|
Log in to post
|
Print Thread |
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
|
Joined: Oct 2015
Posts: 1,143
Expert
|
OP
Expert
Joined: Oct 2015
Posts: 1,143 |
I just observed that the real track making much better melodies and solos then the one biab generate, and would like to somehow save those as midi, so it can be played back in Real Band with a good VST plugin for the sake of more variation... Is there a way to do this in biab? I know it can be done via the save as PDF function and then use a 3rd party PDF to midi software, but then I have to buy this program... I already tried it with the Myriad PDF to MIdi and it worked, but when I printed it only one track will be printed and I could not see how to select the melody or solo track only, so I had to run the saxophone in the piano track and then print.. Any way around this ?
Forever Grateful, BUT, sometimes pissed of.  Trygve "Leo" Larsen BiaB 2020, Windows 8.1, Intel Core i5 CPU, 270GHz, 32 Gb RAM My OLD tracks on Soundcloud; https://soundcloud.com/trygve-larsen My NEW is unpublished The Universe = Uni-verse ie one song.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
|
Joined: Aug 2011
Posts: 1,827
Expert
|
|
Expert
Joined: Aug 2011
Posts: 1,827 |
Midi RealCharts, you can just drag the RealTrack with the RealChart to the mid drop station.
In Realband just right click on a track > Enable RealCharts then open the Biab file and it should load a midi track for each RealTrack that has a chart.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
|
Joined: Apr 2009
Posts: 10,733
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: Apr 2009
Posts: 10,733 |
If I understand your question correctly, the answer is NO. Not to my knowledge. I'm sure there are some folks who have workarounds, but the question there is, just how complex is the process and is it 100% accurate?
I too wanted to do that... use the melody or the chords played on a piano part generated in Real Band to be converted to the exact midi notes so I could use a better sounding synth with sampled piano. Something in the piano part generated by RB just didn't sound all that good. It might have been the conversion artifacts or something else. The notes it played were awesome and I loved what it played.... just not how it sounded.
So I set about trying to convert that exact part to midi. I came to the conclusion that where is no way to accomplish that task.
It would certainly be really cool if that were possible with a few clicks of the mouse.
You can find my music at: www.herbhartley.comAdd nothing that adds nothing to the music. You can make excuses or you can make progress but not both. The magic you are looking for is in the work you are avoiding.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
|
Joined: Dec 2003
Posts: 615
Journeyman
|
|
Journeyman
Joined: Dec 2003
Posts: 615 |
There have been programs purporting to that for some time. The polyphonic nature of most audio tracks has made most of them interesting "in theory." http://www.music-notation.info/en/compmus/audio2midi.htmlMelodyne (though expensive) seems to do a pretty good job with monophonic tracks. In my experience, music that doesn't swing, and has a regular pulse, tends to work best.
Last edited by PhillyJazz; 10/26/15 01:45 AM.
Jan - 12 Core AMD Ryzen 9 3900X
32GB DDR4
Win 10 64-bit
Samsung m.2 SSD Boot drive,other SSD internal and USB drives.
MOTO 2
Ketron SD4,SD1000
Yamaha RX-v381amp
VB-Audio virtual cables
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
|
Joined: Oct 2015
Posts: 40
Enthusiast
|
|
Enthusiast
Joined: Oct 2015
Posts: 40 |
I just can highly recommend Melodyne too. Its really great. All the realtracks are not really perfect. The musicians, which are playing, are doing a good job and its often musically on a top level, but that doesn't mean that you can use it right away for your own production. There is a lot stuff, which need to be adjusted.
With Melodyne you can do exactly that was is needed. You can convert audio to midi , if you want, and then use vsts to play the parts. But that often doesn't make it better, because the Live-music with real instruments and a good musician sounds much better. With midi-instruments the soul is lost, especially for solos. Here comes Melodyne into the game and you can edit with this programm audio like midi. You can change, delete and edit every note , which is played by the musician. You can make it exactly to that, what you want. Thats really awesome.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
|
Joined: Apr 2009
Posts: 10,733
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: Apr 2009
Posts: 10,733 |
Melodyne Editor is polyphonic. I've used it before to fix piano parts. The problem with it is that not only does it seem to pick up the notes played, but it also picks up "ghost" notes as well. Harmonics and other such things that are not really notes being played. There's a great video on the Celemony web site that deals with poly editing. As I recall, much of it is guess work.... trial and error to eliminate the chaff from the good stuff. (at least there used to be) here it is>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cHjoaSPeNT8I have never used ME to attempt to convert audio into midi so I can not vouch for it's accuracy in that realm. My suspicion is that there is still a lot of work to be done coding the software to do that accurately.
Last edited by Guitarhacker; 10/26/15 06:43 AM.
You can find my music at: www.herbhartley.comAdd nothing that adds nothing to the music. You can make excuses or you can make progress but not both. The magic you are looking for is in the work you are avoiding.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
|
Joined: Aug 2009
Posts: 3,148
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: Aug 2009
Posts: 3,148 |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
|
Joined: Dec 2003
Posts: 24,342
Veteran
|
Veteran
Joined: Dec 2003
Posts: 24,342 |
Melodyne Editor is polyphonic.
I have never used ME to attempt to convert audio into midi so I can not vouch for it's accuracy in that realm. My suspicion is that there is still a lot of work to be done coding the software to do that accurately. I have used it to convert audio, both monophonic and polyphonic, to MIDI and it is the best converted that I have every encountered. A few times I had to make no corrections while others there were only a few notes that had to be changed. I have converted guitar, bass and a couple of RTs with great success. Melodyne Editor doesn't read pitch bends and has trouble with hammer ons and pull offs. It will read the hammer on and pull offs but they may not be legato. It reads guitar chords very well. Of course your millage my vary depending on your initial audio. Ps - for get trying to copy a CD to MIDI. It ain't gonna work!
I think my wife has started to show the first signs of dementia.
She said she can't remember what she ever saw in me!
64 bit Win 10 Pro, the latest BiaB/RB, Roland Octa-Capture audio interface, a ton of software/hardware
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
|
Joined: Oct 2015
Posts: 1,143
Expert
|
|
OP
Expert
Joined: Oct 2015
Posts: 1,143 |
Ok, thank's a lot for great answer to my question guys! U just saved me 50 box for buying the myriad PDFtoMidi solidrock! Because ur tips did really worked.. Of course midi can never replace real tracks, but it can work great together with a real track as long as they r playing exactly same notes....
Probably melodyne could do a better job, but is way to expensive for my use....
Trygve
Forever Grateful, BUT, sometimes pissed of. Trygve "Leo" Larsen BiaB 2020, Windows 8.1, Intel Core i5 CPU, 270GHz, 32 Gb RAM My OLD tracks on Soundcloud; https://soundcloud.com/trygve-larsen My NEW is unpublished The Universe = Uni-verse ie one song.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
|
Joined: Oct 2015
Posts: 1,143
Expert
|
|
OP
Expert
Joined: Oct 2015
Posts: 1,143 |
Thank's a lot for that link musiclover ! Learned a lot from there... 
Forever Grateful, BUT, sometimes pissed of. Trygve "Leo" Larsen BiaB 2020, Windows 8.1, Intel Core i5 CPU, 270GHz, 32 Gb RAM My OLD tracks on Soundcloud; https://soundcloud.com/trygve-larsen My NEW is unpublished The Universe = Uni-verse ie one song.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
|
Joined: Oct 2008
Posts: 20,414
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: Oct 2008
Posts: 20,414 |
Trygve, This link will take you to a post by Peter Gannon (the PG in PG Music) about piano Realtracks. Because of the way they are recorded, the midi files for piano Realtracks should be an exact copy of what was played on the Realtrack. As others in above posts have indicated, this is not true all Realtracks, though. Because Realtracks are audio files, they are not easily converted to midi. Hope this adds a little extra insight, Noel
MY SONGS...Audiophile BIAB 2026
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
|
Joined: Aug 2011
Posts: 10,986
Veteran
|
Veteran
Joined: Aug 2011
Posts: 10,986 |
Why not try the "Pitch to MIDI" conversion tool built into RealBand? Export the solo track as a wave file then import it into RealBand. I didn't know the tool existed until Callie wrote a tip. You can read Callie's tip ++ HERE ++
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
|
Joined: Oct 2015
Posts: 1,143
Expert
|
|
OP
Expert
Joined: Oct 2015
Posts: 1,143 |
Thanks a lot solidrock and Noel, will look into it.
Forever Grateful, BUT, sometimes pissed of. Trygve "Leo" Larsen BiaB 2020, Windows 8.1, Intel Core i5 CPU, 270GHz, 32 Gb RAM My OLD tracks on Soundcloud; https://soundcloud.com/trygve-larsen My NEW is unpublished The Universe = Uni-verse ie one song.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
|
Joined: Jun 2005
Posts: 7,697
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: Jun 2005
Posts: 7,697 |
Pitch to midi is for single notes.
What we're all talking about is AI as in Artificial Intelligence. The only AI I've seen who could do this like a human was the android Data in Star Trek The Next Generation after he was fitted with his "emotion chip".
I've seen a couple of vids put out by university labs using millions of dollars worth of super computers with custom software that appear to do great audio to midi conversions and other creative audio manipulations but nothing that has filtered down to us schleps with our basic PC's and Mac's.
You know there's lots of smart post doc students who would love to make their billions creating an app for this, we'll just have to wait and see what happens.
On the other hand, what happens when they do? Even more regular folks can manipulate music and create stuff in their home computers that sounds even more professional than we can do now. That empowers even more millions of people writing and and producing stuff at home trying to submit tunes for publication. What does all this do to the music industry? A lot of us already complain loudly about how it's gone down the crapper, do we have any more complaints left when home production quality gets turned up another notch?
Bob
Biab/RB latest build, Win 11 Pro, Ryzen 5 5600 G, 512 Gig SSD, 16 Gigs Ram, Steinberg UR22 MkII, Roland Sonic Cell, Kurzweil PC3, Hammond SK1, Korg PA3XPro, Garritan JABB, Hypercanvas, Sampletank 3, more.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
|
Joined: Aug 2013
Posts: 173
Apprentice
|
|
Apprentice
Joined: Aug 2013
Posts: 173 |
I've been using Melodyne Editor to convert monophonic and polyphonic RTs to midi with some great results. It's not perfect and can't handle the kitchen sink but depending on the source material, it can be quite worthwhile (I also used it to turn my voice into a convincing flute -- way cool!)
Where it struggles is with things like pitch bends, heavy reverb (I get audio as dry as possible before melodyning-to-midi) and non-pitched noises like aggressive thwacking in strummed guitar parts, for example. It can also help a lot if, before converting to midi, you "flatten" the audio by reducing / eliminating vibrato and pitch drift using Melodyne's Pitch Modulation and Pitch Drift tools.
Not cheap software, but very very impressive, in this regard as well as other.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Ask sales and support questions about Band-in-a-Box using natural language.
ChatPG's knowledge base includes the full Band-in-a-Box User Manual and sales information from the website.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box 2026 for Windows Special Offers End Tomorrow (January 15th, 2026) at 11:59 PM PST!
Time really is running out! Save up to 50% on Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Windows® upgrades and receive a FREE Bonus PAK—only when you order by 11:59 PM PST on Thursday, January 15, 2026!
We've added many major new features and new content in a redesigned Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Windows®!
Version 2026 introduces a modernized GUI redesign across the program, with updated toolbars, refreshed windows, smoother workflows, and a new Dark Mode option. There’s also a new side toolbar for quicker access to commonly used windows, and the new Multi-View feature lets you arrange multiple windows as layered panels without overlap, making it easier to customize your workspace.
Another exciting new addition is the new AI-Notes feature, which can transcribe polyphonic audio into MIDI. You can view the results in notation or play them back as MIDI, and choose whether to process an entire track or focus on specific parts like drums, bass, guitars/piano, or vocals. There's over 100 new features in Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Windows®.
There's an amazing collection of new content too, including 202 RealTracks, new RealStyles, MIDI SuperTracks, Instrumental Studies, “Songs with Vocals” Artist Performance Sets, Playable RealTracks Set 5, two RealDrums Stems sets, XPro Styles PAK 10, Xtra Styles PAK 21, and much more!
Upgrade your Band-in-a-Box for Windows to save up to 50% on most Band-in-a-Box® 2026 upgrade packages!
Plus, when you order your Band-in-a-Box® 2026 upgrade during our special, you'll receive a Free Bonus PAK of exciting new add-ons.
If you need any help deciding which package is the best option for you, just let us know. We are here to help!
Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Windows® Special Offers Extended Until January 15, 2026!
Good news! You still have time to upgrade to the latest version of Band-in-a-Box® for Windows® and save. Our Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Windows® special now runs through January 15, 2025!
We've packed Band-in-a-Box® 2026 with major new features, enhancements, and an incredible lineup of new content! The program now sports a sleek, modern GUI redesign across the entire interface, including updated toolbars, refreshed windows, smoother workflows, a new dark mode option, and more. The brand-new side toolbar provides quicker access to key windows, while the new Multi-View feature lets you arrange multiple windows as layered panels without overlap, creating a flexible, clutter-free workspace. We have an amazing new “AI-Notes” feature. This transcribes polyphonic audio into MIDI so you can view it in notation or play it back as MIDI. You can process an entire track (all pitched instruments and drums) or focus on individual parts like drums, bass, guitars/piano, or vocals. There's an amazing collection of new content too, including 202 RealTracks, new RealStyles, MIDI SuperTracks, Instrumental Studies, “Songs with Vocals” Artist Performance Sets, Playable RealTracks Set 5, two RealDrums Stems sets, XPro Styles PAK 10, Xtra Styles PAK 21, and much more!
There are over 100 new features in Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Windows®.
When you order purchase Band-in-a-Box® 2026 before 11:59 PM PST on January 15th, you'll also receive a Free Bonus PAK packed with exciting new add-ons.
Upgrade to Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Windows® today! Check out the Band-in-a-Box® packages page for all the purchase options available.
Happy New Year!
Thank you for being part of the Band-in-a-Box® community.
Wishing you and yours a very happy 2026—Happy New Year from all of us at PG Music!
Season's Greetings!
Wishing everyone a happy, healthy holiday season—thanks for being part of our community!
The office will be closed for Christmas Day, but we will be back on Boxing Day (Dec 26th) at 6:00am PST.
Team PG
Band-in-a-Box 2026 Video: The Newly Designed Piano Roll Window
In this video, we explore the updated Piano Roll, complete with a modernized look and exciting new features. You’ll see new filtering options that make it easy to focus on specific note groups, smoother and more intuitive note entry and editing, and enhanced options for zooming, looping, and more.
Watch the video.
You can see all the 2026 videos on our forum!
Band-in-a-Box 2026 Video: AI Stems & Notes - split polyphonic audio into instruments and transcribe
This video demonstrates how to use the new AI-Notes feature together with the AI-Stems splitter, allowing you to select an audio file and have it separated into individual stems while transcribing each one to its own MIDI track. AI-Notes converts polyphonic audio—either full mixes or individual instruments—into MIDI that you can view in notation or play back instantly.
Watch the video.
You can see all the 2026 videos on our forum!
Bonus PAK and 49-PAK for Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Windows®
With your version 2026 for Windows Pro, MegaPAK, UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, Audiophile Edition or PlusPAK purchase, we'll include a Bonus PAK full of great new Add-ons for FREE! Or upgrade to the 2026 49-PAK for only $49 to receive even more NEW Add-ons including 20 additional RealTracks!
These PAKs are loaded with additional add-ons to supercharge your Band-in-a-Box®!
This Free Bonus PAK includes:
- The 2026 RealCombos Booster PAK:
-For Pro customers, this includes 27 new RealTracks and 23 new RealStyles.
-For MegaPAK customers, this includes 25 new RealTracks and 23 new RealStyles.
-For UltraPAK customers, this includes 12 new RealStyles.
- MIDI Styles Set 92: Look Ma! More MIDI 15: Latin Jazz
- MIDI SuperTracks Set 46: Piano & Organ
- Instrumental Studies Set 24: Groovin' Blues Soloing
- Artist Performance Set 19: Songs with Vocals 9
- Playable RealTracks Set 5
- RealDrums Stems Set 9: Cool Brushes
- SynthMaster Sounds Set 1 (with audio demos)
- Android Band-in-a-Box® App (included)
Looking for more great add-ons, then upgrade to the 2026 49-PAK for just $49 and you'll get:
- 20 Bonus Unreleased RealTracks and RealDrums with 20 RealStyle.
- FLAC Files (lossless audio files) for the 20 Bonus Unreleased RealTracks and RealDrums
- MIDI Styles Set 93: Look Ma! More MIDI 16: SynthMaster
- MIDI SuperTracks Set 47: More SynthMaster
- Instrumental Studies 25 - Soul Jazz Guitar Soloing
- Artist Performance Set 20: Songs with Vocals 10
- RealDrums Stems Set 10: Groovin' Sticks
- SynthMaster Sounds & Styles Set 2 (sounds & styles with audio demos)
Learn more about the Bonus PAKs for Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Windows®!
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Forums57
Topics85,814
Posts796,527
Members39,965
| |
Most Online25,754
Jan 24th, 2025
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Dansk
Deutsch - Windows
Español
Français - Windows
Italiano - Windows
Nederlands
Polski
Português
Svenskt
русский
Japanese
Simplified Chinese
Traditional Chinese
Korean