|
Log in to post
|
Print Thread |
|
|
|
|
|
User Showcase
|
Joined: Aug 2011
Posts: 488
Journeyman
|
OP
Journeyman
Joined: Aug 2011
Posts: 488 |
Here is a new song that I created with "BIAB 2013" I was in the Pat Pattison classes with Berkley. I used some lessons that I learned when taking this class. Making the song move forward, and telling a story. At the beginning I created a much shorter version and I liked it so much that I did a full rendition adding another 2 verses. Enjoy! You'll Be Crying For My Love At Night
Music is an expression that is a universal language, Never criticize anybody to harshly. They need time to grow but when they do, they do. Always be kind in what you say and do because the man upstairs is watching.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
User Showcase
|
Joined: Feb 2005
Posts: 2,646
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: Feb 2005
Posts: 2,646 |
Very well done, Vocal music production and lyrics. thanks for sharing! My Music
My TunesPsalm 57:7 My heart, O God, is steadfast, my heart is steadfast; I will sing and make music.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
User Showcase
|
Joined: Dec 2011
Posts: 8,218
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: Dec 2011
Posts: 8,218 |
Excellent song. Great job on the lyrics. Guitars had a very nice tone...
Scott
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
User Showcase
|
Joined: Feb 2007
Posts: 1,815
Expert
|
|
Expert
Joined: Feb 2007
Posts: 1,815 |
Sounds good. My only complaint might be that it all seems like one big chorus. I can't tell (sonically) where the verses are and where the choruses are. Visually it is also too much -- I had to stop looking at it (ha, ha). You just need more variation between the verse and chorus. If a song lack dynamics it just goes on and on.
I think what you done is fine, just break it up better and add more dynamics.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
User Showcase
|
Joined: Apr 2009
Posts: 10,727
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: Apr 2009
Posts: 10,727 |
ah yes.... I agree with Kemmrich. I had no idea where the verses ended and the choruses (were there any?) began.
Where you hit the SHORT GUITAR BREAK.... there should have been an easily identifiable verse and a chorus before it..... however, it sounded like perhaps 3 verses(?) and part of something else that sounded too much like everything else.
For the most part, country, rock, bluegrass, and many other genre's of music have certain structure to them. Verses and choruses for the most part that are easy to hear and you know without a doubt that you are in the chorus or the verse. I found myself constantly asking what part of the song is this?
In a song, the verses are one part of the song that tells the story as you mentioned, and moves the song along. This is done well by the writing you have here. However, there is an apparent lack of a chorus. The chorus needs to be easy to hear... the listener should know it just went to the chorus. The chorus needs a different melody, perhaps a different chord progression and the energy level and groove should be stronger, higher, and solid.
The hook/title of the song YOU'LL BE CRYING FOR MY LOVE AT NIGHT should be in the chorus and probably no place else in the song.... especially in the verses. It should slam the idea home.... and hook the listener with a memorable melody line.
It would be easier to comment and digest the lyrics in more detail if they were written out on a single page as opposed to viewing them one line at a time in the video.
I think you have a good idea here and with a bit of effort, mainly a rewrite of a solid, unique chorus, the song could be really well written. Boil the verses down to the best story line possible and cap them with a chorus with that hook and let it tie them all together.
It reminds me of Tom Petty in more than a few places.
This advice is given with respect for you and in what you have written and hopes that it is encouraging and useful to you.
Last edited by Guitarhacker; 10/08/13 05:44 AM.
You can find my music at: www.herbhartley.comAdd nothing that adds nothing to the music. You can make excuses or you can make progress but not both. The magic you are looking for is in the work you are avoiding.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
User Showcase
|
Joined: Aug 2011
Posts: 488
Journeyman
|
|
OP
Journeyman
Joined: Aug 2011
Posts: 488 |
Guitarhacker
that is great advice. I am going to attempt a r-write
Kemmrich
thanks for the words I am going to try to re-write this. As mentioned I wrote this for the pat pattison lesson's. I did an You'll be crying for my love at night, Stable Verse, & Unstable Chorus I thought that this sounded pretty good. Here is what I came up with by adding another 2 verses and using the same chorus. I know that this is breaking the rules. It does not sound to bad though because of the repetition. That is only in my opinion though. I do really appreciate the feedback. I am just writing with experimentation in mind, that is why I am looking for feedback to increase the knowledge of my writing. In my years of education I know that classes can only teach you so much. You have to sort of take the bull by the horns and teach yourself if you want to become real good at it. So, that is what I am doing. so, Just so you can get the just of this song here are the full lyrics.
You'll be crying for my love at night
4 Bar Intro
1st verse
You know I loved you for so long
I found out you didn't really care at all
Where did our love go wrong?
You set my heart up for a fall
Chorus:
Now you’ll be crying for my love at night
Through the endless tears of all my pain
now why don't you just let me be?
You'll be crying for my love at night
You had to give me all this pain
Cause' it's another love that went so wrong
2nd verse
I have had all that I can take
I still love you in so many ways
This hurt goes on and on
And I ain’t gonna’ take no more
Chorus:
Now you’ll be crying for my love at night
Through the endless tears of all my pain
now why don't you just let me be?
You'll be crying for my love at night
You had to give me all this pain
Cause' it's another love that went so wrong
Solo 8 Bar solo
3rd Verse
These tears I cried are not in vain
I know I’ll find love again someday
The thought of you’s driving me insane
My love for you stops here today
Chorus:
Now you’ll be crying for my love at night
Through the endless tears of all my pain
now why don't you just let me be?
You'll be crying for my love at night
You had to give me all this pain
Cause' it's another love that went so wrong
Went so wrong, m, m, m, m, m, m, went so wrong, fade to ending
© Robert, A. Pidgeon 2013 all rights reserved
Scottt709
Thanks for your positive comments. I edited this in music creator 6. I added some effect to get the nice guitar sounds.
PgFantastic
and also thanks for your praise on this. I did the final production in my fostex vf08 digital recorder. I do all my songs this way.
Last edited by trapper456; 10/08/13 08:47 PM. Reason: to change a word
Music is an expression that is a universal language, Never criticize anybody to harshly. They need time to grow but when they do, they do. Always be kind in what you say and do because the man upstairs is watching.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
User Showcase
|
Joined: Apr 2009
Posts: 10,727
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: Apr 2009
Posts: 10,727 |
The problem was not so much with the verses as it was with the "not well defined" chorus. With the verses, read them without the music and see if they make sense and tell the story. Don't assume anyone knows what you're talking about. In other words.... nothing cryptic that isn't explained. Keep the melody and groove/patterns the same in all the verses. Chorus: Now you’ll be crying for my love at night Through the endless tears of all my pain now why don't you just let me be? You'll be crying for my love at night You had to give me all this pain Cause' it's another love that went so wrong So, just by reading this and nothing else.... At first glance, the hook title is in the right place on Line 1..... however.... the 6 line chorus , I think, is wrong. Drop the last 2 lines and waa laa, you have the hook AGAIN in the RIGHT place..... at the end of the chorus.... Now you’ll be crying for my love at night Through the endless tears of all my pain now why don't you just let me be? You'll be crying for my love at night Since the first and last line are the hook line/title, the most important part of the rewriting is what you say in line 2 and 3 of the chorus.... in other words, you really only need to write TWO LINES.... 16 or so words..... how hard can that be? It needs to perhaps explain why she's going to be crying for your love..... either way, it should be the common theme that ties the story in the verses together..... that common thread. The other options include using the hook/title in only the first line OR the last line, and write 3 new lines.... using rhyme and meter to make it work. OR... move the hook to the end ...line 6 and write 4 new lines in the chorus. The chorus can be what ever you want it to be but, do follow the rules for placing the hook/title correctly in the chorus.... that was one thing that was throwing me off as I listened..... I heard the hook, and was expecting the end of the chorus and it kept going..... "what?" Think of the song as a 3 minute video, for which you are writing the score. Choose the words efficiently and effectively. Re-writing a song is generally harder than the original first write. Most songwriters make the mistake of thinking that what is essentially a good first draft is a finished song that exudes sheer brilliance. Only a small handful of writers were even close to that level. Lennon/McCartny being one example. Most of us really have to work to write good music. The secret to that is in the rewrite. So don't make the mistake of "falling in love" with your first drafts. Many of my songs are rewritten 6 to 8 times.... I actually do not count anymore. I simply know that it's what I need to do and get to work doing the rewrite. The only goal is the best possible song. This song: http://soundclick.com/share.cfm?id=12024980 I know for a fact, was rewritten and tweeked over 6 times.... at any given part of this song the listener knows exactly where they are. 2 verses tell the story and the pre-chorus sets up the huge chorus which delivers in a big way... providing musical climax and satisfaction..... Believe it or not, this song started with 3 or 4 verses and even had a bridge. With each rewrite, it was trimmed and this was the "end result" of the editing and trimming and looking at the song in an objective manner. This song is a co-write as well. Having a co-writer is one of the best and fastest ways to really learn how to write effectively. I hope this unsolicited advice is useful and helpful.
Last edited by Guitarhacker; 10/09/13 04:37 AM.
You can find my music at: www.herbhartley.comAdd nothing that adds nothing to the music. You can make excuses or you can make progress but not both. The magic you are looking for is in the work you are avoiding.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Ask sales and support questions about Band-in-a-Box using natural language.
ChatPG's knowledge base includes the full Band-in-a-Box User Manual and sales information from the website.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box 2026 for Windows Special Offers End Tomorrow (January 15th, 2026) at 11:59 PM PST!
Time really is running out! Save up to 50% on Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Windows® upgrades and receive a FREE Bonus PAK—only when you order by 11:59 PM PST on Thursday, January 15, 2026!
We've added many major new features and new content in a redesigned Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Windows®!
Version 2026 introduces a modernized GUI redesign across the program, with updated toolbars, refreshed windows, smoother workflows, and a new Dark Mode option. There’s also a new side toolbar for quicker access to commonly used windows, and the new Multi-View feature lets you arrange multiple windows as layered panels without overlap, making it easier to customize your workspace.
Another exciting new addition is the new AI-Notes feature, which can transcribe polyphonic audio into MIDI. You can view the results in notation or play them back as MIDI, and choose whether to process an entire track or focus on specific parts like drums, bass, guitars/piano, or vocals. There's over 100 new features in Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Windows®.
There's an amazing collection of new content too, including 202 RealTracks, new RealStyles, MIDI SuperTracks, Instrumental Studies, “Songs with Vocals” Artist Performance Sets, Playable RealTracks Set 5, two RealDrums Stems sets, XPro Styles PAK 10, Xtra Styles PAK 21, and much more!
Upgrade your Band-in-a-Box for Windows to save up to 50% on most Band-in-a-Box® 2026 upgrade packages!
Plus, when you order your Band-in-a-Box® 2026 upgrade during our special, you'll receive a Free Bonus PAK of exciting new add-ons.
If you need any help deciding which package is the best option for you, just let us know. We are here to help!
Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Windows® Special Offers Extended Until January 15, 2026!
Good news! You still have time to upgrade to the latest version of Band-in-a-Box® for Windows® and save. Our Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Windows® special now runs through January 15, 2025!
We've packed Band-in-a-Box® 2026 with major new features, enhancements, and an incredible lineup of new content! The program now sports a sleek, modern GUI redesign across the entire interface, including updated toolbars, refreshed windows, smoother workflows, a new dark mode option, and more. The brand-new side toolbar provides quicker access to key windows, while the new Multi-View feature lets you arrange multiple windows as layered panels without overlap, creating a flexible, clutter-free workspace. We have an amazing new “AI-Notes” feature. This transcribes polyphonic audio into MIDI so you can view it in notation or play it back as MIDI. You can process an entire track (all pitched instruments and drums) or focus on individual parts like drums, bass, guitars/piano, or vocals. There's an amazing collection of new content too, including 202 RealTracks, new RealStyles, MIDI SuperTracks, Instrumental Studies, “Songs with Vocals” Artist Performance Sets, Playable RealTracks Set 5, two RealDrums Stems sets, XPro Styles PAK 10, Xtra Styles PAK 21, and much more!
There are over 100 new features in Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Windows®.
When you order purchase Band-in-a-Box® 2026 before 11:59 PM PST on January 15th, you'll also receive a Free Bonus PAK packed with exciting new add-ons.
Upgrade to Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Windows® today! Check out the Band-in-a-Box® packages page for all the purchase options available.
Happy New Year!
Thank you for being part of the Band-in-a-Box® community.
Wishing you and yours a very happy 2026—Happy New Year from all of us at PG Music!
Season's Greetings!
Wishing everyone a happy, healthy holiday season—thanks for being part of our community!
The office will be closed for Christmas Day, but we will be back on Boxing Day (Dec 26th) at 6:00am PST.
Team PG
Band-in-a-Box 2026 Video: The Newly Designed Piano Roll Window
In this video, we explore the updated Piano Roll, complete with a modernized look and exciting new features. You’ll see new filtering options that make it easy to focus on specific note groups, smoother and more intuitive note entry and editing, and enhanced options for zooming, looping, and more.
Watch the video.
You can see all the 2026 videos on our forum!
Band-in-a-Box 2026 Video: AI Stems & Notes - split polyphonic audio into instruments and transcribe
This video demonstrates how to use the new AI-Notes feature together with the AI-Stems splitter, allowing you to select an audio file and have it separated into individual stems while transcribing each one to its own MIDI track. AI-Notes converts polyphonic audio—either full mixes or individual instruments—into MIDI that you can view in notation or play back instantly.
Watch the video.
You can see all the 2026 videos on our forum!
Bonus PAK and 49-PAK for Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Windows®
With your version 2026 for Windows Pro, MegaPAK, UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, Audiophile Edition or PlusPAK purchase, we'll include a Bonus PAK full of great new Add-ons for FREE! Or upgrade to the 2026 49-PAK for only $49 to receive even more NEW Add-ons including 20 additional RealTracks!
These PAKs are loaded with additional add-ons to supercharge your Band-in-a-Box®!
This Free Bonus PAK includes:
- The 2026 RealCombos Booster PAK:
-For Pro customers, this includes 27 new RealTracks and 23 new RealStyles.
-For MegaPAK customers, this includes 25 new RealTracks and 23 new RealStyles.
-For UltraPAK customers, this includes 12 new RealStyles.
- MIDI Styles Set 92: Look Ma! More MIDI 15: Latin Jazz
- MIDI SuperTracks Set 46: Piano & Organ
- Instrumental Studies Set 24: Groovin' Blues Soloing
- Artist Performance Set 19: Songs with Vocals 9
- Playable RealTracks Set 5
- RealDrums Stems Set 9: Cool Brushes
- SynthMaster Sounds Set 1 (with audio demos)
- Android Band-in-a-Box® App (included)
Looking for more great add-ons, then upgrade to the 2026 49-PAK for just $49 and you'll get:
- 20 Bonus Unreleased RealTracks and RealDrums with 20 RealStyle.
- FLAC Files (lossless audio files) for the 20 Bonus Unreleased RealTracks and RealDrums
- MIDI Styles Set 93: Look Ma! More MIDI 16: SynthMaster
- MIDI SuperTracks Set 47: More SynthMaster
- Instrumental Studies 25 - Soul Jazz Guitar Soloing
- Artist Performance Set 20: Songs with Vocals 10
- RealDrums Stems Set 10: Groovin' Sticks
- SynthMaster Sounds & Styles Set 2 (sounds & styles with audio demos)
Learn more about the Bonus PAKs for Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Windows®!
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Forums57
Topics85,757
Posts795,894
Members39,952
| |
Most Online25,754
Jan 24th, 2025
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
There are no members with birthdays on this day. |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Dansk
Deutsch - Windows
Español
Français - Windows
Italiano - Windows
Nederlands
Polski
Português
Svenskt
русский
Japanese
Simplified Chinese
Traditional Chinese
Korean