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Hey guys, just ran into a problem. I'm an old old Ventures fan and have these 69 Venture Midi files created by Don Walker (no relation). Opened them up in BB and imported them through the Head Phone jack to my Jam Man XT Solo in order to jam along with the ones I know and learn the ones I don't know. However, they are not in the key BB says they are in. They are slightly off. For instance, Sleepwalk is suppose to be in the key of C in the midi file but it exports out to somewhere between Db and C but not right on the Key of C. Is there a way in BB to make sure that they (the midi files) are in the correct key, in other words, can I tune them up to a full C chord, or do I need another piece of software to do this? Thanks for you help in advance.
PS> Right now, I'm just adjusting my guitar to compensate, but I'd rather not do that.
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I've heard of a similar problem with audio files when the sample rate was 48 KHz instead of 44.1, and the pitch is off between two and three steps high. But MIDI? I don't know how a MIDI file could have that problem. I'm not in front of BIAB at the moment but check out MIDI Monitor or something like that, I think it's in the Windows menu. Look for some control code at the beginning of the file. Still, in MIDI, it could only be off by a half-step or full step, nothing in between (I think).
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Further thought. What's your MIDI sound source? Does it have a mixer with a pitch control setting, as a keyboard might?
Or is the Jam Man XT looper playing MIDI? If so, in the Setup menu, is there a pitch control?
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they are not in the key BB says they are in. They are slightly off. For instance, Sleepwalk is suppose to be in the key of C in the midi file but it exports out to somewhere between Db and C but not right on the Key of C. Is there a way in BB to make sure that they (the midi files) are in the correct key, some thoughts import the file in realband see if you gut the same results check the event List to make Sure the notes are all in the key use musescore as an alternate MIDI program to verify
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Check for pitch bend data in the MIDI files. That is another way to get a MIDI file's pitch shifted by less than a semitone.
If possible could you upload a file ? I would be glad to take a look at it.
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Hi David, Under the "GM" menu, there is an option for "Master Tuning".  This may or may not help as it is dependent on the soundcard you have. Some soundcards do not respond to the master tuning option. Some other thoughts ... 1. Have you tried disconnecting the effects pedal and double-checking that the midi is still out of tune. 2. Try opening the midi in Windows media player (or other audio program) and check that the pitch is still different. 3. What do you use to tune your guitar? Is the tuner set to A = 440 Hz? Hope these ideas help. Regards, Noel
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Matt,
Thanks for your reply. I'm using a Sound Blaster FX soundcard for output. I'm taking the sound from the headphone jack directly into JamMan XT Solo Looper pedal. I've never checked to see if it has a mixer with a pitch control setting, but I will.
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MarioD. Thanks for your reply. I have never uploaded a midi file before so I don't know how to get it to you. If you do a search for free Midi files Sleep Walk by the Ventures you can download it there. Same file. You'll see midi files by the Ventures from Don Walker. Select the Sleep Walk File to download. Or, you can send me an e-mail link and I'll send it to you that way. Thanks for your help. my email address is hdw493407@yahoo.com
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Found GM as you suggested. How do I know if output is in tune and how much (semitones) would I have to raise the pitch? I would assume I would connect a tuner to headphone jack and adjust for there. Is that correct? Thanks for your help. As you can see by my responses to Matt and Mario, I don't know how to answer you all on one page in the forum. Sorry about that. Thanks again.l\
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1. Have you tried disconnecting the effects pedal and double-checking that the midi is still out of tune.
2. Try opening the midi in Windows media player (or other audio program) and check that the pitch is still different.
3. What do you use to tune your guitar? Is the tuner set to A = 440 Hz?
Noel, just to answer the above questions. 1. I plug it directly to the JamMan xt solo and plug my headphones into phone jack of JamMan. No change. 2. Tried Windows media player and BB at same time, no change in pitch was detected. I use a Boss Guitar tuner to tune all my guitars and yes A is set to 440 Hz..
I tried turning up the semitones while song was playing but could not tell a difference in pitch. I will try opening in Real Band and see what tuning is like there. Thanks again for yur ideas and help.
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MarioD. Thanks for your reply. I have never uploaded a midi file before so I don't know how to get it to you. If you do a search for free Midi files Sleep Walk by the Ventures you can download it there. Same file. You'll see midi files by the Ventures from Don Walker. Select the Sleep Walk File to download. Or, you can send me an e-mail link and I'll send it to you that way. Thanks for your help. my email address is hdw493407@yahoo.com David, sorry to report this but I did download the file and it plays in the key of C perfectly. So ether you got a bad download or something at your end is changing the pitch. I will send you a PM.
I think my wife has started to show the first signs of dementia.
She said she can't remember what she ever saw in me!
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