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Windows is including FLAC? I hope it isn't just for Apple devices. The sentence they used makes it inconclusive.
If windows supports it for all devices that would be very cool.
It's nice to see them even acknowledge improvements in a new OS for this industry. Nice find!
Thanks.
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Very helpful, Ray. I'm dubious only because in upgrading to Vista, and then to 7, I lost the use of two perfectly good sound cards. I'd hate for it to happen again.
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This sounds really...hopeful? Given MS's history I think some of the skeptical comments on that page are justified but I also read some of Pete's answers and it does sound like they just might get this right. One thing was the FLAC part, another thing is shaving 15ms off of WDM which means a lot to folks here because Biab/RB still seem to have ASIO issues on some systems then he talks about optimizing background functions for audio plus the biggest thing is he actually refers to DAW's like he really understands how they work.
This could be a big deal not just in general but for PGM in particular. This could make Biab really fly. Maybe. Hopefully. Without making obsolete perfectly good equipment we already have.
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If you haven't yet, this is a good time to start with an SSD.
1. There is software to copy your operating system onto the SSD. (Your original hard drive does not change.)
2. Update the system to Windows 10 on your SSD.
3. Test your system.
4. If it doesn't work, just use your old system (set the boot procedure back to the original hard drive).
5. Since you already have the SSD, go back to step one and from there proceed directly to step 6.
6. Use the system.
Usually this takes a lot of time, if you want to go back, because you have to reinstall all the software. But here you're working with a clone. Sure this takes time also, but allegedly no re-registering of software.
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7. Turn off defrag on your (new) boot disk. [Do not defrag an SSD. Windows doesn't know to turn it off once you've changed drive types.]
8. If this is an older PC, make sure AHCI is being used.
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Way ahead -I'll be triple booting - I still need a non-VM Win XP OS....
So Win XP & Win 7 as now configured and added Win (d)X (aka win 10) but alas i need min1TB SDD and afraid if WindX CAN fully replace Win 7 then, until prices drop even more AND can get >1TB without robbing a bank , its still 2TB 7200 RPM HDDs here
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Way ahead -I'll be triple booting - I still need a non-VM Win XP OS....
So Win XP & Win 7 as now configured and added Win (d)X (aka win 10) but alas i need min1TB SDD and afraid if WindX CAN fully replace Win 7 then, until prices drop even more AND can get >1TB without robbing a bank , its still 2TB 7200 RPM HDDs here Hey Larry -(sorry for the hijack!) - I'm looking for an external drive to back up Sonar files. Is SSD is the way to go for this? Regards, Bob
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Unless you are independently wealthy I wouldn't use SDDs for backup
You can get a 2 terabyte USB external for next to nothing now
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Unless you are independently wealthy I wouldn't use SDDs for backup
You can get a 2 terabyte USB external for next to nothing now Thanks. Off to Newegg.
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If you haven't yet, this is a good time to start with an SSD.
1. There is software to copy your operating system onto the SSD. (Your original hard drive does not change.)
2. Update the system to Windows 10 on your SSD.
3. Test your system.
4. If it doesn't work, just use your old system (set the boot procedure back to the original hard drive).
5. Since you already have the SSD, go back to step one and from there proceed directly to step 6.
6. Use the system.
Usually this takes a lot of time, if you want to go back, because you have to reinstall all the software. But here you're working with a clone. Sure this takes time also, but allegedly no re-registering of software. Got the 500gbSSD a few weeks ago, love it, computer boot cut in half, apps loading quicker. Good advice as above about testing windows 10, but having a backup of your old OS (in my case windows 7 32bit) I use acronis. Now to solve boot problems for those double or triple booting such as windows 7 and windows 10 a great app to help set your boot menu is EasyBCD, https://neosmart.net/EasyBCD/Scroll down page and get the free version. This in my opinion is a must have app, has pulled me out of many corners on countless occasions for example you have a partition with an OS on it but can't boot into it at startup. With easyBCD its simple a few clicks and your boot menu is ready to go. As with all things to do with the Master boot record MBR a little caution is advised. As regards upgrading to windows 10,the only thing that I am worried about is if I upgrade to windows 10 then for some reason my M-Audio fast track pro doesn't work, If I reinstall my acronis image of windows 7 that somehow the product key in future will be seen as invalid. I have been assured that this won't happen on other forums that its part of the course with windows 10 that you can go back to windows 7, but still a little unsure. Saying that with the help of EasyBCD I will try and have both windows 7 and windows 10 running on a dual boot configuration. Musiclover
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I started a new thread on the Keyboard Corner forum and one of the guys there responded with this link: https://www.gearslutz.com/board/music-computers/975864-windows-10-thread-post-your-expectations-here-28.htmlThis is the same Pete in the Sonicstate article. Here he's responding to a very critical review by somebody and tells us he's a musician and has been using Cubase for years. This is great, he really knows our issues and talks about some of them. On a side note concerning defragging, if you're on Win 7 it's recommended by MS you do NOT defrag, ever. There was a discussion about this a couple years ago and Mac chimed in agreeing with that. Bob
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hey, Jazzmammal, thanks for the note about not defragging in windows 7. my desktop dedicated DAW is running win 7 and I was contemplating that action! Dennis
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I think it's more a case of Windows 7 doing it for you. There's nothing wrong with defragging a Windows 7 hard drive; it's just that you will likely find it doesn't need it when you check, because it's been working behind the scenes.
Now, special case from experience: if you replace a mechanical boot hard drive with an SSD, then you MUST turn off defragging of that SSD. Windows is not going to recognize the switch and do it for you. It only sets it up correctly for a new build.
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If MS states that you can only have one licence, either for Win7 OR Win 10, when you take a clone of your drive, install Win 10 (and transfer the licence), will MS recognise your licence for Win 7, given that your single licence is in use for Win 10? From what I understand MS give you 30 days to revert then auto wipe Win7. OK, lets just run you all through the Microsoft license business first.
Firstly, any ready made computer manufactured by any of the big names will usually have what is called an OEM license for the operating system on it. You could also as an individual buy an OEM license. However these are a little cheaper than a full license, they were created to be used by system builders, not really for the Joe Blogs such as us. Being cheaper an OEM license is not in any way transferable, so cannot be installed on another computer if the first one dies. The license dies with the computer.
If however you were to buy a full retail license, and then your computer died, you can then install that operating system on to a new computer, providing of course that the old copy is removed from the old computer, or is not operational in any way. It is still one license for one computer.
Up until now, that has always been the case right through from the very first Windows operating system. However, it would now seem that the OEM version will be no more with Windows 10. What exactly this will mean as far as transfer, dual booting, and other things is yet to be seen.
However. going back to the previous operating systems, providing you buy the license for each operating system you intend to run, there is nothing to stop you from dual booting say Windows XP and Windows 8.1 if you have bought a license for each, even if one or both of them happens to be an OEM version.
Considering these are still supported for at least critical updates, you could buy OEM licenses (Providing you can still find them on sale) For Windows Vista (SP2), Windows 7 (SP1) Windows 8.1 and run them as multiple booting on one computer. Obviously the same would apply if you bought full retail licenses. You just have to bear in mind that if the licenses are OEM versions, they live and die with the computer they are on and cannot be transferred.
The important thing is that the license conditions do not allow you to run the same copy on two different computers. There is a way, however you must then buy the multiple license, which of course costs even more, and is not normally available outside a business environment.
So, you now have for example a computer running Windows 7, or Windows 8.1, it does not matter whether it is an OEM license or a full retail license, and you then upgrade via the upgrade system to the new Windows 10. Microsoft state that the original license for the previous operating system is transferred to the new upgrade. If you kept a copy of the old Windows 7, or 8.1, it is no longer licensed, unless you go through the previously mentioned downgrade back to your old system, and therefore scrap the Windows 10 copy. You only have 30 days to do that as the old system will be automatically deleted after that time.
That also means that any clone, system image, or other copy of the previous system will also be out of license after that 30 days, regardless of how you remove Windows 10.
If however you do wish to dual boot or even multiple boot with Windows Vista, Windows 7, Windows 8.1, and also once released Windows 10, you must still buy the license for each, you cannot for example upgrade the Windows 8.1 to Windows 10 and still run the old Windows 8.1, at least not without buying a Windows 10 license and installing that without removing the original Windows 8.1
I know it all sounds very complex, however that is the way Microsoft works, they are only trying to keep their copyrights managed and prevent piracy.
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Being cheaper an OEM license is not in any way transferable, so cannot be installed on another computer if the first one dies. The license dies with the computer. I don't think this is 100% accurate. I have used the license number (usually found on the sticker on the side of the machine or in the manual) from an OEM license on a new system, used the 'call in' system to activate the license, and been fine. I just never used the older (OEM) system again. But the license, transferred fine to the new computer, even though it was a different brand/build altogether. I had to load/install new drivers to match the new system, but it worked. The license, as mentioned in the same post, simply states it can't be used on more than one computer. It does not state that it must be used on this exact hardware. <grin> So saying it is not transferable and dies with the original computer is not accurate in real life in my experience. As for using the same license for dual-boot; I could see this being an issue after the 30 day trial. Especially with the new update. Currently Windows will let you run an unauthenticated OS for 30 days or so, but eventually you must authenticate it. This is different than 'registering' it by the way .. authenticate/register.
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Just read a warning on Steinberg.net that there are massive issues with their flagship products, Cubase and Nuendo, and strongly recommend against upgrading to 10. They go on to say that the latest version of QuickTime does not run, effectively removing video support for those programs. Further, Yamaha USB and FireWire drivers are not supported. Hot off the press, folks.
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Not according to Pete on Gearslutz. Go read what he says about Cubase. As for the driver issue, sure, that's gonna happen.
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XPro Styles PAKs require Band-in-a-Box® 2025 or higher and are compatible with ANY package, including the Pro, MegaPAK, UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, and Audiophile Edition.
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