I'm working on entering notes for a melody line. Outside of biab, a tie is defined as linking to notes together, but in biab, ties are put in automatically. For me, that automatic tie that is put in biab is in the wrong place, according to the existing sheet music that I am looking at.I would like to position it in a different spot, but so far, Ive looked all over biab and cant find where to change it.
BIAB will automatically extend each note until the next note (unless there is a long space). I'm assuming you are doing your notation entry using a mouse.
You can click on a checkbox for Rest and enter that to prevent a tie.
If you give us more detail about the melody you are trying to enter, we can get more specific.
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I couldn't get your link to work. Can you check and try again?
You can also embed a link into the post directly, using the second button from the left (next to the smiley face), when you create/reply to a post.
Hope this helps
Cheers Trevor
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You can also directly attach your screen capture to the post, click the File Manager link below where you are entering your post, search for and add the image file.
HTH Cheers Trevor
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Try this. If it doesnt work, I can try your other suggestion.
Thanks, Shannon
Still no good for me. Maybe try the other method?
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Band In A Box approaches notation entry very differently from any other program. Once you get the hang of it, it's a very efficient process.
Essentially, don't worry about the tie. When in notation mode, just click on the beat of part of the beat that you want the note to be on. BIAB will look after the note values when you select the subsequent note. If you want a rest, as Matt has said, simply click on the "Rest" checkbox and then click on the beat or part of beat that you'd like to have as a rest. Again, when you add the subsequent note, BIAB will automatically adjust the timing.
In relation to your diagram above, if the second E is deleted, the tie will become the red one you indicate.
Hi Shannon, exactly as per Noel's good advice, these are the steps:
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Thank you for written instructions and your efforts. I already watched that video several times before coming here. Last night, when I put the post here, I was having a real difficult time with the notes. Without doing anything with the notes, I looked at the notes again today and what I was having difficulty with, is no longer a problem. It fixed it itself. Im wondering if, when I went to save my work last night, if the notes shifted a bit when I went to save. Who knows. If something happened like this again, being the notes are giving me fits like last night, I will come back here to this post.
I do have another small question though. From the existing sheet music that I am entering into biab, I am entering the exact notes. From the existing sheet music, the notes plays fine on a keyboard, but when I enter it into biab, that same last note in the 3rd measure (that was playing fine on keyboard), sounds like it is an extra note that shouldn't be there. Almost there is a glinch in biab.
Overall, I am concerned about the ties in biab, or lack thereof, because aren't ties, linking one note to the second note suppose to sound like a continuation of the 1st note? So if biab decides not to put a tie in the biab sheet music, when the tie is originally there on the existing sheet music....do u see my point? I have a measure like that, and I went into "chord options" under "rests" and put a "hold chord" and the biab song still sounds not right, glichy. Have you run across something like that before?
I do have another small question though. From the existing sheet music that I am entering into biab, I am entering the exact notes. From the existing sheet music, the notes plays fine on a keyboard, but when I enter it into biab, that same last note in the 3rd measure (that was playing fine on keyboard), sounds like it is an extra note that shouldn't be there. Almost there is a glinch in biab.
Check the MIDI data to see if there is an extra note.
This might be determined by whether a Swing or Even style has been selected. Maybe there is a double note. In image 1: below, I entered your notes over a Swing style, 2: shows the MIDI data note positions for the Swing Style 3: below, I entered your the same notes over an Even style, 4: shows the MIDI data note positions for the Even Style. Note the timing position of the E5 now.
It's worthwhile checking the MIDI data for any duplicated notes.
Originally Posted By: shannon88
Overall, I am concerned about the ties in biab, or lack thereof, because aren't ties, linking one note to the second note suppose to sound like a continuation of the 1st note? So if biab decides not to put a tie in the biab sheet music, when the tie is originally there on the existing sheet music....do u see my point? I have a measure like that, and I went into "chord options" under "rests" and put a "hold chord" and the biab song still sounds not right, glichy. Have you run across something like that before?
Did you mean Chord Hold as in "C..." ? That shouldn't affect the position or playback of your MIDI note data.
If it is from the MIDI notation, this could depend on how you are entering your data. If it is step entered (manually entered) if might look OK but sound 'mechanical', unnatural if you like. Muso's rarely play exactly on the rigid timing positions that a notation score shows - especially in Swing Styles.
The data entry in BiaB is rather unique, essentially it 'assumes' a note is meant to keep playing until it encounters another note, or encounters a rest. This way, you don't have to enter note length, just pitch, the rest takes care of itself (largely) as further notes are added. It takes a bit of getting used to, but overall works relatively OK.
I wouldn't put too much emphasis on the Ties and positions of same. For MIDI data, the program will play notes exactly where Note ON events occur, regardless of ties. There's no MIDI data for Ties.
HTH
Cheers Trev
BTW: Matt, Good pickup on "Name That Tune" !
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There are also a couple of other ways that will let you see and adjust notes ...
Alternative way 1
Have to have a look at the bar in Piano Roll mode. If you want to, you can lengthen or shorten the note there, too.
If you place the mouse cursor at the end of the note in Piano Roll Mode (#1), it's possible to drag the note and make it longer or shorter (#2).
Alternative way 2
Have a look at Staff Roll Notation Mode. This is beside the Note Entry Mode when in Notation Editor. It's a really powerful way of entering notes and you can use the right mouse button to drag the note to any length you prefer.
Place the mouse cursor in the middle of the note-head, press the right button and drag to the right to create the desired note length. The blue horizontal line indicates how long the note is.
Overall, I am concerned about the ties in biab, or lack thereof, because aren't ties, linking one note to the second note suppose to sound like a continuation of the 1st note? So if biab decides not to put a tie in the biab sheet music, when the tie is originally there on the existing sheet music....do u see my point?
Thanks, Shannon
Shannon, I missed answering part of your request. The curved line joining notes together has two very specific functions:
1: If the curve joins two notes of the same pitch, it is referred to as a Tie, and the second note is not played, but the time of the first second note is added to the first note (the length of play is extended).
2: If the curve joins two notes of different pitch, the second note is played, but the line identifies a 'slur', indicating that all of the notes contained within the slur should be played smoothly, connectedly, 'legato' in style.
In your example, we have been referring to "ties", so the second note should definitely not play.
Are you seeing 'tied' notes in your notation, and the second note on the same pitch also plays?
If so, can you send the BiaB Song file (PM me if required). It will be interesting to investigate.
Cheers
Trevor
Last edited by VideoTrack; 01/29/1409:44 AM. Reason: 'first' incorrectly used instead of 'second'
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Sorry it has taken me so long to get back to the forum (due to a bad cold) to thank you for all your help! With all of your help, it makes alot of sense now! Thank you again!
Overall, I am concerned about the ties in biab, or lack thereof, because aren't ties, linking one note to the second note suppose to sound like a continuation of the 1st note? So if biab decides not to put a tie in the biab sheet music, when the tie is originally there on the existing sheet music....do u see my point?
Thanks, Shannon
Shannon, I missed answering part of your request. The curved line joining notes together has two very specific functions:
1: If the curve joins two notes of the same pitch, it is referred to as a Tie, and the second note is not played, but the time of the first second note is added to the first note (the length of play is extended).
2: If the curve joins two notes of different pitch, the second note is played, but the line identifies a 'slur', indicating that all of the notes contained within the slur should be played smoothly, connectedly, 'legato' in style.
In your example, we have been referring to "ties", so the second note should definitely not play.
Are you seeing 'tied' notes in your notation, and the second note on the same pitch also plays?
If so, can you send the BiaB Song file (PM me if required). It will be interesting to investigate.
Cheers
Trevor
Hi Trevor,
Areas were they are tied together on the existing sheet music, Im unable to duplicate the two notes that are tied when I enter them in the notation window. I know about the staff roll and that is where I do most of my entering (notes). So I know about the horizonal lines, in increasing them and decreasing them to make a longer or short note. Ive tried everything I can think of to tied the two notes together. A few times in works, but most of the time it does not work so it throws off the song. Ive experimented alot during the tie situation, learned alot in the process, but still cant figure it out. ..And there's no rhythm or reason for this. It should work every single time, but does not. Any more suggestions? I'm heading over to the piano roll to see if that works, although I have my doubts.
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