Every time "auto tune" works it's way into these conversations I wonder if you all mean the same thing by auto tune. That is NOT that stupid vocoder/talkbox effect like Cher and Roger Troutman and a host of others have used. Auto tune is a tool to pull up a sour note by a cent or two. The talkbox is not autotune, and if you have evidence Cher has ever used auto tune, I'd love to hear it. I can't stand her but pitch control has never been an issue for her. Her taste in men, maybe.... but not pitch.

NOBODY valid goes on tour and sings like a foghorn and has an auto tune effect at the board correcting his pitch from 4 half steps away and I think a lot of you think that is the case from the silly youtube examples like the drunken fat guy singing Bohemian Rhapsody...

So what is you you guys are defining when you use that term?