A lot of effort goes into correctly determining, validating and reporting these issues. Disappointingly, still unattended to in 2015:
BIAB & RB2026 Win.(Audiophile), Windows 10 Pro & Windows 11, Cakewalk Bandlab, Izotope Prod.Bundle, Roland RD-1000, Synthogy Ivory, Session Keys Grand S & Electric R, Kontakt, Focusrite 18i20, KetronSD2, NS40M, Pioneer Active Monitors.
43. The Minimize Window problem Sometimes, when you minimize the main BAIB window, it's impossible to get it maximized again. Sometimes, it just happen after some minutes, but unfortunately, from time to time you need to end BIAB through the Task Manager (losing all the work you've done) simply because there's no way of getting a response from the program after minimizing it.
44. The BIAB preventing Windows from shutting down Many times, when you close your windows session with BIAB open, the program, instead of asking you if you want to save your work before shutting down the system, shows the Chord Builder window (?) and just prevents the system from shutting down
I think you need a new PC. Over the last 20 years the only problems I've experienced with BIAB have been caused by myself. #42- My BIAB boots up in 3 to 8 seconds. Faster than in BIAB 2014. Ray
Asus Q500A i7 Win 10 64 bit 8GB ram 750 HD 15.5" touch screen, BIAB 2017, Casio PX 5s, Xw P1, Center Point Stereo SS V3 and EWI 4000s.
I think you need a new PC. Over the last 20 years the only problems I've experienced with BIAB have been caused by myself. #42- My BIAB boots up in 3 to 8 seconds. Faster than in BIAB 2014. Ray
My PC is less than three years old, and runs flawlessly all kind of programs (many of them much more powerful than BIAB) without problems.
I've worked for several years as an IT technician and I really know how to tell a software problem from a hardware problem. Wich, in fact, is not very difficult in this case, since any kid with some familiarity in modern computing would immediately recognize several problems after working a little bit with BIAB.
On the other hand, if during the last 20 years of use the only problems you've experienced with BIAB were caused by yourself, that's because you're using BIAB in a very limited way, probably just writing a chord progression, choosing a style and pressing play. MANY bugs have been reported in this (and other) forum by MANY people, and only a couple of die hard fans here are constantly trying to deny the obvious fact that BIAB needs a lot bug fixing work.
ADD: There's nothing wrong with user-reported bugs, on the contrary, they are a great help for developers and an essential aspect of the software development process. In fact, many software companies have a dedicated Bug report forum in their web. There's no need to deny them.
A few other users had a similar problem, and found that it was due to an anti-virus program. These programs can block or slow the running of a program.
Here's an example message of someone that had the problem "I tweaked my MSE antivurus to ignore the BIAB program (BBW.EXE) and that dramatically improved my time. Maybe look at something like that."
>> I've worked for several years as an IT technician and I really know how to tell a software problem from a hardware problem. - Sure, but once you determine that it's a software problem, you need to determine what piece of software is causing the problem. My c:\bb\data\FlashMessageLog.txt file reports that my bootup time is 4.7 seconds. - my Bootup time in millseconds =4,777 [3/2/2015 6:51:54 PM]
Please post the top 20 lines of your c:\bb\data\FlashMessageLog.txt file in a message
- Bootup time in millseconds =65,808 [02/03/2015 11:49:50] - Time to Count Plugins in ms =749. Plugins counted=26 [02/03/2015 11:49:43] **** New Session started at : 02/03/2015 11:49:43 - Bootup time in millseconds =7,695 [02/03/2015 5:06:37] - Time to Count Plugins in ms =80. Plugins counted=26 [02/03/2015 5:06:37] **** New Session started at : 02/03/2015 5:06:37 - Running Windows Notepad.exe to display file C:\BB\Data\FlashMessageLog.txt [02/03/2015 4:34:31] - Bootup time in millseconds =8,194 [02/03/2015 4:29:50] - Time to Count Plugins in ms =78. Plugins counted=26 [02/03/2015 4:29:49] **** New Session started at : 02/03/2015 4:29:49 - Time to Count Plugins in ms =566. Plugins counted=26 [02/03/2015 4:29:22] **** New Session started at : 02/03/2015 4:29:21 - Bootup time in millseconds =37,859 [02/03/2015 3:33:59] - Time to Count Plugins in ms =218. Plugins counted=26 [02/03/2015 3:33:55] **** New Session started at : 02/03/2015 3:33:55 - Bootup time in millseconds =76,705 [01/03/2015 23:54:53] - Time to Count Plugins in ms =274. Plugins counted=26 [01/03/2015 23:54:47] **** New Session started at : 01/03/2015 23:54:47 - Bootup time in millseconds =19,007 [24/02/2015 12:15:27]
I've just created an exclusion rule for BIAB in Kaspersky and will report the results here.
Hi Cerio Thanks for the information. I use Norton Internet Security. I generally don't have long boot times, and haven't made any special exceptions in NIS for BiaB (as far as I know)
It will be great to get your results.
Thanks Trev
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I was also experiencing extremely long startup times for BIAB (sometimes about a minute). I just excluded BBW.EXE from my virus scanner, and BIAB now launches much, much more quickly.
I wonder if it's because the program does not "reside" in the registry, nor is in the Program Files folder, and so the virus scanner handles it differently.
John
Laptop-HP Omen I7 Win11Pro 32GB 12TB SSD Desktop-ASUS-I7 Win10Pro 32GB 12TB SATA
I use Trend Micro Internet Security 2015 (it used to be called PC-Cillin). I've used it for probably about 20 years now and have yet to get a virus on my or my wife's computer.
My FlashMessageLog.txt was showing bootup times of 40,000 to 70,000 milliseconds before excluding BBW.EXE. The variance seems to be how long between launches (which I suspect is related to computer caching).
After excluding it, it launches in about 20,000 milliseconds right after a re-boot down to about 5,000 milliseconds for launch time. Plugin-read time is and was relatively insignificant.
John
Laptop-HP Omen I7 Win11Pro 32GB 12TB SSD Desktop-ASUS-I7 Win10Pro 32GB 12TB SATA
Without excluding BBW.exe and BBW3.exe ~12,500mS With excluding BBW.exe and BBW3.exe ~8,500mS
BIAB & RB2026 Win.(Audiophile), Windows 10 Pro & Windows 11, Cakewalk Bandlab, Izotope Prod.Bundle, Roland RD-1000, Synthogy Ivory, Session Keys Grand S & Electric R, Kontakt, Focusrite 18i20, KetronSD2, NS40M, Pioneer Active Monitors.
- Bootup time in millseconds =28,878 [3/4/2015 5:25:27 PM]
Afar excluding in Avast
- Bootup time in millseconds =7,044 [3/4/2015 5:42:20 PM]
Hi JMD, did you reboot the computer in between? First time starts tend to always be slower and subsequent starts on the same Windows session faster because of Windows caching.
BIAB & RB2026 Win.(Audiophile), Windows 10 Pro & Windows 11, Cakewalk Bandlab, Izotope Prod.Bundle, Roland RD-1000, Synthogy Ivory, Session Keys Grand S & Electric R, Kontakt, Focusrite 18i20, KetronSD2, NS40M, Pioneer Active Monitors.
- Bootup time in millseconds =60,384 [04/03/2015 18:56:16] - Time to Count Plugins in ms =1,139. Plugins counted=26 [04/03/2015 18:56:04] **** New Session started at : 04/03/2015 18:56:04 - Bootup time in millseconds =15,398 [03/03/2015 23:11:45] - Time to Count Plugins in ms =94. Plugins counted=26 [03/03/2015 23:11:42] **** New Session started at : 03/03/2015 23:11:42 - Bootup time in millseconds =8,148 [03/03/2015 20:12:48] - Time to Count Plugins in ms =105. Plugins counted=26 [03/03/2015 20:12:47] **** New Session started at : 03/03/2015 20:12:47 - Bootup time in millseconds =9,800 [03/03/2015 19:12:20] - Time to Count Plugins in ms =100. Plugins counted=26 [03/03/2015 19:12:19] **** New Session started at : 03/03/2015 19:12:19 - Bootup time in millseconds =8,483 [03/03/2015 16:25:25] - Time to Count Plugins in ms =172. Plugins counted=26 [03/03/2015 16:25:23] **** New Session started at : 03/03/2015 16:25:23 - Bootup time in millseconds =35,395 [03/03/2015 14:36:07] - Time to Count Plugins in ms =733. Plugins counted=26 [03/03/2015 14:36:04] **** New Session started at : 03/03/2015 14:36:04 - Bootup time in millseconds =7,459 [03/03/2015 13:13:11] - Time to Count Plugins in ms =78. Plugins counted=26 [03/03/2015 13:13:10] **** New Session started at : 03/03/2015 13:13:10 - Bootup time in millseconds =19,686 [03/03/2015 12:35:26] - Time to Count Plugins in ms =117. Plugins counted=26 [03/03/2015 12:35:22] **** New Session started at : 03/03/2015 12:35:22 - Bootup time in millseconds =110,232 [03/03/2015 10:48:14] - Time to Count Plugins in ms =655. Plugins counted=26 [03/03/2015 10:48:08] **** New Session started at : 03/03/2015 10:48:08
Using kasperspky Antivirus 2015 and BIAB 2015.415 here
Hmmmmm A little bit of unexplained variation there.
A few more internal diagnostics might help to narrow down?
BIAB & RB2026 Win.(Audiophile), Windows 10 Pro & Windows 11, Cakewalk Bandlab, Izotope Prod.Bundle, Roland RD-1000, Synthogy Ivory, Session Keys Grand S & Electric R, Kontakt, Focusrite 18i20, KetronSD2, NS40M, Pioneer Active Monitors.
Hi JMD, did you reboot the computer in between? First time starts tend to always be slower and subsequent starts on the same Windows session faster because of Windows caching.
Ya, you are right on that. This item (long and variable startup time) has been around for a very long time. I no longer pay any attention to it. It is just what it is.
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