|
Log in to post
|
Print Thread |
|
|
|
|
|
User Showcase
|
Joined: Nov 2012
Posts: 66
Enthusiast
|
OP
Enthusiast
Joined: Nov 2012
Posts: 66 |
So, been using BIAB for a little while and just pushed this tune out I wrote a few weeks ago. SoundCloud The entire thing is done on BIAB, and was mixed down with Real Band. the vocals are mine (Joe Holt). It was not done using a style. As I pick all the instruments carefully myself. The one lone bass drum is a loop created with Real Band. There is also Youtube video if anybody cares. YouTube
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
User Showcase
|
Joined: Aug 2009
Posts: 3,123
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: Aug 2009
Posts: 3,123 |
Hey Joe,
This is songwriting at its finest, a very well done and enjoyable song, looking forward to more in the celtic style from you.
Musiclover
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
User Showcase
|
Joined: Nov 2012
Posts: 66
Enthusiast
|
|
OP
Enthusiast
Joined: Nov 2012
Posts: 66 |
Well, that's an awfully kind comment.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
User Showcase
|
Joined: Dec 2013
Posts: 7,052
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: Dec 2013
Posts: 7,052 |
Wow!! Beautifully done in every aspect. Amazing song, vocal, arrangement. Works on every level!! Great work! Take care. Greg
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
User Showcase
|
Joined: Jun 2012
Posts: 2,888
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: Jun 2012
Posts: 2,888 |
Hi Joe,
welcome to the forum.
It's a really amazing song.
Great vocals and instrumentation.
Enjoyable listen.
Guenter
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
User Showcase
|
Joined: Nov 2012
Posts: 66
Enthusiast
|
|
OP
Enthusiast
Joined: Nov 2012
Posts: 66 |
Thanks folks for the kind comments, and I appreciate the forum welcome. I write a great deal so I will put more up over time.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
User Showcase
|
Joined: Apr 2013
Posts: 8,751
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: Apr 2013
Posts: 8,751 |
Hi Joe. Welcome to the forum. Nice song and performance. Thanks for sharing. As others have said, this is a well written and arranged song. What actually impressed me the most were your vocals. After viewing The Cumberland on YouTube, I took the opportunity to enjoy some of your other posts with Acoustic Smoke. Impressive. Your vocals and performance are stellar on every video and I encourage the other forum members take time to listen to this song and some of your other posts on YouTube.
Your videos are very tastefully done in a professional appearance and the audio and video mix is really nice.
I got all the way back to your first post where you describe your composer studio and vision for your YouTube channel. It was also on that first post that you credit Ken Tamplin Vocal Academy for you vocal acumen. BiaB helps me with my musical limitations but is little help in masking my vocal talent mediocrity. I've checked out his website and product and will review some more of his Vocal Academy YouTube posts. But, I was wondering how substantially do you think his course helped your vocal progress from your proficiency before taking his course to your opinion to the quality of your vocals after you finished?
Regards,
Charlie
BIAB 2025:RB 2025, Latest builds: Dell Optiplex 7040 Desktop; Windows-10-64 bit, Intel Core i7-6700 3.4GHz CPU and 16 GB Ram Memory.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
User Showcase
|
Joined: Nov 2012
Posts: 66
Enthusiast
|
|
OP
Enthusiast
Joined: Nov 2012
Posts: 66 |
Charlie I so appreciate your encouragement and comments. Bearing in mind, I was a professional singer before I began using Tamplin, He did great things for me. His classes are stage one, two and three. One for beginners, two is intermediate and three is masters full pro. Three is difficult stuff no question. When I purchase his course online I quickly found I was right at the top of his intermediate class. I could do his Master's class as well, but it wasn't easy. His classes are based in an operatic style designed to give your voice flexibility, range and control. Tone and color you have to get elsewhere, or as I did just develop on your own.
Tamplin will easily teach you the basics from body control to range and he does it with a pretty easy to follow format. Any professional singer must be able to do three things: One, there can be absolutely no discernible gap between your chest and head voice. Tamplin is very good and working this. Two, you must have a minimum of a three to four octave range with equal power tone and control at every point in every octave. Tamplin does wonders for this. Three, your vocal pitch control and the speed at which you can change pitches must be nearly absolute. Again, Tamplin totally hits it.
With the main Course comes a vocal workout for each gender and for each stage of the course. This workout is a Godsend for me. Both video and audio versions are included. I put it on my phone and warm up with it every time I go into the studio or on stage. That alone has proven priceless. Even as a pro I never warmed up very well because I confess I really didn't know how, I had been classically trained as a singer but it was so very long ago and I had stopped singing for two decades. If you do as he suggests and simply do the vocal warmup every day, you will move from stage one, to stage two, to stage three very rapidly. In the end, with his course it's really no more complex than just doing those warm ups every day like learning any instrument. They are simple, to the point and effective. One aside, he has kept the 80's metal rocker hair. He tosses it like a woman every few minuets on the videos . . . . drives me nuts, oh well, artists.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
User Showcase
|
Joined: Aug 2012
Posts: 12,715
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: Aug 2012
Posts: 12,715 |
Hi Joe - Welcome to the forum!
A solid write and a very fitting arrangement - good grouping of instruments. Nice build.
Terrific vocal.
Looking forward to more...
floyd
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
User Showcase
|
Joined: Nov 2012
Posts: 66
Enthusiast
|
|
OP
Enthusiast
Joined: Nov 2012
Posts: 66 |
Hey Floyd, I have listened to several of your pieces on here as well. It's some of the better stuff on the forum.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
User Showcase
|
Joined: Feb 2007
Posts: 1,815
Expert
|
|
Expert
Joined: Feb 2007
Posts: 1,815 |
Very nice recording and singing. Excellent use of the BIAB stuff. I watched the youtube version and then went to soundcloud version (must be a good song -- ha, ha).
The thump-thump bass drum didn't fit into the track as well I would have hoped. Maybe it is just a tad too loud. Good singing for sure!
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
User Showcase
|
Joined: Nov 2012
Posts: 66
Enthusiast
|
|
OP
Enthusiast
Joined: Nov 2012
Posts: 66 |
Well, I can see that with the Bass drum. I have a version where it is louder but felt it was too much. The intent was to subtlety suggest an old galley ship rowing drum. Just an emotional thing really. If anyone has a suggestion for maybe a better sounding drum that might fit that bill I would love it.
Thanks
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
User Showcase
|
Joined: Apr 2013
Posts: 8,751
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: Apr 2013
Posts: 8,751 |
Joe, thanks for taking time to give such a complete answer. Very helpful.
LoL; I'll keep a watch out for flying hair if I order the course.
I appreciate you taking time to respond in such detail and look forward to your next original composition.
Charlie
Last edited by c_fogle; 09/08/14 06:15 PM.
BIAB 2025:RB 2025, Latest builds: Dell Optiplex 7040 Desktop; Windows-10-64 bit, Intel Core i7-6700 3.4GHz CPU and 16 GB Ram Memory.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
User Showcase
|
Joined: May 2008
Posts: 5,085
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: May 2008
Posts: 5,085 |
Welcome Joe!
Impressive.
Love the expression in your voice.
Nice arrangement too.
I've never tried looping - isn't it great you could do that right in RB!
Josie
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
User Showcase
|
Joined: Aug 2003
Posts: 3,079
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: Aug 2003
Posts: 3,079 |
Welcome Joe, Your voice is incredibly powerful. The lyrics are wonderful As the others have said this is an impressive song If anyone has a suggestion for maybe a better sounding drum that might fit that bill I would love it. Maybe alternating each hit between a floor tom and a low tom. I look forward to hearing more Alyn
Last edited by gibson; 09/09/14 03:08 AM.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
User Showcase
|
Joined: Apr 2009
Posts: 10,664
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: Apr 2009
Posts: 10,664 |
Hey Joe....
Nice song and good work using BB & RB. Nice writing job. I'd like to see the lyrics somewhere. It's a bit hard for these old ears to understand all the words clearly.
I think the use of period instruments was really well done.
On the kick.... hummmm... it was ok but not quite on the spot as Kemmrich pointed out. Sounded kinda dry... more of a thud than a solid kick. Sometimes you have to think out of the box. I have used a cardboard box, the desk surface with the fleshy part of my closed fist, and yeah, even my drum samples to get closer to the sound I'm looking.
Also EQ, compression and verb needs to be applied. Perhaps even try layering and see how that sounds....in other words... experiment.
I think there are a few country artists that are popular now that are delving back into this period style of music.... The Band Perry being the first one that comes to mind. Listen closely to modern period to see how they use the kick and try to emulate that in your tunes.
All in all, an excellent tune and welcome to the users forum..... looking forward to hearing interesting and enjoyable things from you in the future.
EDIT: since you called this a "demo" are you planning on finishing it? I'm not a big fan of faded endings, I'd rather her the song wrapped up nicely..... although I do fade my bluegrass tribute Ode to Wolf, but of course, my buddy died, so the fade is representative of losing him..... But back to your tune.... I'd like to hear this one in it's finished version..... assuming that you plan to do so.
Last edited by Guitarhacker; 09/09/14 03:27 AM.
You can find my music at: www.herbhartley.comAdd nothing that adds nothing to the music. You can make excuses or you can make progress but not both. The magic you are looking for is in the work you are avoiding.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
User Showcase
|
Joined: Apr 2010
Posts: 5,139
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: Apr 2010
Posts: 5,139 |
This is masterful work. Wonderful marriage of great writing, singing and recording. Where have you been all my life?  I love your other stuff on your site as well (especially "Jonah"). Any plans of a tour? http://acousticsmoke.com/index.htmlRegards, Bob
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
User Showcase
|
Joined: Nov 2012
Posts: 66
Enthusiast
|
|
OP
Enthusiast
Joined: Nov 2012
Posts: 66 |
I believe I share your feelings with both the drum and the fade out ending. In fact, the history channel asked me to write the theme song for one of their up and coming reality shows called "Woodies Fairly Reliable Guide Service." I have the song finished in demo form now, Sound Cloud but I learned a fascinating lesson. They told me they do not purchase Fade out endings, only what they call button endings. I was told that is industry standard for film and TV so I am now writing only button endings but this song slipped in before I learned that. I should probably fix that as you suggest. I totally agree on the drum and yes, I think I will fix that and come up with a complete non demo version of the piece. I will put it up here I think in a couple of days maybe. Also, here are the words: The Cumberland
When wind it wanes and canvas hangs like stiff clothes on a wire,
The seadogs call me prophet; the young pups call me liar.
brave and bold we sailed that old and stormy southern sea.
We raged along the slavers coast, a terror proud to be.
Blooded hands and callused feet, our nerves immune to fear.
We suck on rum like babies thumb cause farmhands dine on beer.
Again the call aroused us all and back to sea we go.
Climb swift the riggings lift and let the salty canvas show.
At last the foe to Hampton Roads, comes our ship to claim.
Their back it shines like metal tin, their short mast billows flame.
We know our loss when broadsides cross and heaven hears our plea.
Now drink deep the salty sleep, we're baptized by the sea.
Pipe all hands to muster, beat to quarters dog the guns
Decks are cleared for action boys now, put 'em to the run.
When the first round struck and glanced the steel nations cried and swore
Our first rounds last of sailings past it put all wooden ships ashore
We couldn't win we shouldn't run, we wouldn't strike the flag
I watched each crew stay fast their gun while the hull turned into rag
The seadogs call me prophet; the young pups call me liar.
She lay the shallows draft to the yards dead with all flags flyin'
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
User Showcase
|
Joined: Dec 2011
Posts: 15,823
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: Dec 2011
Posts: 15,823 |
Well, that's an impressive forum debut. As all have mentioned everything works together well in support of the exceptionally expressive vocal and the fine lyric. Kudos!
Welcome, hang around a while, you might find things you like here and will certainly "meet" some interesting folks.
Our albums and singles are on Spotify, Apple Music, Amazon Music, YouTube Music, Pandora and more. If interested search on Janice Merritt. Thanks! Our Videos are here on our website.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
User Showcase
|
Joined: Nov 2012
Posts: 66
Enthusiast
|
|
OP
Enthusiast
Joined: Nov 2012
Posts: 66 |
Bob, you are far too kind.  Acoustic Smoke just completed their 12 city summer tour for 2014. We run a pretty small area up here in Northern Minnesota from Grand Forks ND in the West to Duluth MN in the East, everything between them and on North to the Canadian boarder. This winter we will be in the studio recording out third album "Woodies Fairly Reliable Guide Service." We are not signed to a record company for this new record, but we are signed to a talent agent and he can keep us pretty busy in the summers up here in the North Land.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Ask sales and support questions about Band-in-a-Box using natural language.
ChatPG's knowledge base includes the full Band-in-a-Box User Manual and sales information from the website.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box 2026 Video: AI Stems & Notes - split polyphonic audio into instruments and transcribe
This video demonstrates how to use the new AI-Notes feature together with the AI-Stems splitter, allowing you to select an audio file and have it separated into individual stems while transcribing each one to its own MIDI track. AI-Notes converts polyphonic audio—either full mixes or individual instruments—into MIDI that you can view in notation or play back instantly.
Watch the video.
You can see all the 2026 videos on our forum!
Bonus PAK and 49-PAK for Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Windows®
With your version 2026 for Windows Pro, MegaPAK, UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, Audiophile Edition or PlusPAK purchase, we'll include a Bonus PAK full of great new Add-ons for FREE! Or upgrade to the 2026 49-PAK for only $49 to receive even more NEW Add-ons including 20 additional RealTracks!
These PAKs are loaded with additional add-ons to supercharge your Band-in-a-Box®!
This Free Bonus PAK includes:
- The 2026 RealCombos Booster PAK:
-For Pro customers, this includes 27 new RealTracks and 23 new RealStyles.
-For MegaPAK customers, this includes 25 new RealTracks and 23 new RealStyles.
-For UltraPAK customers, this includes 12 new RealStyles.
- MIDI Styles Set 92: Look Ma! More MIDI 15: Latin Jazz
- MIDI SuperTracks Set 46: Piano & Organ
- Instrumental Studies Set 24: Groovin' Blues Soloing
- Artist Performance Set 19: Songs with Vocals 9
- Playable RealTracks Set 5
- RealDrums Stems Set 9: Cool Brushes
- SynthMaster Sounds Set 1 (with audio demos)
- Android Band-in-a-Box® App (included)
Looking for more great add-ons, then upgrade to the 2026 49-PAK for just $49 and you'll get:
- 20 Bonus Unreleased RealTracks and RealDrums with 20 RealStyle.
- FLAC Files (lossless audio files) for the 20 Bonus Unreleased RealTracks and RealDrums
- MIDI Styles Set 93: Look Ma! More MIDI 16: SynthMaster
- MIDI SuperTracks Set 47: More SynthMaster
- Instrumental Studies 25 - Soul Jazz Guitar Soloing
- Artist Performance Set 20: Songs with Vocals 10
- RealDrums Stems Set 10: Groovin' Sticks
- SynthMaster Sounds & Styles Set 2 (sounds & styles with audio demos)
Learn more about the Bonus PAKs for Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Windows®!
Video: New User Interface (GUI)
Join Tobin as he takes you on a tour of the new user interface in Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Windows®! This modern GUI redesign offers a sleek new look with updated toolbars, refreshed windows, and a smoother workflow. The brand-new side toolbar puts track selection, the MultiPicker Library, and other essential tools right at your fingertips. Plus, our upgraded Multi-View lets you layer multiple windows without overlap, giving you a highly flexible workspace. Many windows—including Tracks, Piano Roll, and more—have been redesigned for improved usability and a cleaner, more intuitive interface, and more!
Watch the video.
You can see all the 2026 videos on our forum!
Introducing XPro Styles PAK 10 – Now Available for Windows Band-in-a-Box 2025 and Higher!
We've just released XPro Styles PAK 10 for Windows & Mac Band-in-a-Box version 2025 (and higher) with 100 brand new RealStyles, plus 28 RealTracks and RealDrums!
Few things are certain in life: death, taxes, and a brand spankin’ new XPro Styles PAK! In this, the 10th edition of our XPro Styles PAK series, we’ve got 100 styles coming your way! We have the classic 25 styles each from the rock & pop, jazz, and country genres, and rounding out this volume's wildcard slot is 25 styles in the Praise & Worship genre! A wide spanning genre, you can find everything from rock, folk, country, and more underneath its umbrella. The included 28 RealTracks and RealDrums can be used with any Band-in-a-Box® 2026 (and higher) package.
Here’s just a small sampling of what you can look forward to in XPro Styles PAK 10: Soft indie folk worship songs, bumpin’ country boogies, gospel praise breaks, hard rockin’ pop, funky disco grooves, smooth Latin jazz pop, bossa nova fusion, western swing, alternative hip-hop, cool country funk, and much more!
Special offers until December 31st, 2025!
All the XPro Styles PAKs 1 - 10 are on sale for only $29 ea (Reg. $49 ea), or get them all in the XPro Styles PAK Bundle for only $149 (reg. $299)! Order now!
Learn more and listen to demos of XPro Styles PAKs.
Video: XPro Styles PAK 10 Overview & Styles Demos: Watch now!
XPro Styles PAKs require Band-in-a-Box® 2025 or higher and are compatible with ANY package, including the Pro, MegaPAK, UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, and Audiophile Edition.
Introducing Xtra Styles PAK 21 – Now Available for Windows Band-in-a-Box 2025 and Higher!
Xtra Styles PAK 21 for Windows & Mac Band-in-a-Box version 2025 (and higher) is here with 200 brand new RealStyles!
We're excited to bring you our latest Xtra Styles PAK installment—the all new Xtra Styles PAK 21 for Band-in-a-Box version 2025 (and higher)!
Rejoice, one and all, for Xtra Styles PAK 21 for Band-in-a-Box® is here! We’re serving up 200 brand spankin’ new styles to delight your musical taste buds! The first three courses are the classics you’ve come to know and love, including offerings from the rock & pop, jazz, and country genres, but, not to be outdone, this year’s fourth course is bro country! A wide ranging genre, you can find everything from hip-hop, uptempo outlaw country, hard hitting rock, funk, and even electronica, all with that familiar bro country flair. The dinner bell has been rung, pickup up Xtra Styles PAK 21 today!
In this PAK you’ll discover: Energetic folk rock, raucous train beats, fast country boogies, acid jazz grooves, laid-back funky jams, a bevy of breezy jazz waltzes, calm electro funk, indie synth pop, industrial synth metal, and more bro country than could possibly fit in the back of a pickup truck!
Special offers until December 31st, 2025!
All the Xtra Styles PAKs 1 - 21 are on special for only $29 each (reg $49), or get all 21 PAKs for $199 (reg $399)! Order now!
Learn more and listen to demos of the Xtra Styles PAK 21.
Video: Xtra Styles PAK 21 Overview & Styles Demos: Watch now!
Note: The Xtra Styles require the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition of Band-in-a-Box®. (Xtra Styles PAK 21 requires the 2025 or higher UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition. They will not work with the Pro or MegaPAK version because they need the RealTracks from the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition.
Introducing XPro Styles PAK 10 – Now Available for Mac Band-in-a-Box 2025 and Higher!
We've just released XPro Styles PAK 10 for Mac & Windows Band-in-a-Box version 2025 (and higher) with 100 brand new RealStyles, plus 28 RealTracks and RealDrums!
Few things are certain in life: death, taxes, and a brand spankin’ new XPro Styles PAK! In this, the 10th edition of our XPro Styles PAK series, we’ve got 100 styles coming your way! We have the classic 25 styles each from the rock & pop, jazz, and country genres, and rounding out this volume's wildcard slot is 25 styles in the Praise & Worship genre! A wide spanning genre, you can find everything from rock, folk, country, and more underneath its umbrella. The included 28 RealTracks and RealDrums can be used with any Band-in-a-Box® 2026 (and higher) package.
Here’s just a small sampling of what you can look forward to in XPro Styles PAK 10: Soft indie folk worship songs, bumpin’ country boogies, gospel praise breaks, hard rockin’ pop, funky disco grooves, smooth Latin jazz pop, bossa nova fusion, western swing, alternative hip-hop, cool country funk, and much more!
Special offers until December 31st, 2025!
All the XPro Styles PAKs 1 - 10 are on sale for only $29 ea (Reg. $49 ea), or get them all in the XPro Styles PAK Bundle for only $149 (reg. $299)! Order now!
Learn more and listen to demos of XPro Styles PAKs.
Video: XPro Styles PAK 10 Overview & Styles Demos: Watch now!
XPro Styles PAKs require Band-in-a-Box® 2025 or higher and are compatible with ANY package, including the Pro, MegaPAK, UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, and Audiophile Edition.
Introducing Xtra Styles PAK 21 – Now Available for Mac Band-in-a-Box 2025 and Higher!
Xtra Styles PAK 21 for Mac & Windows Band-in-a-Box version 2025 (and higher) is here with 200 brand new RealStyles!
We're excited to bring you our latest Xtra Styles PAK installment—the all new Xtra Styles PAK 21 for Band-in-a-Box version 2025 (and higher)!
Rejoice, one and all, for Xtra Styles PAK 21 for Band-in-a-Box® is here! We’re serving up 200 brand spankin’ new styles to delight your musical taste buds! The first three courses are the classics you’ve come to know and love, including offerings from the rock & pop, jazz, and country genres, but, not to be outdone, this year’s fourth course is bro country! A wide ranging genre, you can find everything from hip-hop, uptempo outlaw country, hard hitting rock, funk, and even electronica, all with that familiar bro country flair. The dinner bell has been rung, pickup up Xtra Styles PAK 21 today!
In this PAK you’ll discover: Energetic folk rock, raucous train beats, fast country boogies, acid jazz grooves, laid-back funky jams, a bevy of breezy jazz waltzes, calm electro funk, indie synth pop, industrial synth metal, and more bro country than could possibly fit in the back of a pickup truck!
Special offers until December 31st, 2025!
All the Xtra Styles PAKs 1 - 21 are on special for only $29 each (reg $49), or get all 21 PAKs for $199 (reg $399)! Order now!
Learn more and listen to demos of the Xtra Styles PAK 21.
Video: Xtra Styles PAK 21 Overview & Styles Demos: Watch now!
Note: The Xtra Styles require the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition of Band-in-a-Box®. (Xtra Styles PAK 21 requires the 2025 or higher UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition. They will not work with the Pro or MegaPAK version because they need the RealTracks from the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Forums57
Topics85,295
Posts790,689
Members39,854
| |
Most Online25,754
Jan 24th, 2025
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Dansk
Deutsch - Windows
Español
Français - Windows
Italiano - Windows
Nederlands
Polski
Português
Svenskt
русский
Japanese
Simplified Chinese
Traditional Chinese
Korean