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I'm always ready to consider upgrading each time a new version is released. I haven't found any limitations that are of a such a concern to me not to upgrade, but everyone is different. I'm also a big user of Real Tracks. I think most users are too.
YMMV though.
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This should be a separate thread. It has nothing to do with the original topic - SUPER MIDI APP OR INSTRUCTIONS.
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This should be a separate thread. It has nothing to do with the original topic - SUPER MIDI APP OR INSTRUCTIONS. Yes, you are right Dave, it got hijacked in post #312973 on 04/10/15 11:01 PM
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It is related what are super tracks based on if not the V7 obviously your able to transpose and change the progression if it has to generate a pattern from something.
Is it based on the 1 chord Lydian chord or what?
My point it is not done in a scientific manner that supports voice leading, unless super MIDI fixes this?
I only have 2014, the super midi tracks I have don't make string chart, so I can't really tell what its doing when you change the progression.
2014 crashed, I can't believe users like that, every thing after interface change is way buggy.
You can brag all you want about how users like it but why did I go back to 2012? It's not even stable any more.
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You are passionate about it, you see problems and would like them fixed.
That's why I'm here, I have been nagging and complaining to get things fixed, improved or added for years, it is very frustrating but you need to keep at it, then things DO get fixed/improved/added but it is a slow process. Your input is important so don't give up !
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As far as I remember, super midi tracks were created by real musicians using midi instruments.
I don't see what "voice leading" or lydian chords have to do with it. (Whatever they are...)
May be you want BIAB to be more scientific, but it is first and foremost a simple way to create music to play along with.
But back to the original issue we do need a way to edit the super midi tracks.
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> super midi tracks ... created by real musicians using midi instruments. Yes but what happens when you change the progression what is using to generate the new tracks >But back to the original issue we do need a way to edit the super midi tracks. You can edit the tracks using any sequencer, currently I delete them and create my own because I using lots of rootless chords and progression that use a specific voice leading (common tones between chords or contrary motion)I keep only bass and drums or sometimes I may use part of guitar or piano as variation. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contrapuntal_motion#Contrary_motionI don't use band in a box as a MIDI editor, I use old version of cakewalk because it simple, I export the midi once I am satisfied with what I got. Yes the original complaint is how to create your own super midi style, but my contentions if U use parallel motion in generating the new track then this is not really that different, yes they are different issues but related, I would like to understand how they translate "created by real musicians using midi instruments" to different chord progressions. Previously they used the Mixolodian chord to generate new patters and shifted everything up in parallel motion. If that is still the case then they are separate issues. It belongs in new thread. Any way a real musician might not use a 1,3,5,7 chord on a Mixolodian chord they may leave out the 5th or it will be related to what was played before it. So I am hoping they are using a different technology here. Hope that explains what I am talking about.
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I really dont see what the big deal is here. A "Midi supertrack" can be nothing but a live recorded MIDI file.
Any sequencer can create one,and yes, under the hood I consider Band in a Box a sequencer, as it plays one note, then the next...)
But of course, so much in BIAB is hard, cack handed, buggy, impossible sometimes, and frequently counter-intuitive.
I am so fed up I won't go deep until there is a rewrite. I have said this before, and so have many others.
REWRITE!
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I think that means that Super Midi does not use patterns like regular midi that are used in most styles, but are treated much the same as Real Tracks.
In a midi style, the midi patterns for the midi tracks are easily modified. It looks like they have 2 'formats' voice lead, or riff lead. All midi tracks are built from a C7 chord. Very predictable, but somewhat limiting. I am sure you can add notes other than C,E G Bb, if you want.
Super midi does not appear to follow any of these rules. Yes, you could freeze the track and edit it, or delete if if you wish. But I am not sure why you would generate it, and then delete it.
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For me I delete the keyboard/guitar tack if I want to do something fancy like Allan Holdsworth type chord (often are modal and hard to name exactly but will have Dorian or Lydian feel)or quartal harmony or something with a specific voicing
I studied chords a lot so, for now I use Korg Karma do generate some arpeggios off my chords and paste the stock chords into to solo part of biab if in need a reference to play.
I still use biab printer, but I prefer a regular MIDI seq for tweaking.
And yes I agree it became buggy after real tracks.
The type of chords I mentioned are documented in the book Creative Chordal Harmony by Mick Goodrick and Tim Miller or Allan Holdsworth Searching for the Uncommon Chord.
Even if you want to do a Pat Metheny song your better deleting piano parts and using the exact parts in his book
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