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Hallo,
my operating system is Windows 8 and I use the BiaB-version 2012.5. I create songs, which I render with "Render to Audo File" / "DXi - Direct Render (save WAV file)".
This works in the majority of cases.
But again and again (about every 15th song) there are mistakes in the WAV file. The mistake, that mostly occurs, is, that there are notes lacking in the melody track. In few cases there are mistakes in other intrument tracks.
I choose for rendering in this case "One WAV File per Track" and compose the seperate files in another software, which is annoying.
I didn't find a reason for the conditions of this mistake (e.g. certain styles). So I'm desperatly looking for a solution to avoid this mistake. I would be really relieved, if you could give me a hint.
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Interesting problem. When you find a song that does this, does that one song always fail? Or are you saying every so often, it fails on a song at random? If it's a specific song, you could upload the .SGU or .MGU file to some place on the Internet (like Dropbox) and give us a link to it for testing.
And, are you up to date with Build 357?
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Anybody out there, who has an idea?
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Hi tilia, I've tried 'fj4_175.MGU and have listened to the corresponding mp3. The notes that are missing are bass notes. What might be happening is that BIAB is generating some bass notes that are too low and are not supported by your sound card. Have a look under "Opts | Prefs" and then click on the "Arrange" button. Check that the setting for the lowest bass note is "E2".  If that doesn't solve the problem, have you tried "Return To Factory Settings" under the "Opt" menu? I've found that when BIAB starts doing strange things, a factory reset often fixes the problem. Hope this helps, Noel
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Hallo Noel,
thank you for your answer.
If nothing helps, I'm goingt to return to factory settings.
Maybe bass notes are missing, too. But the biggest problem are the lot of missing melody notes (in fj4_175: vibraphone).
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Hallo,
I'd like to add the following information:
I tested it meanwhile on a PC of a friend, who has Band in a box 2014. The same problem occurs.
I tested it also on another PC with Biab 2012.5.
The melody notes are missing, regardless of version and OS.
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I do not use BIAB to render audio/midi to mp3 since I move all more tracks to a DAW for that purpose.
But my systems is up to spec in all areas running current 2014 version of BIAB, so I loaded your fj4_175.MGU file and gave it a listen. Sounds fine. Then I started to render to mp3 and ran into error messages on the conversion steps and could not make the mp3. I guess I now recall why I don't use BIAB for making mp3. A quick search of the forum reveal even the sage advice of our mentor Mac confirmed he don't use BIAB for making mp3's either.
Have you tried rendering to .wav? Do you get all the notes? Once in a wave format there are many options to go to mp3.
Sorry, never mind all that mp3 stuff. I see you are talking waves. So I went back and rendered to .wav. All sounds good as I listen now. the melody in vibes sounds like it is all there? But I don't know the song good enough to know if something is missing.
What sound sythn are you using to render the midi?? I use Coyote Forte. The problem may be there. Can you try a different synth? Oh and for god sakes, please first reset to factory settings as this is always the first to do when anything unusual is happening.
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Hallo Jazzmandan,
thank you for your answer! I use the DXi-Synth, supported by BiaB.
Meanwhile I resetted to factory settings. After I've done that, the problem starts in the measure 20, not in the measure 5 as before, but as you understand that's not much of a help.
Since fj4_145 is not a popular song and you may not hear the mistakes right away, please compare it with the notation window of BiaB.
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tilia,
Does the file play properly prior to rendering it?
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Hallo Noel,
at first, it does, later it doesn't.
See this:
1) I choose from the 24 'Built-in' Styles "Pop ballad" (if the song is in 4/4 time) or "Waltz" (if the song is in 3/4 time).
2) I choose File/Import Chords from MIDI File an import the MIDI-File.
3) I edit the file, e.g. change chords, change verses and so on.
THIS "RAW" SONG PLAYS ALWAYS PROPERLY, without any missing notes.
4) I choose a style.
Afterwards SOME MGU-FILES DON'T PLAY PROPERLY, there are melody notes missing (about every thenth or fifteenth song).
To your question: No, the special MGU-Files don't play properly prior to rendering it. I only take notice of it, after I rendered the song.
Your question makes me think, that the problem is not due to the rendering process, but to some problem in Band in Box itself ...
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So, I played with it a little bit and when I used the Coyote WT synth, there were dropped notes. However, when I used the Cakewalk TTS-1 synth, it played and rendered fine on my machine. Didn't have time to check it deeply, but that was my down and dirty look at it.
Probably not the problem, but another thing to look at is to make sure you don't have melody embellishment turned on, as that can affect the notes played in the melody.
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John has a good tip, check the embellishment settings. While I normally get more notes, like turns or grace notes, it may be possible with the settings to tell BIAB to omit notes in some cases. I'm not at a PC but I think this is either in the Melody or the Play menu.
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Hallo John and Matt,
thank you for your answers.
I consider to buy Cakewalk Music Creator 6 to install Cakewalk TTS-1.
I just wonder, whether other users of BiaB don't have the described problem. I edit neither special songs nor choose special styles. John can reproduce the problem with the dropped notes on his pc. If lots of users would have the same problem, wouldn't PG Music supply another synth than Coyote WT?
Concerning the melody embellishment: it is not turned on.
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You have to realize that the Coyote WT isn't really a true Synth. It's simply a wrapper that makes the built in, high latency, Microsoft provide MIDI Wavetable synth act like a VSTi synth. I imagine that just like folks who have problems using ASIO4ALL as a wrapper for their sound card to get ASIO to work, there are glitches with the synth wrapper, as well.
PGMusic provides is mainly as a means to allow you to use a VSTi synth with their product; however, it really is very basic and the sounds are very good. Most folks get something else.
Even using one of the available VSTi soundfont players along with a good GM soundfont is better than using the Microsoft synth (wrapped or not).
Just a thought...
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tilia, In all my years of using BIAB, I have never once had the problem that's affecting you. I haven't read abaout anything similar on the forums either. I don't use midi files as the basis of my songs, though. I always start from scratch. It makes wonder if part of the problem is somehow related to those midi files and information contained within them. First off, though, could you let me know what you have selected in your MIDI/Audio Driver Setup. (This is located under "Opt | Preferences" and then select "MIDI Driver".  The image above show my settings. I'd like to know how your settings vary in relation to those items I've numbered 1 to 6. (Note that item #3 refers to both checkboxes.) In relation to #4, what is your synth (it's listed in the square brackets)? As you can see, mine is the VSC/DXi synth from Roland. Regards, Noel
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I had asked long ago for what is set in #4. Here's mine. 
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Hi tilia, I listened again to your mp3 tonight with headphones and did hear the missing notes. They seem to happen whenever the same pitch is played in a row. I noticed in the notation window that there is no spacing in the note durations so I'm thinking that maybe the rendering is failing to trigger the second note if the same note ends exactly where the next note of the same pitch begins. When entering melodies into BIAB using the mouse, the duration of the previous note is shorted by some small percentage if I remember correctly. I've modified the melody note duration for your file fj4_175.MGU which you can download here: https://www.dropbox.com/s/tggtpbjcf0wraz1/fj4_175_reduced_note_duration.MGUCould you download and see if that renders correctly for you? I hope that works...if it does the note durations can be pretty quickly edited in the piano roll window by right-clicking to select all the notes and then holding down the shift key and dragging the handle on one of the note ends a small amount to the left to shorten the durations of all the notes. Good luck, Ed
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Hallo, thanks to all! @jazzmandan When you asked for the synth some time ago, I regrettably didn't know enough about this. It took some time to realize, that one can use different synths for DXi/VSTi. @ed This would have been great. I see: Importing MIDI-files results in exact durations of notes, where one note ends, when the next one starts. I shortened the durations of all notes in the piano roll window as you described. After I've done that, the notes sadly are still missing, in the .MGU-file just as in the rendered .WAV-file. However, I wonder, whether this point is part of the problem. By the way, I've problems playing your .MGU-file. Maybe there are incompatiblities between the english and german version of BiaB. @Noel and Jazzmandan Here are my Settings.  For VSTi/DXi Synth Settings I could switch from Coyote WT to SampleTank 2.x, but what I read, this would be not recommendable. As I wrote, I consider to install Cakewalk TSS-1. @Noel You are wondering, whether the midi files could be part of the problem. I create the midi files with a notation software called smartscore. As I wrote, with most of the songs, those midi files work good. tilia
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Postscript:
I ordered Cakewalk Music Creator 6. I think it's worth anyway. As I see, most of you use another synth than Coyote WT.
I will inform you about the results!
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