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Okay, Bob. Sincere thanks for acknowledging that.  R.
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Most of us fall somewhere in between. There is a line between the two that separates musicians from non-musicians So where a person starts/stops being a musician is just a matter of where each of us draws the bar. And the bar seems to be different between you and me.
Since the various definitions of music seem to be open to interpretation, and some actually seem to conflict a bit with each other, I'm afraid we will simply have to respectfully agree to disagree.
I'm not going to convince you that the guy playing pre-recorded loops in Ableton Live is not a musician, and you are not going to convince me he is. And that's OK.
I know for myself, I am always looking to find out how people determine where they stand on things. It's not that I have a problem with that they have a stance, it's more about what it is  My question to you then is, if a different guy/gal stepped up to that ableton live set up, cleared out all of the loops, and said "I'm going to load in some piano samples" NOT LOOPS, individual samples, and proceeded to originate or duplicate a song (your choice). Is that a person a musician? (Hint, in my book, there is no wrong answer here.) Just curious your thoughts. I realize our opinions are not the same. They probably are not as far apart as you may think though! If I didn't care what you thought, I wouldn't even ask in the first place
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TEMPO TANTRUM: What a lead singer has when they can't stay in time.
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1) The goal of discussion isn't to bring everyone in the room to the same opinion... it is to obtain an awareness that is bigger than personal opinion, one based on the thinking of many minds. There is value in that for anyone who wants it.
2) Good discussion is an art form. In order to obtain it there must be "parliamentary rules" that make it possible for people to express their ideas without being punished.
3) All the rules of discussion revolve around preserving the dignity of everyone in the discussion. If you can accomplish that, you can have conversations on any topic without fighting.
4) Without that agreed upon respect what happens is that people seek to "win" by mocking anyone who disagrees with them. Worst case scenario is when mocking degenerates to personal attacks.
5) In the days of the open forums of discussion the ancients really understood the art of debate. They identified and catalogued most (if not all) of the false arguments and explained why they are false. To this crowd it was generally accepted that the person with the weakest argument would be the first to resort to fallacious reasoning or personal attacks. To them such an approach was automatically interpreted as an implied defeat.
My hat is off To all those who have tried to observe the parliamentary rules of discussion. That speaks well of your open-mindedness and respect for people, as well as your respect for clarity in communication. I'm not sure I have EVER seen this expressed better. I'm sure I have violated some of these, but it is never my intent to belittle anyone. Just to be clear on that! I do take the time to read each and every post people make. What many times may look at disagreement, to me, is simply a challenge for "how did you come to that conclusion." Not a challenge, as in, you are wrong. More like, I don't think that way, tell me more...and I may change my mind. I know my reasons why I feel the way I do, and work hard to express them. I find a big enough segment of people haven't put much thought into subjects they have strong opinions on. When asked questions, they can't express why, or really have reasons. This, at times, makes them angry. That is NOT what I am going for...ever! Respect to all in this thread. I've seen threads go MUCH worst, as I'm sure we all have. I'm impressed!
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TEMPO TANTRUM: What a lead singer has when they can't stay in time.
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HTL, you have a lot to say and express yourself well. I also really like that Nev vid you posted. Anybody notice that it ONLY HAS 6 1/2 MILLION VIEWS? I wanted to post a killer vid I found some time ago but couldn't find it. It's an interview with a big name DJ from the UK and it went into detail about all his equipment and how he used it. What was so impressive was it demo'd one song that he did in collaboration with several other artists who contributed vocals and rhythm parts. He then recorded a whole bunch of his own parts and them performed the whole thing. After that another DJ performed the exact same piece but using his setup, not the first guys,and it sounded completely different. Very impressive and it really showed me what's happening in that field of music. I call it modern jazz. It doesn't swing but it's live creativity happening in front of a big crowd and some of it is cool even to this old grandpa. These guys are known for their own sound and style just like our favorite players have their own styles. We just don't listen to the new stuff often enough to tell the difference. Been surfing around YT and found another Nev vid. This one only has 13 million views. I just noticed something remarkable unless I'm missing something. He's actually playing the beat here, there's no click or automatic beat making going on. Here it is: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SAXpBgkXt60I'll admit this isn't my favorite sounds but what he's doing is pretty trick. Bob
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Thank you. That is appreciated my friend I could and will say the same for you. As far as the video, I know what you mean. The dexterity to do that is impressive. I don't know if my brain could do it, lol! He has another video, that is basically a tutorial on how he played that very song. It's very interesting to watch. It shows how he actually plays it all. I appreciate his sense of humor as well. 376,729 subscribers 35,540,369 views Joined Oct 2, 2012 Not bad I didn't discuss as much as I would have liked to during the week, being family and job must come first. That being said, I was looking forward to the weekend when I have slightly more time. But the thread didn't see much activity. I can only assume that it's because...wait for it...they were all out doing their DJ gigs?  And to be clear I, apparently, have NO life!
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I just wish there was a visual somewhere, I don't know maybe photo of someone beating a dead horse. Now that would be funny. LOL
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I just wish there was a visual somewhere, I don't know maybe photo of someone beating a dead horse. Now that would be funny. LOL
It would be ironic. That I had to post asking for people to stop posting pictures of a dead horse... It's not that I don't get it. I would just wanted to continue the conversation with anyone who wanted to. Apparently, that is not allowed here. Others, who are bored with the conversation, both determine when others should be done with it and have no other option of other threads to comment on. It's not like you see me jumping in on threads posting pictures or making comments like that when I feel it's done. I just move on; and those that want to continue the discussion...more power to them. Perhaps we could start a thread for people who like to comment or post gifs of people beating a dead horse? Then when someone gets the urge, they could do so at will
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I posted a new thread about my concerns. Many feel this is beating a dead horse. There aren't more comments, so I feel the conversation is as far as it will go.
Thanks for the insights.
With the new work week, and plenty to do, I will remove myself from the thread.
Sorry to those who thought this was going to far. Lesson learned.
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I don't know about others, but if I'm bored with a conversation, I find it kinder to those who aren't bored to just say 'good bye' and then no longer click on it.
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I just wish there was a visual somewhere, I don't know maybe photo of someone beating a dead horse. Now that would be funny. LOL
It would be ironic. That I had to post asking for people to stop posting pictures of a dead horse... It's not that I don't get it. I would just wanted to continue the conversation with anyone who wanted to. Apparently, that is not allowed here. Others, who are bored with the conversation, both determine when others should be done with it and have no other option of other threads to comment on. It's not like you see me jumping in on threads posting pictures or making comments like that when I feel it's done. I just move on; and those that want to continue the discussion...more power to them. Perhaps we could start a thread for people who like to comment or post gifs of people beating a dead horse? Then when someone gets the urge, they could do so at will To HTL, Sorry man, I just think all this much ado about nothing (in my mind anyway) is quite funny. I "play" music, I don't do brain surgery, so "seriously" excuse me for finding some humor (the dead horses) in this prolonged discussion. I remember when this forum used to be fun, back when I was younger, under 70 or so, lol. In fact if memory serves me correctly that may have been a PG Music slogan, Have Fun! With that said this rather "old juvenile mind" honestly thought the dead horse gifs were funny. PS: I'll may try to be a bit more serious in the future, nahhh that won't work. But please don't take everything said or posted on this forum so seriously. Take care HTL please give the forum and especially the good members a little more time before you give up on both. Later,
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Well said Danny. Always the gentleman!
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......"old juvenile mind" honestly thought the dead horse gifs were funny.
PS: I'll may try to be a bit more serious in the future, nahhh that won't work. But please don't take everything said or posted on this forum so seriously.
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I just wish there was a visual somewhere, I don't know maybe photo of someone beating a dead horse. Now that would be funny. LOL
Later, Danny Keeping to the derived theme (not the OP) I think what's being alluded to, in some posts, is the need for a "balanced" picture, i.e., A picture of someone beating the PERSON beating a dead horse? (just saying ) Larry
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I just wish there was a visual somewhere, I don't know maybe photo of someone beating a dead horse. Now that would be funny. LOL
Later, Danny Keeping to the derived theme (not the OP) I think what's being alluded to, in some posts, is the need for a "balanced" picture, i.e., A picture of someone beating the PERSON beating a dead horse? (just saying ) Larry Larry, I "know" what's being alluded to, and I stand on my original statement above. (Just saying ) Take care,
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