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PG Music,
Please consider changing Audiophile RealTracks from 16 bit depth to 24 bit depth.
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I can easily foresee this would make them unplayable on quite a number of systems & puters... 
Just because you can, doesn't mean you should!
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I can easily foresee this would make them unplayable on quite a number of systems & puters... Eddie please explain why you think switching the bit depth of RealTracks from 16 to 24 bits would make them unplayable on many systems.
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This request makes sense to me, assuming the master recordings were created at a higher bit rate. RealTracks (and RealDrums) are a means to an end: constructing a song, preferably in a DAW that can handle higher bit and sample rates. Mix and master using the best quality available, then render down to whatever you want, 16 bit for CDs or whatever for MP3. It's not as if someone is going to play a raw RealTrack file in an MP3 player.
BIAB would have to be improved to handle 24-bit, perhaps converting to 16-bit for song development but exporting at 24-bit?
This would also make the audiophile drive even larger to accommodate these larger files. Nevertheless,
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Eddie please explain why you think switching the bit depth of RealTracks from 16 to 24 bits would make them unplayable on many systems. I simply meant precisely what I said. But just to further underline my initial comment, I could add that there are a number of computer speakers (and sound cards) which wouldn't be able to cope with a bitrate above the CD standard of 16. Then again, I guess one could say Audiophile buyers might be expected to have more advanced gear than those, but you never know. And that was all, really.
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PG Music,
Please consider changing Audiophile RealTracks from 16 bit depth to 24 bit depth. +1 Willing to pay the additional cost.
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+1
Storage is cheap, so if it is possible to release better quality files, then this should definitely be done.
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I vote for 24 bit / 48kHz Audiophile Real Tracks. Folks who don't have the capability of playing this format can always use the regular WMA formatted RealTracks. I was going to upgrade my current BIAB to the Audiophile version in order to obtain better sound quality. But I now understand the Audiophile quality is only marginally better - still 16 bit audio. Bummer.
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It is awfully difficult to define "marginally" all that clearly in this discussion. I think the difference might be a bit more than marginally, but less than majorly (no pun intended), if that makes any sense to you without hearing it yourself.
You are right, though, about requesting both a higher sampling rate and a higher bit rate, if PG Music has recorded the masters this way and can provide them. Keith also makes a great point: I am also willing to pay more for the better quality files.
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If you work at 24bit 48000 ain't ye gonna have to dither to 16bit 41000 which will degrade the sound quality?
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If you work at 24bit 48000 ain't ye gonna have to dither to 16bit 41000 which will degrade the sound quality?
To make a CD or MP3 or WMA, yes. A DVD, no. DVD audio can go all the way up to 24/96.
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Please consider changing Audiophile RealTracks from 16 bit depth to 24 bit depth. I would also really appreciate this. I was just doing tests this past week and importing BIAB tracks into my DAW where I always work at 24bit/48kHz. There is a noticeable degradation of the BIAB bedtracks because the upsampling adds some slur to the tracks. It's not a huge degradation, but some of the crispness is gone. If I work with them at 16bit/44.1kHz then all of my added guitars, vocals, percussion and any other instruments will be at the lower quality, which I don't want to do, so it becomes a tradeoff. It would certainly be nice if we didn't have to degrade the quality of the BIAB Audiophile tracks as soon as we're ready to start working with them outside of BIAB. I can easily foresee this would make them unplayable on quite a number of systems & puters... For those who don't work 24bit/48kHz, these tracks could still be useable for you because BIAB would simply allow for them to be converted on output down to 16bit/44.1kHz, and since the data is starting out at the higher resolution you should experience ZERO loss when it is downsampled.
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PG Music,
Please consider changing Audiophile RealTracks from 16 bit depth to 24 bit depth. yes yes yes +1 +1 +1 I would be very happy even if all internal operations were at 16 bit, including playback, but with the possibility to export / render at 24 bit. That would be good enough for me (provided that the original recordings were actually done at 24 bit of course).
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Best, Warren
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I see we have resurrected a thread that began three years ago. If anyone wants a little more background about the audiophile version versus the ‘regular’ version (as they exist now, not what has been requested in this thread), go to the Tips and Tricks Forum. You’ll find a sticky post that I wrote in the beginning of BIAB 2017. http://www.pgmusic.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=378939#Post378939
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If any are interested to "see" the difference between recording at 44.1/16 and 48/24 i've attached a video with a simple demonstration. Jump to 3:00 in the video where the actual experiment begins. Quality
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Definitely a +1 from me. 24 bit + the highest sample rate possible (96kHZ would be better than 48kHZ but I'll take whatever improvement I can get!)
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