. Rex, Christina Aguilera, Pink, Mya, Tom Petty, Tony Rice, Sam Bush, Tommy Emmanuel, Hall & Oates, Dwight Yoakum, Gretchen Wilson, Brent Mason, Vince Gill, Rodney Crowell, The Beatles, Travis Tritt, Pam Tillis and about 30 or so minutes of Beethoven. (I didn’t get to ZZ Top or Mark O'Connor today).
I don’t know about the music in your world today, but in my “small minded little world”, …it was pretty good and extremely varied. It was emotional and intellectual.
I had the US Open golf tournament playing on TV muted, while surfing some of my favorites on YouTube.
And BTW I am beyond impressed that you have Merle AND T.Rex in your playlist along with Z.Z.Top, Elvis, Peter Gabriel, Tom Petty and the others. Me too! My friends cannot figure me out because my interests are so varied!
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So, by any objective standard we might choose the guy has pretty clearly established that he is "good"! Sorry John. The general public doesn’t have a CLUE as to what’s “good” in music. They only dictate what is popular. It’s up to the musicians of the world to suggest what’s “good”.
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And BTW I am beyond impressed that you have Merle AND T.Rex in your playlist along with Z.Z.Top, Elvis, Peter Gabriel, Tom Petty and the others. Me too! My friends cannot figure me out because my interests are so varied! Some folks recognize good music when they hear it. Others never try to listen to anything outside of their comfort zone to see if they like something else. I'll give a chance to a HUGE variety of music. And I'm not bashful about saying so if something sucks! That doesn't make it a fact, ... just my honest opinion. (Yes, ... I know I could have just typed JMHO. 
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FWIW, I don't hate Springsteen, ...I just don't want to hear him sing, play or hear anyone else do his songs. Hehe.
OK, that made me laugh! (And I think that was your intention.) But it is a sweeping statement (and of course your perogative). In case you really meant it, Have you ever heard "Fire" by the Pointer Sisters? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_2eccWtlC08I bought the 45 single (a rarity for me) of that one. It's not my favorite record, or anything. But I do really like it, still. (I like the Pointer Sisters, especially "Fairytale", "Fire" and "I'm So Excited"!) On the thread topic, this may be one of those things that is different for different people. For me, it's a laughable question. Music means more to me than money. That's not an intellectual choice.
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