Hi john and larry - thanks so much for continuing to think about this.
John - I tried setting the midi default to SampleTank and got the same bad results.
Larry - yes, I discovered the .dll file for SampleTank a day or two ago but I forgot to mention it so, unfortunately, that's not the issue.
The closest I can get is setting Audio preferences to ASIO. That, at least, will get the SampleTank to play in the synth panel but then it's silent in RB.
BTW I hate ASIO. I can't even play youtube videos or the Windows Media Player when I have RB open with ASIO as the auidio driver.
The problem is not ASIO. You mentioned that you also could not get 32 bit Kontakt to work so the problem isn't jBridge either. The problem is a routing one. It could help us if you would include a few screenshots as maybe we could see the problem.
What soundcard are you using? From what I have read ASIO4all is very good but it can be tricky to set up when using some sound cards. If you are going to record using your keyboard then an ASIO driver is a necessary driver otherwise latency (press a key and a second later hear it) will drive you nuts.
See if your current soundcard has native ASIO drivers. If it doesn't and you are planning on recording your keyboard then you should very seriously consider a new soundcard.
As mentioned ASIO will only drive one program at a time so no you will not be able to use Media Player with RB open if both are using ASIO drivers. This is why I use MME drivers in BiaB and ASIO drivers in Sonar. You would use MME drivers in BiaB and ASIO drivers in RB. Note I would record in RB and not in BiaB.
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I really appreciate the help. Here's some info for you.
Sound card is the one that came with the HP Windows 7 computer by Realtek set to 16 bit 44.1 Hz.
I don't use a keyboard.
Output drivers in RB with MME are Realtek or Microsoft Midi Mapper. I've tried both. Three output driver ports are available when I switch to AISO - Only the first one will allow the synth panel in the VST Window to play (It's called HD Audio Output 1 + 2)
Maybe you don't have speakers set as the default WINDOWS audio playback device? or they should show up in Real Bands "MME drivers" window as something to select?
Hope this helps
EDIT
I forget to mention Real Band (without getting into MID thru settings) will NOT send MIDI data out to your MIDI device (e.g., Coyote, SampleTank 3) UNTIL you hit record! translation you won't hear anything until you hit record
Now I also forgot how to (or even if you can) with MME HEAR the MIDI device while you are recording something but I know you can with ASIO (which is my default because I use a MAINLY external MIDI keyboards and guitars so I want very little latency - I like to hear the stuff I'm triggering while it's being recorded).
Larry
Last edited by Larry Kehl; 04/28/1505:13 PM.
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Hi larry k - Thanks. Are you on a Mac? My RB doesn't have that little button on the bottom right. I'm on Windows 7. Anyway, I got to where you were ultimately pointing through preferences and made sure that speakers are highlighted and moved to the top to make them the default midi out devices. No change. I pushed the default MME button on preferences/audio, too, just in case.
I went back and re-installed SampleTank, this time using the default file locations instead of a location on my Dropbox. The synth panel configuration window now shows many more instruments so I must have messed something up in the first installation. The bad news is that it still doesn't play in RB and it took a step backwards, too. I used to be able to hear sounds when in the synth panel if I had RB set to AISO. Now that doesn't work, anymore.
I also experimented with the changing the track in the sampletank synth panel. The track I'm testing is Track #4, midi channel 3. I've tried putting the desired synth on both tracks 3 and 4 and also on track 1 in the sampletank synth panel and it makes no difference.
I ran the DX diagnostics tool in "options" on the sampletank synth panel and everything checked out.
One more thing - the "speakers" midi out you mentioned is not an option in preferneces/audio when I'm running AISO. Maybe there is something that can be done ????
Not at computer now but I run Win 7 64 also and my example above was for MME
Asio won't show "speakers" as output it assumes you set your ASIO device driver output to there or WHEREVER you want it
But you should have the button in realband bottom right like my picture?
Larry
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Last edited by Larry Kehl; 04/28/1507:24 PM.
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Hi again, Larry. I'm on the latest 2015 (8) version of RB and don't have that button. odd.... Maybe it's because I don't have a large screen.
But I can set "speakers" as the audio out driver in preferences when I'm running MME. The midi out driver can be either Microsoft GS Wavetable Synch or Microsoft Midi Mapper. And neither will play SampleTank.
When I change to AISO, RB will not allow me to select either of these 2 midi drivers at all. Maybe if I can find an alternate free midi driver that AISO likes, I could get somewhere.
The MIDI "Output drivers," determines where to route/send RealBand MIDI data to EXTERNAL MIDI devices, which includes (paradoxically) things like "MIDI yoke," LoopBe2 (free by the way) or LoopBe30 or other virtual port devices.
So as far as getting ST 3 or any plug-in to work within Real Band the "MIDI Output Drivers" (all, one, or none) are immaterial. For the purists, yes we can MAKE them matter if we start using software re-routers like LoopBe2, Loopbe30, MIDI yoke to send MIDI data to ST3 standalone - but that is NOT the way to troubleshoot this problem or even work in general)
The MIDI "Output drivers" are in play: (again without confusing the bigger topic with "MIDI Thru" settings) If you don’t have "Re-Route MIDI playback to default Dxi/VSTi Synth" checked. In this case, MIDI data in Real Band, during playback, will go out to the "outside world" devices (external hardware synths or to software re-routers or even the MS GS wavetable essentially the same thing as CoyoteWT).
If you DO HAVE "Re-Route MIDI playback to default Dxi/VSTi Synth" CHECKED then ALL MIDI data (EXCEPT possibly MIDI thru) is sent to the user selected VSTi's within Real Band (either the default VSTi or the individual track(s) set VSTi's - they can all be different.
Again I suggest you CALL PG they can walk you through in real time and ask follow ups, that are hard and time consuming for you, to make sure you have everything set correctly including (if required for this problem) your WINDOWS audio "stuff"
Larry
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