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Hey guys,
After having my win 8 machine for a year, I decided to take the plunge and move everything - BIAB and RB look great on it. I haven't had a chance to record anything on it yet still moving stuff.
So anyway, I get out the tracktion 3 discs install it and then manually moved the file with all my songs in it.
When I go to test run tracktion 3, it sets up and says I'm running in demo mode and sends me to my.mackie where sure enough my "lifetime" license for T3 is right there. BUT they have a message box on the page that Mackie sold Tracktion and no longer supports it with a link to the new site for support.
So I go to the new owners site where there's a message that version 3 can no longer be unlocked out of demo mode unless I upgrade to version 4 for $30. I read on their forum and it's Mackie's fault and something about don't have, can't get, too expensive to write the code blah blah blah. (Just as a aside I was really taken aback by the way someone else was treated by other users when they brought this up on that forum post I read.)
$30 may be cheap for any kind of upgrade, but I don't like being forced to pay to use something I already own just because I changed computers and be forced to upgrade. I might not even like version 4. At this moment....frankly I'm just shocked that both parties had such little regard for their customers.
Sad thing is, I have a LOT of mixes in that format. I'm not sure what I'm going to do yet.
Thanks for listening to this rant ya'll.
Josie
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Message received and understood. Good luck!
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Josie:
I don't use Tracktion, but I seem to remember that there was some talk that Tracktion 4 does NOT have a lot of the excellent plugins that came with version 3.
So, that's something to consider even if you do pay for the upgrade.
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Man, that sucks.  I really liked the Tracktion workflow when it came out, so when Traction 4 was announced, I downloaded the demo and played around with it. The flow wasn't as "intuitive" as I remembered, as I'd since between my initial experience and Traction 4 I learned a new DAW. But the final nail was - as John noted - the lack of plugins. My understanding is that Mackie basically abandoned Tracktion, and the original developer ended up buying the program back from them. So for Mackie to point the finger at the new Tracktion folk isn't entirely fair, since Mackie dropped support in the first place - despite any "lifetime support" agreement you may have with them. Think of it as having a $30 crossgrade offer from another company. It might be time to start looking at another DAW, or perhaps another set of plugins. I know my mixes without the plugins wouldn't be the same at all.
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Thank you Matt,John and David,
Guess I'll be doing more in Realband and trying out Reaper.
David, glad to hear from someone who demoed the new T4. I did a google search and none of the T3 Mackie plugs come with or work properly with the new version - which was the only reason I got it in the first place.
I found out on the kvr forum that it was "orphaned" by Mackie after I bought it but it was still shipping with their products. I never had any issues with it on XP so I didn't hang there often. I never dreamed the users would be orphaned....
At least I didn't pay top dollar for it like some folks did - thank God. I'm not the biggest fan of the one page does all GUI it has either. The thought of learning another DAW makes me groan but I'm ready to try something else.
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You will love reaper. Great workflow and better support in the user forum and company staff.
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Josie, if you look at the threads in detail on the Tracktion forum at kvr you will find ways wrond both of your concerns.
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Thanks Dan,
I'm looking forward to learning it. I hope it's easy to drag and drop tracks into from Realband. Tracktion was a breeze at that.
Thanks Scott,
I saw the how to unlock guide on the thread but I'm running win 8 and I just don't feel comfortable having to turn off my virus protection and using a sandbox to keep from getting a Trojan just to open it and then hope it stays open and everything works. The last thing I need is some Trojan.
It seems to me, if some crack key generating person could figure it out then the developers ought to be able to figure something out that's better, more stable and safer than this option. If and when they do, I might reconsider but the way I feel right now I'm done with it and won't be starting any new mixes using it. I don't like how this was handled at all.
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Thanks Dan,
I'm looking forward to learning it. I hope it's easy to drag and drop tracks into from Realband. Tracktion was a breeze at that.
Josie Yes, absolutely. Download and install free for trial period. No restrictions.
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Josie,
Understood - I actually won a T4 license in an auction for $20, but I haven't found a need to install it yet.
I think you got Tracktion 3 for $19, correct?
I'm not sure that I agree with you that the new owners of Tracktion can do what you suggest - crack the old software - this would be highly suspect.
This is really on Mackie for not honoring a lifetime license/support - that's my opinion.
Anyways, I will be using T3 and eventually T4 on my existing lappy. Not sure what I will do when this lappy goes bad - which it will.
Unlike most, I really do like the all-in-one screen GUI and signal flow.
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Dan and John thank you both,
I dl'd Reaper and Noel sent me instructions to make a template to get started. I must say I am BEYOND happy! This could be a true blessing in disguise for me. I love the way it looks, the way the controls are setup and all the features I've seen so far. It's got many similar features to T3 and many things seem just easier to do. I've barely scratched the surface yet but I am LOVING it. Barring some unforeseen major glitch, I think Reaper is for me.
Scott,
I have enjoyed T3 very much and will still keep it on my XP machine. I have MANY mixes done with that. It was my second DAW after Realband and I learned a lot by using it. And yes, I got T3 Ultimate on a no brainer deal for 20 or 30 bucks because the box was mislabeled and I believe that deal sold out in a day. At the same time and for some time afterwards other people were still paying a much higher price on other sites. What I or anyone else paid for it is beside the point.
I think the new owners are just as responsible as Mackie - they made the deal with Mackie. I can't believe they didn't know the details and how it would work out for their customers. And since I read that two of them worked for Mackie and one of them wrote the software, I don't think it's so far fetched that they couldn't have come up with a better solution than what they chose to do. I also read that T4 is shipping with Mackie products now. But that's the deal they decided on so each customer has to decide if that's okay or not.
I was a little freaked out over it all because I'm so used to T3 but I'm totally impressed with Reaper. When the laptop quits, you may want to try it too.
Best wishes,
Josie
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My take is this, there is no reason to move to another DAW other than RB unless you need it. If you make most of your tracks in BiaB/RB and do not do a lot of fancy track work like using tempo lock VSTis, deep level editing, drum transient work, heavy automation, real fancy comping of tracks and such then what do you need another DAW for.
Look i have Reaper 4 fully licensed, Sonar X-1 essentials, Multitrackstudio, and Studio one Producer. I was constantly chasing down all these features everyone raves about. Truth be know i was building all my tracks in RB, even recording my other tracks there, and mixing them. Most of the deeper features i will never use. If and i say IF with capital letters i was ever to open and run a studio to record other people for pay, I would settle into one of the big name DAWs and really use it for the end result, but for a personal studio where the biggest project i do is one of two things.
1. a original song that i create, that consist of 5 or 6 BiaB track, and two or three tracks i record, like guitar, and vocal, what the heck do i need Sonar Producer for. Sure it has deep features, that i most likely will never need just to mix down my song.
2. Mix down a set of tracks for a live backing band, usually never more than 8 to 10 tracks, and many times just 4 or 5. Most live bands have around 4 to 5 players. Add a couple harmony tracks, and wow a whopping 7 -8 maybe.
None of this overtaxes RB. I have also found that RB plays nice with a lot of real good third party mixing plugins, so if the PG don't get it, then i can bring in a few others.
I do wish i could fully use Jamstix, EZDrummer, and such, but until i can they do work as static drum players off midi input very well, just can't use the brain feature.
I would like a slight upgrade to the automation, but for the moment it does work. I would like a better audio editing window with a little bit better attention to detail, and a true comping system. All the basics are there. Look at the quality ROG's gets using Powertracks and RB. His work is very polished, same with Rharv. If you try to tell me RB will not do polished work, that is because you have not really dug in to it and really learned it, or your system has some issue with it. Sure it is not quite up to the standards of Cubase, Sonar, Logic, and a few others, but it is very capable.
If perchance you run into a situation that requires more then go do some deep research and get a finishing DAW to polish up that masterpiece. I gotta tell you i searched and searched, and finally came to the realization i was just chasing propaganda.
Ever go and read these other forums? I have spent time at Reaper, Sonar, and Studio one forums. There are those that love each, and those that bash them. One on every forum clamoring for that software to be like the other one. Gotta have this, and gotta have that. Makes me wonder do they actually ever really use the programs, or just spend time pounding away on forums.
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I dl'd Reaper and Noel sent me instructions to make a template to get started. I must say I am BEYOND happy! This could be a true blessing in disguise for me. I love the way it looks, the way the controls are setup and all the features I've seen so far. It's got many similar features to T3 and many things seem just easier to do. I've barely scratched the surface yet but I am LOVING it. Barring some unforeseen major glitch, I think Reaper is for me. Reaper is an awesome DAW for sure! With its modern GUI, full feature list, low price, great support and huge community, to me it was a no-brainer! And, if you have about 8 hours to spare for tutorial videos there is a great set called Reaper 4 Explained ( http://www.groove3.com/str/reaper-4-explained.html) that is currently on sale for $30. I bought this and have gone through them several times and always pick up something new that I can use!
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Hi Robh,
Enjoyed seeing you live the other night.
Using another DAW after RB is simply a workflow choice for me that's easier the way I use it.
John,
Thank you for the link.
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I can't vouch for the safety of the key generator but most of them contain some type of malware so you are wise to stay away. It doesn't matter that the forum mod over there pointed to it, its use was NOT originally to help legitimate license holders put to allow folks to pirate the software.
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I can't vouch for the safety of the key generator but most of them contain some type of malware so you are wise to stay away. It doesn't matter that the forum mod over there pointed to it, its use was NOT originally to help legitimate license holders put to allow folks to pirate the software. Agreed. I've actually written the Tracktion folks to see if there is something that can be done here. My guess is their hands are tied by whatever agreement they entered with Mackie to resurrect the software from Mackie's abandonware status.
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in case you haven't see then Song from start to finish - BIAB, RealBand, & Reaper on the right hand side of this page http://www.pgmusic.com/videos.user.htm
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Josie, thanks for watching, it was fun, i hope to play again this week sometime.
AS far as work flow i agree that is very important. I guess my point is this, if the daw you like is not longer available, and you have to learn another, then why not RB since it complements BiaB so well, once you learn any DAW you will get comfortable with that one. As some others have said Reaper is a great DAW, good cost wise, and a gazillion feautres, but for me it was waaaaaay to much work, everything had to be set up each time, or you had to build a bunch of templates. Also i hated the fact that it seemed every time i open the darned thing it was asking to upgrade. For some that is cool, but 99% of all the little changes do not ever come up in my work flow, and it was a distraction. I am kinda distracted anyway.
I just keep learning RB, and getting more and more comfortable in it. Actually in a shootout i did last year with Reaper, MTS, and RB the RB song was a tad better and far easier to finish.
Sometimes simple is better!
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I may not be a lot of help in this because I don't own the program that you are talking about, but I have had something similar happen to me with another program, so I just got the funds together and purchased pro tools as a new version and have not been disappointed yet. You can use this program as a full DAW and get a better sound out of it than almost anything else. So, my suggestion if you cant work with that other company leave them in the dust, and try something new. Just saying. Pro tools is very expensive but it is worth every penny that I paid for it. I didn't bother to read some of the other comments that other people left, but I do get what you are saying when you say the other company did this to you. Pro tools is tried and true. The initial cost is expensive, but the upgrades to the new version is not to bad. I do not work for this company or anything, but I am just trying to give you some advice as to where you will not ever be disappointed with a professional company again. I bought pro tolls because I had heard a lot about it. Bands like Nickelback are using this program so if it works for them it works for me. I am not looking so much at the cost because music is what I enjoy doing even if the program never pays me back a dime. At least I have the best software in the music industry. So, if you want to, step up to a professional software and you will be very happy that you did. This is one program that you will not be disappointed with. Just saying.
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This is where you can read about Pro Tools http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pro_Tools
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I haven't heard anyone say that RB can't do polished work. As Rob noted, plenty of folk have demonstrated that great music can be created with RB.
There's no magic to any DAW - they all "sound" the same.
There are good reasons that people clamor for features. But it doesn't have to do with making better music. It's got to do with making it easier to make music. There are many ways to skin a cat, and the listener doesn't care how you got there.
Once you've used a tool that makes a critical workflow function easy, it's twice as painful to go back to the "old way" of doing things.
But as Rob said, if the hunt for tools is taking you away from making music, it's a refreshing change to go to a minimal tool and focus on the music instead of the plugins.
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Thanks Trapper, As for Pro Tools, obviously great if you can afford it - btw, congrats on your purchase of it, but not even near the city of my ball park I'm willing to spend. <grin> Robh, To me, Reaper is surprisingly similar to T3 in many ways. The learning curve is not as big as I was initially concerned it might be. The helpful tips that Noel so graciously provided gave me a great leg up on getting going. It has all the features I'm used to using in my workflow. I've started my first project.  David, Well said. For anyone using T3 - good luck. I enjoyed using it and learned from it, I'm moving on going with RB and Reaper - onward and upward. Thank you to everybody for all the good advice and links. I appreciate each and all of you very much. Happy New Year! Josie
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Josie:
How are you coming along with Reaper?
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I don't imagine that Greg Mackie has anything to do with T3 these days but I once imported electric components for him. I would be very happy to rattle his cage for Sundance.
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Update:
Scott wrote a nice letter to the Tracktion folks who responded with a very nice reply on how to try using the original disks to get the plugins into the new version after upgrading. I have to admit I've been sorely tempted to pay the money and try their advice during moments of frustration mainly because I never realized how much I relied on my "go to" plugins all right there no having to hunt around. But I read on their forum that T5 will be out soon so I'll wait and see what they come up with before I would actually give in to that temptation.
Meanwhile, I have forged ahead learning Reaper and overall I really do like it, although I'm still finding my way around the program, especially trying to find new "go to" plugins - there are so many to try. I guess with anything new you like some things better and still miss some really nice things you had.
Anyway, nerves jangly only using it for 16 days but I dove in and did one - I posted my first mix using Reaper in the Users Showcase.
No turning back now. <grin>
Thanks again to all of you for helping me.
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Hey Sundance, just jumping in here with a few tips.. 1. Stick with the Cockos plugins to start with. Their EQ's, Comps, etc are all fine IMHO, and my go-to's most of the time. The only thing I don't like is their Reverb, for that I use Breverb 2 & SIR. 2. Right Click is your friend in Reaper...Right Click Everything! LOL 3. The SWS Extensions are free & a must for Reaper. 4. You can watch some good free video tutorials for V3 HERE. Tho old, a lot still applies to V4. To end with, you can go to HERE & grab a lot of pre-sets for the Cockos Effects. There are some good starting points in there. Plus the free Manual is well written. Hope this helps!!
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Josie, no harm in admitting love for the Acuma plugins that were part of Tracktion 2 and 3 when it was owned by Mackie.
People paid upwards of $500 for the exact same Final Mix plugin to be used in Mackie's digital console. Exact same processing.
That's when Tracktion 3 Ultimate Edition got fire-saled for $19 at Musician's Friend and other retailers, it did signal the true end of the product, so it seemed. It also represented a ridiculous steal if you were just looking to have access to Acuma Final Mix.
You will have some trouble finding a single plugin in Reaper or any other DAW package that did the whole Final Mix processing chain, with prescribed presets. Most of the time, you have to pay for something like Isotope's Ozone or some other 'mastering' tool.
Final Mix consists of at least the following:
1. Parametric 6 band EQ feeding
2. 3 band dynamics processor feeding
3. Parametric 6 band EQ feeding
4. Limiter with soft-knee option.
The presets like 'Male Vocal', 'Rock Drums' etc. all tweaked each of those 4 stages, specific to those particular applications.
The presets were and still are a great learning tool as well as very useful for a quick spit-shine on something that one is in a hurry to post online.
Now, certainly you can create a signal chain that does all of the above, but you will be spending an inordinate amount of time tweaking each of those stages.
Make certain you understand Tracktion's method for how to gain access to the old plugins. You have to have your original install discs, and I'm not sure that they run native inside of the 64 bit version of Tracktion - you might have to get a bridge.
One thing that I'm told that Reaper has built-in is a bridge so 32 bit plugins work inside of the 64 bit code, without having to force it through a bridge, but I don't think you can use the Tracktion plugins inside of Reaper, unless you can 'host' Tracktion inside of Reaper - that's another potential option.
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I have not been able to get the Tracktion plugins to run in Reaper V3 or V4, just like some of the Cakewalk ones...
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SO..... rather than trying to hack into the program or paying the extortion fee..... Why not jump ship on it and move to Sonar/Cakewalk and get Music Creator 7 for $20? That's right... grab MC7 right now for $20. And when you register it, the key is safely stored in YOUR Cakewalk account where you can access it anytime you need....OR, simply write it down and use it any time you need to move MC7 to a new machine. I even lost the files of one of my MC versions and a simple email to Cake's tech support was followed by a return email with a download code for the software and the key. That's one reason I'm a Sonar user. Lots of my older songs were all recorded in MC4. It's a very capable DAW. Get it here: https://shop.cakewalk.com/I have run into the exact same issue. I had a D-Man PCI sound card on my first DAW. It was a W-95 machine. I needed to upgrade the OS for business and the D-Man drivers would not function with the new OS. I contacted the D-Man company for a new driver and was told essentially the same thing. I needed to upgrade the hardware because they were not planning to write driver code for the old card. $250 PCI card instantly became a paperweight,,,, and a poor one at that. That was the time I got out of music recording for a few years because my $500 investment in software and hardware was totally useless.
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You can find my music at: www.herbhartley.comAdd nothing that adds nothing to the music. You can make excuses or you can make progress but not both. The magic you are looking for is in the work you are avoiding.
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FYI, I'm now running Tracktion 6, and believe it or not, the T3 plugins work just fine with it in 32 bit mode. The Tracktion folks took a tip of mine to improve their website and they paid me with a Tracktion 6 upgrade. So, I've been using all the really quite excellent T3 plugins in the 32 bit version of T6. So far I've used the mono and stereo channel strip plugins as well as Final Mix. They have recently released a very similar plugin to Final Mix as a standalone product. I haven't tried it because I have Final Mix running in Tracktion 6 without issue. https://marketplace.tracktion.com/app/tracktion-master-mix-2.html#.Vh7sdCuNCDkFinal mix was some of the crack that many of us got hooked on with Tracktion, so it is not surprising that the Tracktion guys have made a standalone VST of a similar stripe - the visuals and controls seem identical based on screenshots. I'm not sure I like the Tracktion 6 workflow as much as T3 and previous editions - but there are loads more features which I haven't yet learned. I will say that the elastique pitch and time stretching algorithm has been nice for band rehearsal purposes. I think that's the same algo that is included in PG products. One would also wonder if 'extortion fee' is appropos given the very reasonable price of Tracktion that is in the same range as new release upgrade prices of PG and other DAW products, even on the low side given feature set comparisons to other software. -Scott
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Josie,
If you think talking to Greg Mackie would help, I'd be happy to email him. We still chat regularly. I imported electronic component parts for Greg for many years. My company was Marketech International. I imported for all the 'biggies' of that era.
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Josie,
If you think talking to Greg Mackie would help, I'd be happy to email him. We still chat regularly. I imported electronic component parts for Greg for many years. My company was Marketech International. I imported for all the 'biggies' of that era.
Don Hey Don - I still have my Tapco 6001R, which I believe was Mackie's first mixer design under the Tapco name. Still works too!  Maybe you put the components into that one. Regards, Bob
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As Robh said (and thanks for the complement Rob) I work all the time in RealBand and PowerTracks, despite having Protools, Reaper, Logic, Cubase and Harrison mixbus at my disposal.
In my experience, the people who think RB has limited functionality haven't spent enough time with it. It will do most of what the major DAWs will do, plus quite a lot of things on top. The mixer, in particular, is amazing. For a start, you don't have to configure it, add tracks, or use a template - it's all there and ready straight out of the box. You've got 48 automated stereo tracks, eight automated effects sends, VST settings recall, eight effects busses which can be routed anywhere and sixteen sub-groups. The whole thing comes with real-time or node based automation.
Add to this the ability to generate or regenerate all or part of a realtrack without leaving the program and it's a winner.
Having said all that, I'm a great believer in people using whatever suits them, but as long as it's not just because they didn't know there was something better.
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Josie,
If you think talking to Greg Mackie would help, I'd be happy to email him. We still chat regularly. I imported electronic component parts for Greg for many years. My company was Marketech International. I imported for all the 'biggies' of that era.
Don Hey Don - I still have my Tapco 6001R, which I believe was Mackie's first mixer design under the Tapco name. Still works too! Maybe you put the components into that one. Regards, Bob Bob, I remember that mixer very well. I did import some of the parts, as I recall. They were built like tanks and could easily double as chocking blocks for a 747. TAPCO (Technical Audio Products Corporation) at that time consisted of Greg Mackie and Martin Schneider, period. They worked out of and old, rickety, 2-storey house overlooking the Ferry Terminal in Mukilteo, Washington. In about '73, they sold out to competitor, EV Game, who let it die out. It's rumored that Greg and Martin walked away with 7 digit$ to split. Martin started a silkscreening operation, Precision Screen Graphics in the same industrial complex as Greg's Audio Control.Greg was smart enough not to sign a non-comp agreement so many of Greg's genius designs were found in Audio Control Corporation products. I think Greg was a genius and Martin was equally brilliant. I supplied every transformer, pot, knob, condenser mic element, RCA jack, etc. for Greg.
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Hey Guys, I don't know how this old post got resurrected. Thanks to all for the new info. At first it was really hard to switch and I missed the Tracktion plugins and work flow that I was used to very badly. I got over it. Now, after almost two years, I'm very happy with Reaper and have zero desire to learn another DAW.
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Hey Guys, I don't know how this old post got resurrected. Thanks to all for the new info. At first it was really hard to switch and I missed the Tracktion plugins and work flow that I was used to very badly. I got over it. Now, after almost two years, I'm very happy with Reaper and have zero desire to learn another DAW. Josie, You make a strong point - reluctance to change. It gets stronger with age. I have yet to explore and learn RB. I and Mac (our own Mac) helped develop N-Track Studio and I'm still using that and Audacity which do everything I need. I keep telling myself that I need to start using RB but reluctance, at my age, is a very powerful force (aka inertia). Sad when we reach the point in life where struggling with dated technology is easier than "learning a new trick".
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FYI, Tracktion 4 is free on the www.tracktion.com website.
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Scott, it looks like trialware.
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Out of curiosity I downloaded Traction 4 and it is actually free, though there is a few hoops to jump through such as creating an account etc but its registered ok all free.
Not sure though If I would put much effort into learning it.
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