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Hi. I'm Jerry Plemons a newcomer to BAIB, former trumpet player and arranger. I have BIAB 2014.
My question is this: I would like to use a Real Tracks selection, like tenor sax or trombone (played by a real player) to play the notes that I wrote. I don't want BIAB to generate the track. Is there a way to have Real Tracks instruments play my notes?
Many thanks in advance for your help,
Jerry
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Hi Jerry!
Realtracks does not work that way. Its more like handing a horn player a sheet with just the chords on it. The RT player will follow your chords by playing appropriate notes that it chooses.
You can enter and save notation to the Melody and Soloist tracks. These notes will be played through the synth of your choice.
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Welcome Jerry. Good advise so far.
I notice you are an arranger. BIAB has a MIDI feature I find useful that generates harmony automatically. You can do octaves, four-part, drop 2, parallel fourths, Jazz Messengers style, whatever - over 100 choices (and I only cited some jazz ones; there are many appropriate to other music genres).
Pro trumpet player here too.
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Thanks for the quick answers. All I have is a fast Windows 7 Pro PC with 12gig of Ram and a terabyte of disc space and a Real Tech HD Audio card. By synth, is that a keyboard device (like a portable electric piano, that has a MIDI output)?
I don't have synth yet, but I would like to have something that can produce realistic Trumpet, Trombone, and Sax sound as well as some good strings. The built-in Real Drums, Real Bass, and Real Guitars do an amazing job for the rhythm sections, but I would really like some believable horns. Can you recommend a synth or other device to help my arrangements that isn't too expensive?
As you can see, I'm a real newbee at this. I even have a lot of questions about the BIAB system - like why does the wav output not get all the channels or recognize mutes,etc/
Thanks so much for your help. I'll probably nag everyone crazy asking questions.
Jerry
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Hey Jerry, welcome to the world of Biab and digital audio. To a noob, it's very tricky and confusing stuff.
First, the Real Tracks. They are prerecorded audio files of phrases. They cannot be broken down into single notes, only phrases. The phrases tend to be from one to four bars long. Imagine if you had the horn track only from one of Tower of Power's songs. One phrase might go something like Baa(2-3}ba //ba ba BA baba// That's a prerecorded two bar phrase and that's also what a RT is. Obviously you can't take that prerecorded TOP phrase, put it into Biab and expect that phrase to somehow play what you wrote. It's simply a prerecorded track.
The absolute magic of Biab is all the RT's are full of these phrases and somehow Biab can take the chords your wrote along with the style information and parse all those different phrases together to create a complete track for you, BUT it's still phrases, not single notes. AND not only that, if you regenerate Biab will give you a completely different track from the first one by changing the way it puts the new track together using the same RT phrases. We will have Biab regenerate many times in order to have it come up with a part we like for a particular tune. That's great and all but the big weakness is Biab does it IT'S way not YOUR way. If you want to write exact parts then you have to use midi and synths. And that takes us to...
The second point which is your comment about getting high quality horn sounds to work with. All I can say is welcome to the club. This is what all of the more expensive synth packages are all about. The best ones cost upwards of several thousands of dollars. Basic cheap synths like the Coyote Forte for $40 are fine for basic arranging just to get your song together but to finalize a project to make it sound pro quality you need something like Kontakt or Omnisphere plus a whole lot of knowledge and experience in using them. It ain't easy, that's why people who can do that are called recording engineers.
Native Instruments makes Kontakt and they have a sound library called Session Horns. It's awesome but the regular Kontakt synth by itself is about $5-700 then Session Horns is sold separately for another $300. They do have sales and combo packages from time to time but as you can tell, this is not something you can do for a hundred bucks. You have to treat this like any other worthwhile hobby. People spend thousands on golf or remote control model airplanes for example.
The other possibility is to buy one of the top pro level keyboards that have like 2000 sounds in them. If you play keys as well as horns, that could work too, you just hook up to your computer using a midi or USB cable and Biab will play the sounds from the keyboard. That's called using a hardware synth as opposed to a software synth. Both have their plusses and minuses.
There's way more to this I could write about but this should give you enough to think about for now.
Bob
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As others have said: No. This is the truth -- but only 98 percent of it. Depending on your written melody you might be more or less successful for various parts of your song. What you can do is: 1. Create a chord progression with the right color tones to "force" the RealTrack into your melody. 2. If you are happy with a result, freeze that track an import it in RealBand. 3. If you're not happy either re-generate the song or go back to #1 an tweak your chord progression. You still might need Melodyne or an occasional midi-sequence of one to four notes to finalizs the track. Peter Gannon explained the latter here: http://www.pgmusic.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=113955&Searchpage=1&Main=17769&Words=Bass&Search=true#Post113955Guido
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Hi. I'm Jerry Plemons a newcomer to BAIB, former trumpet player and arranger. I have BIAB 2014.
My question is this: I would like to use a Real Tracks selection, like tenor sax or trombone (played by a real player) to play the notes that I wrote. I don't want BIAB to generate the track. Is there a way to have Real Tracks instruments play my notes?
Many thanks in advance for your help,
Jerry
You can drag any realtrack sax or trombone into Riffstation. There is a Sax at the end of the video. http://www.pgmusic.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=256480#Post256480
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BiaB comes with a basic version of Sample Tank, which is one of the more powerful software synths. It can do a lot, but there is a leaning curve. The learning curve is worth it because you will learn stuff you need to know if you are going to get into the more advanced stuff like Kontact.
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I should have written this earlier: BiaB Comes with a more basic soft synth called "Coyote Forte." It is quite serviceable, and learning how to use it will lead into the basics of MIDI implementation and related topics, which you have to know before you move on to the more advanced stuff.
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Thank you all for your comments and recommendations. I'll try Coyote and maybe add a keyboard. Any recommendations for a good keyboard would be appreciated.
This is a great forum and I've got a lot of browsing here to do that I'm sure will help a lot.
Jerry
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Jerry, start a new thread in the Off-Topic forum and write in the post title that you are looking for a keyboard.
Garry Curran on this forum is a great resource person on keyboards.
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Absolutely you can start a whole discussion about it but basically it's the same as what I wrote about softsynths. You can get decent sounding consumer keyboards at Fry's or music stores for $2-300 and they really don't sound too bad. Beyond that the sky's the limit. I have a whole collection of pro level stage keyboards, each one was about $2,500-$3,000 new.
Mo' money = better sound just like everything else.
Bob
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