glad Mac's advice worked for you Robh! but it is not the right approach for everyone. smile I personally do not have the time, patience or interest; so high-quality plugins with great presets represent huge value to me! as they do for many others.

I wonder if you would advise Sly to cancel his BIAB order and instead spend his time learning to play guitar, piano, bass, drums, etc.? Seems to me using BIAB is a lot like using plugins with presets!