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John,
After 4 hours of exploring add-ons, and the add-on reviews
I dropped the hammer...
Thanks for heads up.
Now gotta download over 20 gig of goodies.
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Long time CW owner/user (since DOS version 2, PS Ditto for BIAB) and currently own Sonar X2 Producer, which I ALMOST skipped buying for multiple reasons.
In any case, I'll be skipping X3, at least for the foreseeable future.
While I run Win 7 64 bit I have yet to install the 64 bit version of Sonar X2. I have no "dedicated" 64 bit plug-ins (i.e., I have Kontakt 5 which is a "switch hitter" but I didn't buy it for 64 bit use). I have yet to consciously buy, or download, any 64 bit only VSTs/VSTi's and I own NO VST3's.
HOW DO I MANAGE?
Larry
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Larry,
Reading your Signature, me thinks your doing quite well.
I picked it up for the Melodyne and also the Addictive drums.
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Seeker,
My post, on re-reading, came off as arrogant, snippy, .. sorry didn't mean to sound like that. Yes I have more toys than I should be allowed to own, or that are even listed :-)
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Larry,
I did not take it that way at all. I just barely know how to use
the DAW. Power Tracks and then RB has been my main mix tools.
Forced over to Sonar based on great x2a producer price and need
for 64 bit DAW to use a Lot of VSTi memory hogs...
Not in any way did I think it was wrong.....
"Snoopy" is still "Dancin"..... And "awaitin" the new PG system.
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If you haven't already got XLN's Addictive Drums you're going to love them. I use them in almost all my projects.
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Larry, There is a plugin which bridges 32 bit VST for use in 64 bit apps. However, I think Cakewalk is still using a VST into DX wrapper - so I'm not sure that the bridge plugin works. http://jstuff.wordpress.com/jbridge/There's a demo so you could give it a whirl if you can do a dual install of Cakewalk. I'm sort of in the same boat. I have a small stockpile of my 'goto' plugins which are all 32 bit and my current host is 32 bit (run in Win7 64 bit Home Premium as Administrator without an issue). But I'm getting ripe for upgrading to a 64 bit host. I'm very tempted by Mixcraft's video editing features and it's price. I qualify for an academic discount on it.
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Larry, There is a plugin which bridges 32 bit VST for use in 64 bit apps. However, I think Cakewalk is still using a VST into DX wrapper - so I'm not sure that the bridge plugin works. http://jstuff.wordpress.com/jbridge/There's a demo so you could give it a whirl if you can do a dual install of Cakewalk. I'm sort of in the same boat. I have a small stockpile of my 'goto' plugins which are all 32 bit and my current host is 32 bit (run in Win7 64 bit Home Premium as Administrator without an issue). But I'm getting ripe for upgrading to a 64 bit host. I'm very tempted by Mixcraft's video editing features and it's price. I qualify for an academic discount on it. I think that DX wrapper was for Sonar 5 and older. Present Sonar uses a bridge to use 32 bit plugs in the 64 bit versions. Noel has posted comments before how all of this stuff works. Here is a new Blog on the latest VST3 support that implements the ARA support for Melodyne. http://blog.cakewalk.com/developer-notes-sonar-x3-vst-enhancements/
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If you haven't already got XLN's Addictive Drums you're going to love them. I use them in almost all my projects. Thanks very much John for the positive feedback regarding Addictive drums. Just wondering are they easy enough to setup in DAW and how do the sounds compare to Realdrums which I currectly use? many thanks Musiclover
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I did add them as VSTi to BIAB last night. They came
right up.
I just finished a quick function test of AD's.
They worked just fine on the simple test. 09:30am west coast.
Have tried them out standalone with sounds and they are
really excellent sounding.
My opinion, but for pure sound quality, don't think you
can beat RealDrums. They are first class top of the line.
AD appealed to me due to heavy use of VSTi's.
Do need to learn more about building up "my" sets tho.
The new age, Ambient does not seem to be in that system.
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My opinion, but for pure sound quality, don't think you
can beat RealDrums. They are first class top of the line.
With all due respect I will disagree with you on this. A good MIDI drum sound source can have be equal to RealTracks for sound quality. BUT the BIG difference is how they are played. Pro drummers are playing on RTs. You will need to do a lot of MIDI manipulation to get the same feel. There are MIDI drum tracks out there like Groove Monkee that are recorded with pro drummers playing on a MIDI drum kit. They are not quantized and, with a good MIDI drum sound source, sound as good as RTs IMHO.
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Mario,
No sweat, my opinion is based on midi drums thru the years.
And you made a great point, live example "John Jarvis"
and PG folks with their super midi offerings.
"Thou Shalt not render Opinion based on Old Days"
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My opinion, but for pure sound quality, don't think you
can beat RealDrums. They are first class top of the line.
With all due respect I will disagree with you on this. A good MIDI drum sound source can have be equal to RealTracks for sound quality. BUT the BIG difference is how they are played. Pro drummers are playing on RTs. You will need to do a lot of MIDI manipulation to get the same feel. There are MIDI drum tracks out there like Groove Monkee that are recorded with pro drummers playing on a MIDI drum kit. They are not quantized and, with a good MIDI drum sound source, sound as good as RTs IMHO. I love Real Tracks as much as anybody but there is no doubt in my mind a program like Jamstix driving a good VSTI drum module with a killer sampled kit can sound just as good. Also you have full control over the mix with a separate track for each drum kit piece, allowing you to pan and adjust the volume of each component as well as a bunch of other parameters.
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As to live midi drums, Biab has hired live drummers for Biab for years. And no, I'm not confusing Real Drums here. Many of the stock Biab midi drum parts were done by live drummers on a midi drum kit. There's one of those little symbols next to the style that denotes live midi drums.
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Bob:
I'm curious about this symbol you've mentioned that indicates live midi drums have been played for that style.
Could you explain what the symbol looks like and were to find it in the syle picker?
Thanks.
John
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Mario,
"Thou Shalt not render Opinion based on Old Days" This is great advice and one that I should follow as well!
Forbidden fruit causes many jams!
64 bit Win 10 Pro, the latest BiaB/RB, Roland Octa-Capture audio interface, a ton of software/hardware
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