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At the end of the day you are pretty limited to what you can do with Stereo RealDrums, there should be option to generate intros, different endings and fills etc.. there is no button to "Cut Loose" and generate a great drum solo and not be restricted as if playing in a church.
I think soon you will see Super RealDrums that will be Multichannel, do all of this and have a lot more variation to choose from.
They will still of course have Stereo RealDrums for those who don't need or want to venture any further, just as you still have a choice of Midi Drums over RealDrums.

With just this you are limited, don't get me wrong they are great but not the end of the story.


If they had multichannel flac ogg wma that would be great because those how just want stereo drums can leave them as they are and those who want more control can split them to multitrack as you can do in Audacity Cubase Reaper etc..
8_channel_Drums_stems_8channel.wma
8_channel_Drums_stems_8channel.ogg
8_channel_Drums_stems_8channel.flac

8chDrumsWMA.zip
8chDrumsOGG.zip
8chDrumsFLAC.zip

I was just watching "History of The Eagles" Glenn was saying when they recorded in England with Glyn Johns they had no control over the recording or producing. In the States they found Bill Szymczyk and the first thing they asked him was "do you mind if we put a mic on each drum so we have more control over the mix" Bill replied "sure no problem"

"I think soon you will see Super RealDrums that will be Multichannel, do all of this and have a lot more variation to choose from."



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From your mouth to PG's ear!

This sounds great but consider this, file size, file size and file size. How many tracks are we talking here? 6? 8? 10? That means you're tripling or what octupling the file size? And, remember putting a mic on each drum for more control is fine but it's still not separate discrete drum parts, there will be tons of bleed through from the other drums. "Some" control does not mean perfect, clean control over each part of the kit.

Bob

Did you measure the file size of the 8Chwma/ogg/flac compared to a stereo file.

No one records drums straight to stereo that's why Don wanted a mic on each drum: Don on drum mics

If you have some some multi track drums you have recorded and you have problems with bleed and mixing them just use Slate or Drumagog that's what most of the studios use around here. You don't have to give up and use PG Stereo Drums.


Hey bob come up with some ides Man, don't knock things all the time, by all means suggest an alternative idea unless you are completely happy with the PG Stereo drums because you had a few problems when you recorded drums.

Sigh. Here's Bob's mantra one...more....time:

"Audio is not midi, midi is not audio. Ommmmmm"

Slate and Drumagog are drum samplers triggered via midi. In addition Drumagog is sort of like Melodyne in that you can convert an audio drum hit to midi and then change the part to whatever you want. All that is very cool, I happen to like Jamstix but those are midi not Real Drums. RD's are recorded AUDIO tracks NOT MIDI.

This is Real Drums:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ErOej1PJeW8

This is midi drums:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lWOte-BbEHA

When I talk about Real Drums the first video is what I'm talking about. Put all the mic's you want on that drum kit and let Neil wail away, you won't get a lot of separation. You can't go back in and change anything except for mixdown EQ and compressors type stuff. You're not changing the hi hat to a ride or changing the kick to something else. That is not a midi kit.

Got it now?

Bob

Hey Bob if you have 8 tracks of recorded REALDRUMS what do you do with it ?
You have to mix it down to stereo or SURROUND, OK ?
When you do this do you get someone else to mix it down for you to stereo ?
That is why we have multi track recording DAWs
When we records drums we have separate mics for a reason OK.
Are you saying that no one that has Realband is allowed to have a multi track drum recording to mixdown how they so choose ?

All you seem to do in all your post is PONTIFICATE about:
AUDIO, MIDI, AUDIO, MIDI, AUDIO, MIDI..........
preaching as though you are setting the poor lost and confused souls straight with some Mantra.

Maybe in childhood you were hit for using audio instead of midi, who knows. I know another Bob who was booed off of stage for playing an electric guitar and not an acoustic ! and in my RealTracks I have Electric guitars !


Again Bob PLEASE, where are your new ides to help improve BB/RB Man ????

Do you just want to go on Preaching some worn out Mantra ? a Mantra should lift you up into a heighten state of awareness away from your ego, how's that workin' for ya ?

I think Real Drums are OK, but they would be much better as separate audio tracks. Frankly, I don't think they are very well recorded as they are now. Mic bleed is unavoidable, but with some creative sidechain compression and a competent RE, is can be drastically reduced. File size is definitely a consideration, but I think that the increase in file size would be well worth it. Especially if you're doing Rock or Country.


To actually have a kick I could EQ/compress, a snare with some variation (rimshots, etc.) a nice fat ride cymbal and a crash with some natural decay would be wonderful.



Regards,

Bob

Actually you do have them for most realdrum styles.
You just have to work for them.

I needed a natural decay on a crash once, so I went looking for it.
At the end of the realdrum wma file was a single hit of each drum/cymbal being used!

So I had my natural decay cymbal; I just had to go get it and implement it.
The question is where do you draw the line?
Solidrock wants separate drum tracks (I'd like that too). I'd also like a sample player that loaded those individual hits in so I could add what I want at any given time using the exact same drum sound .. so many possibilities.

Jammin with my JS-3.6 and EZD2.01 upgrades this mornin and then I find these links. Definitely have my drumin fix for the day. Thanks for sharing.

Every thing that is being requested here can be done with MIDI drums. I have Stephen Slate's SSD-4 Pro and it is fantastic. There is other MIDI drum sound sources that are excellent also.

BiaB's MIDI drum parts aren't too shabby either plus there are many free and purchased MIDI drum loops/parts that you can mix and match. You can put any drum part where you want it plus it is much easier to manipulate the parts and change tempo in MIDI than in audio, at least it is for me.

Just my thoughts.

Never one to avoid the fray....

I prefer the simple path.... whatever works best for me.

And since I'm not a drummer, and don't have the room to set up a real kit nor the time to learn drummer things and skills.....

I use software to git er done. The more the software can do for me as far as the heavy lifting is concerned, the happier I am.

I don't recall having people comment in a negative manner about the drums I use, so they must be working and sounding OK.

"At the end of the realdrum wma file was a single hit of each drum/cymbal being used!"


Rharv,


Assuming that these are present on the Audiophile WAVs, how did you navigate to the "end" of the file?


Thanks,

Bob

Open it in Media Player .. or open the WMA/WAV file in RB!!

Outstanding!


Thanks.

It was nice of PGMusic to include them for geeks like us.

I admit to taking these single hits, cropping/cleaning them, and assigning them to a sample player .. and then augmenting realdrum tracks with them.
It's yet another hidden gem in the system.

/I ain't giving away all my secrets. I probably forgot half of them anyway.

It wold be great they had all individual hits when they were recorded you could use them in a sampler to create custom parts in the realdrums track fills intros endings etc.. but they are combined:

Shot,0,40,-1,259,1,110 ;kick
Shot,0,40,259,189,3,100 ;snare
Shot,1,40,449,581,1,80 ;crash and kick 1
Shot,1,40,259,189,3,100 ;snare
Shot,1,42,71,580,2,80 ;crash and Snare
Shot,1,43,172,392,7,90 ;crash2 and kick

"I ain't giving away all my secrets. I probably forgot half of them anyway."



That's OK. I'll forget about the whole thing by tomorrow.

Forget what?

Solidrock, what we have here is a failure to communicate. This is an internet forum, if we were sitting down in front of a DAW with a couple of beers we would figure this out in like a minute.

Beer is the great equalizer, you know? A couple of beers and we'd be jammin baby, and who cares about this midi/audio crap.

Midi is midi. You already have that with any midi sampler you can name. Why do you care about having single hits from a RD file when there's gazillions of them all over the internet not to mention all the killer kits in all the different drum software like Jamstix, EZDrums, Steve Slate, all those. That's what midi drums are, single drum hits. If anything the very clean individual hits in those drum programs are cleaner than trying to extract single hits from a RD file.

Think of it this way. You're a southern boy I'm sure you like the Allmans. Play Elizabeth Reed and think wow I would love to have that kick from that recording. Even if you had access to that drum track from the original record, how would you extract the kick?

Please think about that a minute. You're sitting in Greg's studio at his home, he has his masters and he loads up just the drum track from ER. How would you extract just the kick? Or the high hat, or the snare. That's what a RD track is, you're asking to just extract a hit from an already recorded full drum track. Why bother with that when there's tons of hits from every drum kit ever used in the history of recorded music as a midi file.

RD's are audio, not midi.

Now the question is ok, why not record the full RD kit using 8 tracks? Great how do you get acceptable separation so you can use the individual hits that are clean without cymbal or snare or kick bleed through in the mic? Yes, you can get it sort of clean but not clean enough to be able to use that snare hit for example in an entirely different song. There's going to bleed through so the rhythm and style being used in that track is going to be in your new song and you don't want to hear that, all you wanted was just that snare hit. I'll admit while I'm fairly experienced with this stuff, I'm certainly not a pro recording engineer but I seriously doubt you can record a full drum performance like that Neil Peart solo I posted and after the fact be able to extract individual parts without still hearing his solo in the background.

This is why I posted my mantra you seem to take exception to.

I'm not saying Real Drums are the be all end all. Hell no, that's why I have Jamstix plus different sequencers plus Melodyne plus several high end keyboards that can all create pretty solid midi drum tracks. I mix and match midi and audio parts all the time.

Midi is not audio. You can do anything you want with midi but not with audio. Audio is limited, once you've recorded something as audio what are your options to change it without turning yourself into a real wizard?

I'm dyin here, it's hot and humid on the beach today. Time for another beer, want one?

Peace bro,

Bob