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Agree with you entirely there Ian.
Food for thought indeed.
If it's any consolation, Monday gets better (Mon. eve here, and I'm on the way home), but only marginally.
Regards,
Marc
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I'm with Marv (above) on this one.
Instead of spending the time reading the book, write some tunes instead.
I'm one of those who bought the Jim Webb book hoping to find the holy grail.
Guess what? there isn't one.
Yes you can pick up one or two tips, but each songwriter ultimately has to find the method and process which works best for him or her.
One or two tips that might take me out of a songwriting rut are worth the $31.95 to me.
Nothing will be the holy grail.
As for songwriting, I've written many many songs in the past few years, considering this is just a hobby and not my career. In Febrary of both 2008 and 2007, I wrote 14 songs in February - 28 songs in 2 months time. I would have done the same in Feb of 2009, but I was in the process of giving away my house for a fire-sale price as I prepared to move cross-country.
Yes, writing songs helps you write more songs - but there comes a point where anyone can use a creative kick-in-the-pants. I'm pretty sure I'll get at least one of those from this book. Pretty cheap price for that.
-Scott
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I may check out that book also. I've never tried to write "hit" songs or follow a formula before, but there may be some ideas worth looking into.
I don't know if this one is in the book or not, but a cell phone can be a very handy thing to record ideas. I wrote a song complete with melody and lyrics while driving on a 4 hour trip once. (And yes, I was using a hands free device).
When I got home all I had to do was listen to the recordings and write it down.
Bob
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I may check out that book also. I've never tried to write "hit" songs or follow a formula before, but there may be some ideas worth looking into.
I don't know if this one is in the book or not, but a cell phone can be a very handy thing to record ideas. I wrote a song complete with melody and lyrics while driving on a 4 hour trip once. (And yes, I was using a hands free device).
When I got home all I had to do was listen to the recordings and write it down.
Bob
I used that feature of my cell phone more than any other feature except for the calling of course.
It was my lyric and melody sketchpad. Then I made the mistake of trying to combine the function of my phone and PDA. Lost the 'record idea' capability of my old phone. I can do it on my new PDA phone, but it's much more complicated. I had it as a 2 button push access on my old phone that I could do without looking.
Like you, get home or sometime later and transcribe the thing into a real performance. Best ever songwriting assistance tool was that phone.
-Scott
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OK, my copy of this book arrived last night. There are some really good tips in the book which I intend to try. It is not a book about a formula. It is a collection of observations and rules of thumb that when used can result in a well crafted song. I've read through perhaps 25% of it, and I have tried, in the past, a few of the techniques just out of personal curiosity. For example, the book recommends deep study of hit songs from a lyrics, melody, harmonic structure, song structure, production techniques, etc. as one of the 125 or so 'tips'. It then says, 'mimic those as best you can', use the original song as a 'ghost' and write a new melody but keep the rhythmic structure exactly the same, etc. I did this several years ago with one of Beck's songs that I really liked, 'The Golden Age'. I tried mimicing every single thing I could pick apart in that song - down to a single instance percussive sound that is in the background of the 1st verse, that I couldn't do with a synth or other instrument, but I could mimic it with my voice. I tried copying the affectations of Beck's voice, everything. My version's acoustic guitar tracks 'swing' a little more than his, and I had to cut down the intro by one pass through the main chord structure (it was for a song contest at KVR), but it helped me to have some courage to do harmony BGVs, and a whole bunch more - like making the drums and vocals very dry while the rest of the tracks are washed in reverb, double-tracking strummed acoustic guitars for a wide sound without chorus, etc. If you listen to Beck's version long enough, from a technical standpoint, you can pick these things out. When folks listened to my version, they first accused me of submitting Beck's backing tracks (my voice still doesn't sound like his too much - even with the mimicry). My version is here: http://rockstarnot.rekkerd.org/songs/new...ute%20cover.mp3Beck's version is all over YouTube and whatnot. I learned a whole bunch about arrangement, effects, production, etc. just in that exercise. I probably had 10 hours into the whole exercise. Probably what the book will be most useful for to me is a roadmap of what to pay attention to in hit popular songs. I've done this in isolation before, but now this guidebook will help me to perhaps make some decisions before saying a song is 'finished', about what elements that are commonly found in hit songs that I might be missing. Again, I don't have a goal to write a hit record, but I like hit records as much as the next person, and I like listening to my own stuff now and then. Might as well make it even a more enjoyable experience! The last really interesting thing about the book is on the last printed page. It showed the date of printing. For my copy, it was December 7, 2009. In other words, it was a print-to-order book. OK, one more thing - the book calls out RealBand alongside Garageband and a couple other programs for good entry-level softwares for songwriting. Congrats PG!
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Scott,
I really enjoyed your song. I'm not familiar with Beck's version of "Golden Age", so it all sounded new to me.
Your vocals reminded me of Roy Orbison, and yes that is a compliment. I really like his stuff.
Good job.
Bob
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