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Hello all.
Is there any way to convert a Real Drum track to MIDI? I would like to use Addictive Drums within BIAB, but want to use the patterns that BIAB generates.
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Bob
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Nope. RealDrums were recorded from a real drum set (not a MIDI set), just like you would hear if you went to a concert. Extracting the drum parts would be like trying to unbake a cake to its separate ingredients.
Even the RealTracks for which there is notation (and by extension a MIDI version), are just transcriptions that humans did after the fact, so while the transcriptions are very good, your results will vary.
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Hi, sorry to chime in here, but it is actually possible but it requires some money spending and some editing work, get yourself a copy of melodyne editor from celemony load your real drum track into that via rewire (you will also need a daw that supports rewire) then melodyne will determine each pitch of drum note, you can then export as midi to your daw and each note can be assigned to a different midi note no, in addictive drums, or whatever drum vsti you prefer, it will also calculate and write velocities as well, a bit long winded and a bit of money spent, but it is possible, (worth the time and effort, prob not as the midi in most of the drum programs is very good and editable) thanks. Pikey H
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Of course, Melodyne Editor is $399, and after you get the "notes", you'll still have to do a lot of tweaking.
Whether it's worth it is up to the individual, especially given that there are tons of free MIDI drum riffs out there to use already.
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Thanks guys. I'm not into that much tweaking. I just want better drum sounds, and often find the RD's less than inspiring. Plus, I like having the option to mix the kit.
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I guess the obvious question is: "Why not substitute a MIDI drum style for the real drums?" You have at least a thousand to choose from in the existing styles...
Also RealBand has a drum pattern editor that you can use to create custom patterns... and it comes with a LOT of pre-made patterns.... all MIDI
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I guess the obvious question is: "Why not substitute a MIDI drum style for the real drums?" You have at least a thousand to choose from in the existing styles...
Also RealBand has a drum pattern editor that you can use to create custom patterns... and it comes with a LOT of pre-made patterns.... all MIDI I tried to do that in BIAB. It doesn't work. It works in RB?
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Hi Bob, I often use ether AD or EzDrummer, but in that case I just take the patterns created by BIB which often times are pretty good. I understand wanting to edit the drums individually, but I'm not sure that using the midi created from an RD would work very good, but then again never try it.
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Hi Bob, I often use ether AD or EzDrummer, but in that case I just take the patterns created by BIB which often times are pretty good. I understand wanting to edit the drums individually, but I'm not sure that using the midi created from an RD would work very good, but then again never try it.
Good luck
Mike B. Hi Mike. I tried that in RB, but the MIDI drum track was not alligned with the Real Tracks! I'm doing something wrong, that's for sure!
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Two things there's track offset you can use plus the align track feature. Look those up. Also, most of the Biab midi drum parts were recorded by a real drummer on a midi drum kit. I believe there's a symbol in the Biab style name that tells you which ones use midi live drums but I can't remember what it is. Check that out too.
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Bob, AD is a very good drum sound source, as you well know! I have Melodyne Editor and I have in fact once taken a RD and converted it to MIDI. The only editing I did was to find the right AD sound to match the MIDI, i.e. map the drums. The problem was although that the AD MIDI track sounded better IMHO it was the same rhythms as the RD, thus my conclusion was why bother. There are a lot of free and purchased MIDI drum loops out there. I have purchased all most all of Groovemonkee's loops, http://www.groovemonkee.com/Although they are called loops they are really just a few measures of drums that you combine into a complete drum track. I use Toontrack's EZ Player Pro for that; http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/EZplayerPro/?utm_source=MSN&utm_medium=PPC&utm_campaign=audio&utm_term=toontrack_ezplayer_proEZ Player Pro will follow your DAW, I use Sonar, and you can insert and delete drum parts, yes individual drums or complete kits, as measures until you achieve what you want. You then copy the completed drum part to a MIDI track in your DAW. Of course you can modify the part(s) as needed. Also don't overlook BiaB's MIDI drum parts. I have used many of those in my compositions. I hope this helped.
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Bob -
Thanks. I will look into that.
Mario -
That is a lot more work than I want to get into. I use Sonar as well, and would just like to have a decent MIDI drum track that I can assign AD to. I did just try a BIAB MIDI drum part, but it was all over the place when played.
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Mario -
That is a lot more work than I want to get into. I use Sonar as well, and would just like to have a decent MIDI drum track that I can assign AD to. I did just try a BIAB MIDI drum part, but it was all over the place when played.
What do you mean all over the place. I have used BiaB MIDI tracks in AD and all I had to do was to assign the correct drum to the MIDI part, i.e. drum map. BiaB uses a GM drum map while AD does not. The timing was ok though.
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Mario -
That is a lot more work than I want to get into. I use Sonar as well, and would just like to have a decent MIDI drum track that I can assign AD to. I did just try a BIAB MIDI drum part, but it was all over the place when played.
What do you mean all over the place. I have used BiaB MIDI tracks in AD and all I had to do was to assign the correct drum to the MIDI part, i.e. drum map. BiaB uses a GM drum map while AD does not. The timing was ok though. I mean not in time. Offset. Probably something I screwed up. Pilot error. I'll keep trying. Thanks, Bob
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Try this to COMPARE the two.
1) Load a style (Demo song let's say)I used BLUESSH.STY. BluesShuffle Quintet Sw(110-150) for a test.
2) BIAB (2015) Right Click Drums > Force to Drum Tracks to Midi
3) Edit Menu Copy/move (move drums to (say) soloist
4) Insert Addictive Drums on to Soloist
5) BIAB (2015) Right Click Drums > Deselect Force to Drum Tracks to Midi
6) Solo/Mute ect to compare the two.
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Try this to COMPARE the two.
1) Load a style (Demo song let's say)I used BLUESSH.STY. BluesShuffle Quintet Sw(110-150) for a test.
2) BIAB (2015) Right Click Drums > Force to Drum Tracks to Midi
3) Edit Menu Copy/move (move drums to (say) soloist
4) Insert Addictive Drums on to Soloist
5) BIAB (2015) Right Click Drums > Deselect Force to Drum Tracks to Midi
6) Solo/Mute ect to compare the two.
Col Hey Col, Does that work in 2014? I'm still stuck in the past. Regards, Bob
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I don't have that option in 2014. That's that I guess.
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In 2014 you just have to go into the Assign Realdrums dialogue and select use midi for this song.
In both 2015 & 2014 it is probably just using a midi drum style assigned to that particular realdrums set. I'm not suggesting that in 2015 you are getting other than a quicker way to force the midi drums.
The purpose is to just compare Addictive Drums to Realdrums.
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