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I thought I could trick BIAB into playing a bass line that I want. So I entered a bunch of slash chords on every beat to get the bass I wanted. BIAB obeys and plays the bass line on the beat.... BUT.... It also plays a boring piano part bang on the beat, punching chords (same chord) ad nasueum like a metronome. I guess BIAB doesn't take too kindly to being tricked. 
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Freeze the bass track and export it. change the chords back and regenerate the piano.
Several options at this point. Export all the files and import them into RealBand or if you want to continue within BIAB, import the saved audio bass line into the audio channel.
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Freezing is a neat trick for this purpose.
Sometimes your bass line calls for the same bass note under changing chords. If you run into that, remember that BIAB supports pedal bass.
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Freeze the bass track and export it. change the chords back and regenerate the piano.
Several options at this point. Export all the files and import them into RealBand or if you want to continue within BIAB, import the saved audio bass line into the audio channel.
Thanks c_fogle! That sounds like something doable. 
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Freezing is a neat trick for this purpose.
Sometimes your bass line calls for the same bass note under changing chords. If you run into that, remember that BIAB supports pedal bass.
Thanks Matt. I hope the next time I need a pedal bass it will work for me. When I needed it a couple of years ago I was using BIAB 2011 and it had a bug in the pedal so it didn't work. PGMusic techs tested it and confirmed.
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Since you have a different chord on every beat (for all intents and purposes), BIAB is only going to play one beat patterns. I suspect that's why you get one beat piano banging.
So the freeze option definitely send to be the best way to go.
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Since you have a different chord on every beat (for all intents and purposes), BIAB is only going to play one beat patterns. I suspect that's why you get one beat piano banging.
So the freeze option definitely send to be the best way to go. Right, but if BIAB was really smart it would see that the chord remains the same; // Cm/C , Cm/G , Cm/C // Cm/Eb and try to add some embellishment/interest to the chords instead of bashing the *exact same* chord smack *on* the beat!
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Dare I say it?
Have you tried to play the bass part with either a bass guitar or a keyboard bass synth?
When I want a part and BB/RB won't cooperate, I will give plan B a shot. If you can pull it off, it might just be the faster solution.
Playing a bass line on a keyboard is not that difficult. And with either autopunch, or midi editing... mistakes are a breeze to fix.
That is my solution when BB just doesn't deliver the goods.
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Have you tried to play the bass part with either a bass guitar or a keyboard bass synth?
When I want a part and BB/RB won't cooperate, I will give plan B a shot. If you can pull it off, it might just be the faster solution.
Playing a bass line on a keyboard is not that difficult. And with either autopunch, or midi editing... mistakes are a breeze to fix.
That is my solution when BB just doesn't deliver the goods. Thanks GH! No I haven't tried to play the bass part yet. In all my years using BIAB I have never resorted to playing any parts inside BIAB. All I have done was render songs and move them to Reaper/Acid to play on top of the changes. Is there an easy way to record the bass part using midi guitar in BIAB? Is it easy to set up? I wouldn't even know how to connect my guitar synth to BIAB! I have a GR-1 synth and USB Edirol UA-25EX.
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I like c_fogle's response:
Even if you decide to go the guitar synth route, I think you would be better moving to (and learning) Realband at this point in the project.
They both have strengths, and learning the 'transfer point' (or when to move to RB) can save a lot of time/effort.
They are similar, but very different.
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Since you know and use Reaper I would render the song minus the bass track and move them to Reaper. I would use your MIDI guitar controller in Reaper. Using a DAW for recording is much easier then recording in BiaB IMHO.
Another option is to record your guitar, I am assuming you are a guitarist based on your MIDI guitar controller, playing the bass part then transposing that track down an octave. Sometimes that can sound as good as a bass guitar.
Also, again if you are a guitarist, go to Rondomusic.com and buy a bass. You can get quality instruments at a very good price there. I have a number of guitars and one fretless bass from them. The fretless bass is what you are hearing on my more resent songs and it only costs around $100 USD.
I hope this helps.
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Since you know and use Reaper I would render the song minus the bass track and move them to Reaper. I would use your MIDI guitar controller in Reaper. Using a DAW for recording is much easier then recording in BiaB IMHO.
Another option is to record your guitar, I am assuming you are a guitarist based on your MIDI guitar controller, playing the bass part then transposing that track down an octave. Sometimes that can sound as good as a bass guitar.
Also, again if you are a guitarist, go to Rondomusic.com and buy a bass. You can get quality instruments at a very good price there. I have a number of guitars and one fretless bass from them. The fretless bass is what you are hearing on my more resent songs and it only costs around $100 USD.
I hope this helps.
Thanks very much Mario, you give some very good suggestions! I would be much more inclined to work in Reaper rather than Real Band (or BIAB) on this. I know many here swear by Real Band, but at the end of the day it is still another program to spend time learning. And can it easily record multiple takes, allow easy editing, smooth fade-in's/outs, multiple fx's plus a ton more features that Reaper has?
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Most of them (DAW software) can - those basic operations are not restricted to Reaper 
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I thought I could trick BIAB into playing a bass line that I want. So I entered a bunch of slash chords on every beat to get the bass I wanted. BIAB obeys and plays the bass line on the beat.... BUT.... It also plays a boring piano part bang on the beat, punching chords (same chord) ad nasueum like a metronome. I guess BIAB doesn't take too kindly to being tricked. I know many here swear by Real Band, but at the end of the day it is still another program to spend time learning.
And can it easily record multiple takes, allow easy editing, smooth fade-in's/outs, multiple fx's plus a ton more features that Reaper has?
Real Band was referred to use because it is the only DAW that specifically addresses The BIAB limitation you had with RealTracks. No other DAW will do that without live instruments. It can easily do your list including a ton more features related to BIAB that Reaper or no other DAW has. The good news is you do not have to spend a lot of time learning in order to fix your issue in RB. You should already know how to generate a real track from BIAB. Multi riff works the same. Cut/Paste, move/copy work the same as other DAW's. Just use the features you need to fix the problem. You may spend a lot of time either setting up for someone or yourself to play the part; Certainly more time than it takes to regenerate a song. The issues with your tracks can be fixed 'in house' with a BIAB method in either BIAB or RB if you want it to. There are simply more options available in RB. Beside that, it is a technique you will find valuable in future projects.
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Yep... use a DAW and record the midi into a track.
On the song I did recently that sounded like ZZ Top... that bass part, IIRC, was me playing the part on my keyboard and using a bass sample.
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I'm missing something. MarioD and Guitarhacker appear to me to be offering good solutions to a problem BIABguy doesn't have.
His original post tells us he was able to get the bass part he wanted but the changes he made resulted in unwanted changes to the piano part. At this point, Isn't it the piano that needs fixing and not the Bass?
This is an easy fix from within the BIAB program, no DAW or live instrument is necessary. Also, not knowing if BIABguy plays keyboards or has access to one or a person who can play the part, generating a RT, Midi or SuperMidi piano seems to be a better option.
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I've been thinking about this problem.
It brings to mind some questions. Someone could probably figure out the answers by just playing with it, but I would hope these questions could be answered within the documentation (by PGMusic).
1. When you use slash chords for different bass notes, which instruments respond to it? Just the bass, or all chordal instruments? So in other words, does the piano, guitar, strings, and bass (assuming they are accompaniment versus soloing styles) all honor the slash bass note? Meaning if you freeze the bass track and then take away the slash chords for the other instruments, you may end up having conflicting bass notes playing.
2. If just the bass, is that based on the name of the instrument used, or is it that the bass must actually be on the legacy bass track only ?
My concern (in thinking about it) with freezing the bass, then removing the slash chords and regenerating the piano part, is that the piano (as potentially a full range instrument, depending on the style used) will now play the root bass note (and potentially other bass notes that work with the chord), which may then conflict with the moving part on the actual bass instrument.
I think we need a better understanding of how it works "under the hood", and what is actually affected by using slash chords. I did look in the user manual to see if this was explained, but only found that 1) yes, slash chords were supported and that 2) [presumably MIDI-only] soloists will adjust their scale based on analyzing the use of slash chords.
So Assuming that all chordal instruments probably honor the slash bass, I agree with the original assessment; if the base chord is the same when using slash chords, it should be treated that way and the style should not play the 1 beat MIDI patterns found in the style. This should then probably be a wishlist item (if not already).
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The question left out ...or I didn't see it..... Did the piano part sound OK before you did the slash chords?
IT was said that after the slash chords the piano sounded clunky.... so did it sound good before?
If so.... you could freeze the piano Before you do the slash chords) or play the bass part live in one manner or another.
Sounds like the slash chords changed everything...which I would expect them to do.
Lots of options....
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I've been thinking about this problem.
It brings to mind some questions. Someone could probably figure out the answers by just playing with it, but I would hope these questions could be answered within the documentation (by PGMusic).
1. When you use slash chords for different bass notes, which instruments respond to it? Just the bass, or all chordal instruments? So in other words, does the piano, guitar, strings, and bass (assuming they are accompaniment versus soloing styles) all honor the slash bass note? Meaning if you freeze the bass track and then take away the slash chords for the other instruments, you may end up having conflicting bass notes playing.
2. If just the bass, is that based on the name of the instrument used, or is it that the bass must actually be on the legacy bass track only ?
My concern (in thinking about it) with freezing the bass, then removing the slash chords and regenerating the piano part, is that the piano (as potentially a full range instrument, depending on the style used) will now play the root bass note (and potentially other bass notes that work with the chord), which may then conflict with the moving part on the actual bass instrument.
I think we need a better understanding of how it works "under the hood", and what is actually affected by using slash chords. I did look in the user manual to see if this was explained, but only found that 1) yes, slash chords were supported and that 2) [presumably MIDI-only] soloists will adjust their scale based on analyzing the use of slash chords.
So Assuming that all chordal instruments probably honor the slash bass, I agree with the original assessment; if the base chord is the same when using slash chords, it should be treated that way and the style should not play the 1 beat MIDI patterns found in the style. This should then probably be a wishlist item (if not already).
I would actually assume PG follow the conventions of music in that for a slash chord all instruments other than the bass play the nominated chord as written. Or in whatever inversion the player chooses. The chords do not necessarily have to play an inversion that matches the root.
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I would actually assume PG follow the conventions of music in that for a slash chord all instruments other than the bass play the nominated chord as written. Or in whatever inversion the player chooses. The chords do not necessarily have to play an inversion that matches the root. And were it this way, it brings us to my 2nd question: If just the bass, is that based on the name of the instrument used, or is it that the bass must actually be on the legacy bass track only ? It would still be good to know the answer to how the process works and which track(s) are affected.
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Our new rock & pop RealTracks bring a powerful mix of requested favorites, fresh genres, and modern chart-inspired styles! We have more of our popular “Producer Layered Acoustic Guitars (15)” featuring Band-in-a-Box favorite Brent Mason. We’ve continued our much-requested disco styles (10), and added new Celtic guitar (5) with a more basic, accessible approach than our previous Drop-D or DADGAD offerings. There are also highly requested yacht rock styles (17), inspired by the smooth, polished soft-rock sound of the late ’70s and early ’80s — laid-back grooves, silky electric pianos, warm textures, elegant harmonic movement, and pristine production aesthetics. Fans of heavier styles will love our new glam metal (13), capturing the flashy, high-energy sound of ’80s arena-ready guitar rock. We also have a set of rootsy modern-folk rock (18), with a warm, organic sound combining contemporary folk textures and driving acoustic strumming. And we’ve added lots of new modern pop styles (16) — the kinds of sounds you’re hearing on the radio today, featuring exciting new drums, synths, and cutting-edge RealTracks arrangements.
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Our new country & Americana RealTracks deliver a rich collection of acoustic, electric, and roots-inspired styles! We have new country pop (9) with legendary guitarist Brent Mason. There is also a potpourri (14) of bouzouki, guitars, banjo, and more, perfect for adding texture and character to contemporary acoustic arrangements. We’ve added funky country guitar (5) with PG favorite Brent Mason, along with classic pedal steel styles (5) featuring steel great Doug Jernigan. There are more country songwriter styles (8) that provide intimate, rootsy foundations for storytelling and modern Americana writing. Finally, we have “background soloing” acoustic guitar (12) with Brent Mason — simpler, but still very tasty acoustic lines designed to sit beautifully behind vocals or act as a subtle standalone solo part.
Check out all the 202 new RealTracks (in sets 468-488)!
And, if you are looking for more, the 2026 49-PAK (for $49) includes an impressive collection of 20 bonus RealTracks, featuring exciting and inspiring additions to add to your RealTracks library. You'll get new country-rhythm guitar styles from PG Music favorites Johnny Hiland and Brent Mason, along with modern-pop grooves that capture today’s radio-ready sound! There are also new indie-folk styles with guitar, bass, 6-string bass used as a high-chording instrument, acoustic guitar, and banjo. Plus, dedicated "cymbal fills" RealDrums provide an added layer that work very well with low-key folky styles with other percussion.
The 2026 49-PAK is loaded with other great new add-ons as well. Learn more about the 2026 49-PAK!
2026 Free Bonus PAK & 49-PAK for Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Mac®!
With your version 2026 for Mac Pro, MegaPAK, UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, Audiophile Edition or PlusPAK purchase, we'll include a Bonus PAK full of great new Add-ons for FREE! Or upgrade to the 2026 49-PAK for only $49 to receive even more NEW Add-ons including 20 additional RealTracks!
These PAKs are loaded with additional add-ons to supercharge your Band-in-a-Box®!
This Free Bonus PAK includes:
- The 2026 RealCombos Booster PAK:
-For Pro customers, this includes 27 new RealTracks and 23 new RealStyles.
-For MegaPAK customers, this includes 25 new RealTracks and 23 new RealStyles.
-For UltraPAK customers, this includes 12 new RealStyles.
- MIDI Styles Set 92: Look Ma! More MIDI 15: Latin Jazz
- MIDI SuperTracks Set 46: Piano & Organ
- Instrumental Studies Set 24: Groovin' Blues Soloing
- Artist Performance Set 19: Songs with Vocals 9
- Playable RealTracks Set 5
- RealDrums Stems Set 9: Cool Brushes
- SynthMaster Sounds Set 1 (with audio demos)
- iOS Android Band-in-a-Box® App
Looking for more great add-ons, then upgrade to the 2026 49-PAK for just $49 and you'll get:
- 20 Bonus Unreleased RealTracks and RealDrums with 20 RealStyle.
- FLAC Files (lossless audio files) for the 20 Bonus Unreleased RealTracks and RealDrums
- MIDI Styles Set 93: Look Ma! More MIDI 16: SynthMaster
- MIDI SuperTracks Set 47: More SynthMaster
- Instrumental Studies 25 - Soul Jazz Guitar Soloing
- Artist Performance Set 20: Songs with Vocals 10
- RealDrums Stems Set 10: Groovin' Sticks
- SynthMaster Sounds & Styles Set 2 (sounds & styles with audio demos)
Learn more about the Bonus PAK and 49-PAK for Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Mac®!
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