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Better Endings #306339 08/12/15 12:58 PM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: Aug 2004 Posts: 1,586 Christchurch, New Zealand NigelSpiers OP Expert
OP NigelSpiers Expert Joined: Aug 2004 Posts: 1,586 Christchurch, New Zealand	Hi, Is there a way to add better endings to songs? In particular - after the BIAB ending sequence where the band holds the last note while the drummer does a few fills and then they all end on a shot one or two bars later with the drummer ending with a classic three hit fill. Is there maybe a user-style or a 3rd party product that has these type of endings? Thanks & Best Regards Nigel Nigel Spiers Christchurch, New Zealand info@nzacoustics.com

Re: Better Endings NigelSpiers #306377 08/12/15 08:14 PM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: Jun 2005 Posts: 7,687 Redondo Beach, Ca. jazzmammal Veteran
jazzmammal Veteran Joined: Jun 2005 Posts: 7,687 Redondo Beach, Ca.	One of the oldest Wishlist items. The only thing you can do is keep regenerating the song in the hopes the program comes up with something you like but if it's an RT or a Real Drum track all you need to do is go into the Real Drums folder and listen to the raw track in any audio player. If you don't hear your ending then it wasn't recorded so regenerating won't help. But, if it's a midi drum track you might find one or you can edit it yourself in the SEQ window. Of course that isn't as simple as hitting Play... Biab is very cool and it can do a lot but sometimes you have to dig in and help yourself. Bob. Biab/RB latest build, Win 11 Pro, Ryzen 5 5600 G, 512 Gig SSD, 16 Gigs Ram, Steinberg UR22 MkII, Roland Sonic Cell, Kurzweil PC3, Hammond SK1, Korg PA3XPro, Garritan JABB, Hypercanvas, Sampletank 3, more.

Re: Better Endings NigelSpiers #306383 08/12/15 08:24 PM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: Oct 2008 Posts: 18,953 Australia Noel96 Veteran
Noel96 Veteran Joined: Oct 2008 Posts: 18,953 Australia	Nigel, What version of BIAB do you have? Regards, Noel a BIAB song I co-wrote with Steve Young: When I Wake Up In The Morning MY SONGS... Audiophile BIAB 2024 audios on Soundcloud

Re: Better Endings NigelSpiers #306433 08/13/15 02:04 AM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: Apr 2009 Posts: 9,405 Middlesex, NC Guitarhacker Veteran
Guitarhacker Veteran Joined: Apr 2009 Posts: 9,405 Middlesex, NC	Roll your own ending. No one says you HAVE to use the default endings. Simply select the 'NO BB ENDING" option.... or whatever it's called.... uncheck the box... Then add a sufficient number of measures and do what you want. I find it's also easier for me to work in a DAW such as Sonar to do custom edits. I will often use a drum synth program to create interesting drum endings like you mentioned. Listen to the ending of this one: https://app.box.com/s/i7g5w4sz5bq83semzwii there's also several "breaks" in this tune. I use my own custom endings quite a bit, as opposed to the canned defaults in BB. I even have a few that slow down.... On my web site..... Dust on the Floor. Last edited by Guitarhacker; 08/13/15 02:06 AM. You can find my music at: www.herbhartley.com Add nothing that adds nothing to the music. You can make excuses or you can make progress but not both. The magic you are looking for is in the work you are avoiding.

Re: Better Endings NigelSpiers #306516 08/13/15 02:25 AM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: Jul 2000 Posts: 6,123 Fort Pierce, Florida, U.S.A. Notes Norton Veteran
Notes Norton Veteran Joined: Jul 2000 Posts: 6,123 Fort Pierce, Florida, U.S.A.	I sell some General MIDI intros and endings here http://www.nortonmusic.com/contents.html#midi They go with my user styles, but can work with others. You will need to export your BiaB tracks to a sequencer/DAW or Real Band to use them though. Notes Bob "Notes" Norton Norton Music https://www.nortonmusic.com 100% MIDI Super-Styles recorded by live, pro, studio musicians for a live groove & Fake Disks for MIDI and/or RealTracks

Re: Better Endings NigelSpiers #306576 08/13/15 02:40 AM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: Dec 2014 Posts: 697 Canada DEddy Journeyman
DEddy Journeyman Joined: Dec 2014 Posts: 697 Canada	Party Tonight. Nice job, liked it a lot. DE Win 10, 64 bit, love my Lenovo T420, BIAB 2019 (613), RB 2019 (2) Short term memory is getting shorter.

Re: Better Endings DEddy #306642 08/13/15 08:01 AM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: Aug 2011 Posts: 10,145 Winston-Salem, NC USA Jim Fogle Veteran
Jim Fogle Veteran Joined: Aug 2011 Posts: 10,145 Winston-Salem, NC USA	Originally Posted By: DEddy Party Tonight. Nice job, liked it a lot. DE Huh? Jim Fogle - 2024 BiaB (1111) RB (5) Ultra+ PAK DAWs: Cakewalk by BandLab (CbB) - Standalone: Zoom MRS-8 Laptop: i3 Win 10, 8GB ram 500GB HDD Desktop: i7 Win 11, 12GB ram 256GB SSD, 4 TB HDD Music at: https://fogle622.wix.com/fogle622-audio-home

Re: Better Endings Jim Fogle #306768 08/14/15 01:51 AM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: Apr 2009 Posts: 9,405 Middlesex, NC Guitarhacker Veteran
Guitarhacker Veteran Joined: Apr 2009 Posts: 9,405 Middlesex, NC	Originally Posted By: JimFogle Originally Posted By: DEddy Party Tonight. Nice job, liked it a lot. DE Huh? Look closer at my first post up the page..... I included a link to that song as an example of the kind of ending the OP was discussing. You can find my music at: www.herbhartley.com Add nothing that adds nothing to the music. You can make excuses or you can make progress but not both. The magic you are looking for is in the work you are avoiding.

Re: Better Endings NigelSpiers #306803 08/14/15 09:11 AM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: Dec 2012 Posts: 110 Goshen, Indiana Takamine Apprentice
Takamine Apprentice Joined: Dec 2012 Posts: 110 Goshen, Indiana	Totally agree with Guitarhacker. I do all my endings in the DAW stage. Rich Windows 10, 64 bit \| BIAB 2019 PlusPak \| Studio One 2 Artist

Re: Better Endings Guitarhacker #306825 08/14/15 01:17 PM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: May 2000 Posts: 21,657 Mi., USA rharv Veteran
rharv Veteran Joined: May 2000 Posts: 21,657 Mi., USA	Originally Posted By: Guitarhacker Roll your own ending. No one says you HAVE to use the default endings. ... I will often use a drum synth program to create interesting drum endings like you mentioned. ... I use my own custom endings quite a bit, ... italics added by me Usually the realdrums tracks you have will have individual hits included in the raw wmv or wav files (depending on package). Isolate them and trim them to 'samples' in wav format. Import into sample player and have fun. I've posted a free Sample player (with drum mixer included as VST) before here, will do again f anyone interested. I think someone else has posted it also (maybe jford?) These individual hits can be used in drum samplers to make the actual drum sound seamless for custom endings. MIDI playing Realdrum sounds. It's possible. Just sayin' Not sure if GH did that or not (didn't check) but it's possible. Fairly easily. Last edited by rharv; 08/14/15 01:19 PM. Make your sound your own! .. I do not work here, but the benefits are still awesome

Re: Better Endings NigelSpiers #306857 08/15/15 01:35 AM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: Apr 2009 Posts: 9,405 Middlesex, NC Guitarhacker Veteran
Guitarhacker Veteran Joined: Apr 2009 Posts: 9,405 Middlesex, NC	Quite often I will simply isolate a clip from the existing drum track and move it around in Sonar. It's pretty easy to make sophisticated edits in the DAW. Copy/paste is something I use frequently.... The trick is to get them sounding like they were there to start with. You don't want to chop off a cymbal fade or even the ambient verb from a snare hit. It's the little things that make it sound like it was there originally. It's also really easy in Sonar to drop Jamstix into the mix or the default drum synth and insert a few manual hits..... EQ them properly and they sound exactly like the real track drums. You can find my music at: www.herbhartley.com Add nothing that adds nothing to the music. You can make excuses or you can make progress but not both. The magic you are looking for is in the work you are avoiding.

Re: Better Endings NigelSpiers #306964 08/15/15 04:48 AM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: Jul 2000 Posts: 6,123 Fort Pierce, Florida, U.S.A. Notes Norton Veteran
Notes Norton Veteran Joined: Jul 2000 Posts: 6,123 Fort Pierce, Florida, U.S.A.	It's one of the things I like about working with MIDI styles. I can create my own Intro and/or Ending, using real lines from the song, or lines I write myself, use the same instrument patch and adjust volume, speed, holds and whatever I want in the DAW or MIDI sequencer. The editing capabilities of MIDI are almost infinite, the editing capabilities of Audio are very, very limited. Insights and incites by Notes Bob "Notes" Norton Norton Music https://www.nortonmusic.com 100% MIDI Super-Styles recorded by live, pro, studio musicians for a live groove & Fake Disks for MIDI and/or RealTracks

Re: Better Endings NigelSpiers #307009 08/15/15 03:09 PM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: Aug 2011 Posts: 1,827 S solidrock Expert
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