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Steve I chose Win 7 Pro over Win 8/8.1 because Win 7 Pro has a XP and older emulation modes while Win 8/8.1 does not. Strange, I thought I've seen this conversation before.... Screenshot from my Win8.1 when checking the properties of an executable to launch: 
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Steve thanx for that update. When I purchased Win 7 Pro I had a choice between it and Win 8. According to my PC builder and my brother Win 8 did not have those options. Maybe it was added in win 8.1, don't know but thanx for that information as it puts a completely different vision I had for Win 10.
Now I have to go and wash the egg off my face!
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Now I have to go and wash the egg off my face! Not intended. I'm just pro-technology and like to assist others in any way I can with getting on board with the new....  Now pardon me while I update BIAB/RB. Those patches are a few days old! I'm so far behind.  ....and done.
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Wow! Amazed at all the Win8 haters. It's not that bad! It's essentially Win7 with the metro screen and lack of start button. Operating-wise it's just as robust as Win7. No issues at all.
Is this really a lack of understanding of Win OSs? I realize it's a pain to do software upgrades or reinstalls but I've NEVER had an issue with my music software or drivers due to an OS. don't underestimate the effect those differences can have on one's ability to be productive. I bought my win 8 laptop just before a gig. Time was tight, had to copy all my music stuff to it... Trying to accomplish ANYTHING without the start button and the menu it always provided was enough to make me wish I had bought win 8. When you used to know how to find the cheese, and somebody redesigns the maze, it tends to make the mice frustrated. Once I got a start button and could find stuff again, I'd have to agree it works about like win 7, maybe better. But their original intent was to force us down a road most of us don't want to go. If not for the 3rd party start buttons, a lot of us would have gone back to win 7 instead of adapting.
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really, if PGMusic products ran on UBUNTU, I wouldn't bother with windows at all.
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Once I got a start button and could find stuff again, I'd have to agree it works about like win 7, maybe better. But their original intent was to force us down a road most of us don't want to go. If not for the 3rd party start buttons, a lot of us would have gone back to win 7 instead of adapting. Gotcha, thanks Pat. When I had jumped to the Win8 upgrade some friends had already done so and sent that "Classic Start Menu" app link to me. If I had not had that insight I imagine some frustration would have seeped in. really, if PGMusic products ran on UBUNTU, I wouldn't bother with windows at all. LOL... Yeah, some Red Hat music apps would be nice too.
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For some reason, every time I think about this free Windows 10 upgrade, I think about that STNG episode where the crew plays that free game that takes over their mind.
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...or you could go Borg and be assimilated. 
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Yes, I have Corel Draw, Foxpro; and Visual Basic 3 that all require emulator mode. I currently use Easy Office for most tasks and MS Works for its simplicity.
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For some reason, every time I think about this free Windows 10 upgrade, I think about that STNG episode where the crew plays that free game that takes over their mind. Do you know we are going to get holograqphic headsets for this purpose? called the Hololens http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-30927356:0 Z
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I have no problem with Win 8.1 - I downloaded "Start Menu X" for free and it does what the old XP start menu did. I spend 10 bucks for the upgrade because as a software author, I understand we are underpaid for the amount of time - plus the upgrade gave me some unnecessary but convenient extra functions.
It opens up on the desktop and there is no reason to see the metro interface at all.
Some of the functions of 8.1 are better than 7, and I miss a few things about 7 too, but all and all I think 8.1 is better.
I'll probably go for the 10 upgrade when it becomes available (I'll wait until the cutting edge/bleeding edge is over before installing it though).
I still have a 2002 ThinkPad running onstage with XP, and another newer one in the studio running some old programs.
I've really had no problem with any MS program, but I did avoid Win2000 and Vista because I didn't need a new computer back then and everything wasn't broken - so why fix it?
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Steve, are you running BIAB on Win10 yet? Would very much like to hear a report. Later, Ray
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Don't have Win10 yet but as soon as I do, I will install it. Matt has Win10 but no music software yet.
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I am told win 10 will be free only for the first year. After that a monthly yearly charge will be made. The licensing will be similar to Office 365.
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"...Microsoft used to charge a pretty penny for its operating system, but for the first year at least, the new Windows 10 OS will be a free service for most users. However, Microsoft has yet to fully explain how much it will cost afterwards".
I just feel there has got to be a "got ya" here somewhere.
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I just feel there has got to be a "got ya" here somewhere. Of course there is; it is Micro$oft after all. Consider the net worth of Bill Gates, Steve Balmer, and now Satya Nadella (working to catch up), and you know there's gonna be some dollars flowing somewhere. They didn't get to where they are by giving things away. But, there was a statement in the article about once you have it on your computer, there won't be additional charges. But that's no guarantee of what the future brings. It did also talk about more heavily integrating the cloud. It makes me wonder if they are looking to monetize with cloud subscription fees, as folks look more and more to synchronize their computers and devices. Movies take up a lot of space, and if you want it available on your computer, phone, and tablet, you're probably going to put it in the cloud and stream it, rather than storing it locally. That definitely seems to be the direction things are going. I personally do have a concern about a subscription concept for an operating system. Were that implemented, it means that if you don't pay, you can't use your computer. Think about all the computers that get donated to charity. Those charities are generally not going to be able to pay subscriptions to keep their computers running (which was the whole point of donation in the first place). I suspect a lot more computers will also end up in the dump, rather than on eBay or Craig's List, as folks will balk at paying a subscription fee to keep it running. You can choose which applications to run (free, paid, or subscription), but you need an operating system to just use your computer for anything. Or, it could be the shot in the arm that Linux needs. But I suspect also that if Ubuntu Linux, for example, ever reached the presence of Microsoft Windows, its free days would be numbered. When there's a lot of money to be made, well you know what happens. But this is all speculation at this point. We'll see what the future holds when it gets here.
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Excellent points John, What would happen if you need your data abnd your sub is not valid? Could be a nightmare. Also I have always wondered what happens if someone passes on, do Cloud services simply delete the tata family photos and all?
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I'm not a fan of keeping anything in the cloud without a backup in my possession. I'm not that trusting.
Windows as a subscription service leads one to thinking. It would depend on how much the service costs. Will it balance out with the cost of regular upgrades?. Will it still work if I stop the subscription but just not get supported? Will MS fix it if it screws up during the subscription period???
Of course M$ wants to make a profit. The only reason to be in business is to make a profit. People go to work to make a living. I do think that sometimes the profit is unreasonable for some products, but that's Capitalism. It gives another a chance to under-price with a new product.
I'd go Linux if I could get all the music programs that I like on it. The idea of open source really appeals to me.
With a profit based system, new editions and new features often come for the profit more than the need. With open source the new editions and features come for the need and useless new features are less common.
Of course you have the other side of the coin too. The profit based systems have more incentive to improve the product. Getting a great feature out there before the competition can put your quarterly figures above Wall Street expectations.
So right now, I'm doing a "wait and see" option. Thanks for posting and keeping us updated.
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I found the link for the download for anyone interested. You need to have a Hotmail or some other Microsoft account or you can create one. I'm going to load my laptop up with it and see how it goes. Upgrading from Win8.1. Download Windows 10 Technical Preview
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