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I am writing this because for some reason reverb gives me fits. I either add 2 much or 2 little in most cases, it never seems to be just right; LOL. I also end up with a disjointed sounding mix because verb is different from one instrument to the next, the vocal being the worst culprit; not fitting in with the mix. usually you folks that have responded to my songs, give 2 suggestions harmony and reverb as fixes needed; so I want to start by fixing reverb. I want to know how you guys add reverb to your
1. individual tracks?
2 the final mix?
3. At what stage of your process do you add these verbs?
4. any reverb settings for just a nice clean room sound and a nice clean hall sound will be appreciated.
5. How do you handle reverb on drums and bass from Biab to make them part of the mix?
6. Do you set the mix to dry and center in Biab when you convert the Biab tracks to audio files for mixing?
If you can take a screen shot of your reverb setup and post that it would be awesome; along with the song the settings are used in so we can hear it in action, if you post your songs. If not just a screen shot is great or you can post the settings for the verb and that would be great.
I am looking for just a nice clean sounding mix that is unified with verb. I know that for times we add special sounds by adding delay on an instrument to make it sound different. Most of my music just needs to sound as if the band was actually in the same room with the vocalist; LOL!
I appreciate you folks here and all suggestions and help will be appreciated!
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I discovered that Izotope's Nectar 2 plugin-in has a great emulation of the old EMT 140 plate reverb. Many groups have used this reverb for all of their needs during recording. So, having read about it and liking the sound I started using it as my sole reverb about a year ago. I never add reverb to the stereo mix (either before or during mastering), i.e., I only add it to individual tracks. My primary purpose is to make each track "sit" in the mix and not sound isolated by letting each track bleed into the mix. I've learned a lot of this from spamming floyd and Tom  I will add a minimum of reverb to all of the tracks and then start varying the wet percentage on each one until things seem to sit right...and I guess that is where things get pretty subjective. My mastering plug-in Ozone dropped reverb from its modules when they released the latest version so I guess I'm not alone in not adding reverb to the stereo mix. All with a healthy does of FWIW's! Bud
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For the 'unified' reverb sound you are talking about it may be better to use the FX busses in RB and send each track to the same reverb in varying amounts.
Maybe that's what Bud meant when she said 'adjust the wet', or maybe he meant actually using it on every track as a separate reverb.
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For the 'unified' reverb sound you are talking about it may be better to use the FX busses in RB and send each track to the same reverb in varying amounts.
Maybe that's what Bud meant when she said 'adjust the wet', or maybe he meant actually using it on every track as a separate reverb.
This is exactly what I do in Sonar. The only reverb I use in a track might be the reverb in my amp or amp sims.
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I spent a good bit of time watching YouTube videos and experimenting with the verb plugins I have in Sonar. I've come to understand Pre-Delay set to be in time with the song, EQ'ing the reverb itself, and the use of side-chain compression on vocal reverb to further control that.
I use a different reverb and/or setting for vocals than I do for instruments. I use Sends to add the amount of reverb I want for each track, as rhav and Mario pointed out. I find that some RT's need less/more than others.
I keep the bass guitar dry or nearly so.
If I'm using a drum program like EZDrummer, I only give the snare and toms room/ambiance/reverb. I leave the kick and cymbals very dry.
If I'm using RDs I use EQ and a Transient Shaper to pinpoint and eliminate any bothersome reverb tails or room/overhead noise that may be present.
Once I have reverb on individual tracks sounding the way I like, I rarely add more to the entire mix, but I have done that in small amounts.
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To clarify my post. I mix with Logic Pro X on an iMac with 32gb RAM so I don't have any resources issues. Meaning I can use multiple instances of my preferred reverb w/o bogging down. FWIW I feel I have more control this way since I like to tweak the reverb a bit for each track - more so than I could do with one instance running via a buss. My ears are too shot to hear a lot of the nuances anyhow and there are so many options available nowadays that I fear, as a friend recently said, paralysis by analysis. I mixed a little in the mid 60's, mixed a lot of analog bluegrass in the 90's but I'm late to the party in the digital world. I'm attempting catchup with BiaB and exploring new genres but I have to keep it simple. Old dog overloaded with new tricks.
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Reverb:
I put reverb on the guitars and vocals in the tracks....UNLESS I have multiple guitars and multiple vocals which I normally do so I place the reverb in the buss.
Nothing else in the mix gets reverb on it. Everything from the tracks level is dry as a bone in the Sahara.
So reverb goes in the sub busses for vox and guitars, and also in the master buss. In 98% of my song projects that is the set up.
I tend to use the very same reverb plug for everything. I like a dark plate or a light plate depending.... but generally a dark plate which is from the Cakewalk default Sutdioverb2 plug.
I normally set reverb by bringing it up until I can hear it, then I back it off until I can't and that's where it gets set..... of course, there are times where I do crank it up to audible levels.
I don't like the Ozone reverb so I don't use it. Studioverb2 plates are smooth sounding and work well so I use them for most things. Since the reverb from the sub buss adds to the reverb in the master buss, you have to be careful not to overload the amount of verb and ruin the mix with a huge sounding room.
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Thanks folks for the suggestions; look forward to trying them out, then I will post and you can let me know if I paid attention, LOL; appreciate the help!
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Start with bus use of reverb first. The bus should have the reverb set 100% wet. This will help you avoid the oft repeated mistake of getting too much level due to some dry amount coming in through the bus.
The individual track sends to the reverb bus should be 'post fader' so that when you mix down the level of the individual tracks, they also fade down the level it also fades the amount sent to the reverb bus so you don't have unintentional stuff coming through the reverb bus.
If you get to the point where you've mastered this, then move on to having potentially different reverb types on individual tracks.
But first, get the bus use down. There are more than auditory reasons for doing this - it will help to keep the CPU resource use down.
Another thing to keep in mind - there's usually not a need to send the full frequency content to reverb - it can really muddy the sound, so put at least a high-pass filter in front of reverb either at the bus or on your individual track sends if you have that flexibility.
Hopefully that makes sense. I think I owe you a mix as part of a commitment I made during FAWM 2014. If you want to send me raw tracks without reverb for a song (make sure you export them all with the same start point), I'll demonstrate the above with a song-style appropriate reverb type.
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