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Changing the way a real instrument plays #323952 12/08/15 08:37 AM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: Aug 2000 Posts: 14,576 Deville, La. USA Russell DeMussel OP Veteran
OP Russell DeMussel Veteran Joined: Aug 2000 Posts: 14,576 Deville, La. USA	I've been doing BB since '96. I love the program and I'm discovering things I didn't know the program was capable of. I've just started tinkering with the real instruments and discovered that you can dump the midi to the real instrument on demand. In this way you can see what's controling the RI. I noticed, however, that if I try to manipulate the midi tracks it doesn't change the way the RI plays. Is there a way where I can do that? If I can then I can make a RI play the way I want to. I want to be able to alter the real tracks in the way I think. For instance, some of the country tracks play like jazz. (Hmmm - wonder why?) If I could change the way the RI plays, such as, more to the way I think a country track should play then the RI's would be absolutely perfect. Any takers on this one? Russ Anyday above ground is a good day Computer is Hp Pavillion Vision 6 Ghz quad core AMD processor 8 Gig memory 1 TB hard drive 6 GB hard drive Windows 7 Premium Loose nut behind the keyboard

Re: Changing the way a real instrument plays Russell DeMussel #323956 12/08/15 08:54 AM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: Aug 2011 Posts: 10,821 Winston Salem, NC USA Jim Fogle Veteran
Jim Fogle Veteran Joined: Aug 2011 Posts: 10,821 Winston Salem, NC USA	The midi does not control the RealTrack instrument. The midi is transcribed by a person that is listening to playback of the RealTrack audio. PG Music then adds the midi transcription data to the RealTrack file. PG Music adds the midi data to RealTracks for notation or viewing on the big piano or fretboard screens. But several users have found additional uses for the midi data. Jim Fogle - 2025 BiaB (Build 1128) RB (Build 5) - Ultra+ PAK DAWs: Cakewalk Sonar - Standalone: Zoom MRS-8 Laptop: i3 Win 10, 8GB ram 500GB HDD Desktop: i7 Win 11, 12GB ram 256GB SSD, 4 TB HDD Music at: https://fogle622.wix.com/fogle622-audio-home

Re: Changing the way a real instrument plays Russell DeMussel #323957 12/08/15 08:54 AM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: Dec 2000 Posts: 12,674 Pensacola, Florida jford Veteran
jford Veteran Joined: Dec 2000 Posts: 12,674 Pensacola, Florida	Russ - I think you have it backwards. The MIDI (RealChart) associated with a Real Instrument is just the transcription of what the already Real Instrument played. The MIDI associated with that is not driving the RealTrack; it's the other way around - the MIDI was created based on what the RealTrack played. This allows you to see the notes (as notation for example), or perhaps to use with a MIDI sound source to create your own rendition, but it won't sound like the RealTrack itself, since the MIDI file won't have all the nuances of a real player. So you can't take a MIDI file and have a RealTrack play it. Change the notes all you want, and you'll find that the RealTrack just keeps playing the same thing, because it's pre-recorded audio phrases. The RealCharts were added much later to RealTracks to let people see what the performer was doing when he/she recorded it. John Laptop-HP Omen I7 Win11Pro 32GB 2x2TB, 1x4TB SSD Desktop-ASUS-I7 Win10Pro 32GB 2x1.5TB, 2x2TB, 1x4TB SATA BB2025/UMC404HD/Casios/Cakewalk/Reaper/Studio One/MixBus/Notion/Finale/Dorico/Noteworthy/NI/Halion/IK http://www.sus4chord.com

Re: Changing the way a real instrument plays jford #323966 12/08/15 09:12 AM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: Aug 2000 Posts: 14,576 Deville, La. USA Russell DeMussel OP Veteran
OP Russell DeMussel Veteran Joined: Aug 2000 Posts: 14,576 Deville, La. USA	Thanks John and Jim. That's a big help. So, in order to have a track that does what I want it to do then I'd have to create a user track. But that means I'd have to play the instrument I want used. However, I don't play steel,fiddle, organ and such. So in using a user track it would be pretty limited I guess. I assume that in making a user track I could play leads and such, right? Russ Anyday above ground is a good day Computer is Hp Pavillion Vision 6 Ghz quad core AMD processor 8 Gig memory 1 TB hard drive 6 GB hard drive Windows 7 Premium Loose nut behind the keyboard

Re: Changing the way a real instrument plays Russell DeMussel #323975 12/08/15 09:50 AM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: Dec 2000 Posts: 12,674 Pensacola, Florida jford Veteran
jford Veteran Joined: Dec 2000 Posts: 12,674 Pensacola, Florida	Correct. Of course, in creating a user track, there's no reason you couldn't create it using MIDI (for example, using a MIDI guitar) and then assigning a different high quality MIDI instrument to it, then rendering it to audio as your user track in whatever sound you want. John Laptop-HP Omen I7 Win11Pro 32GB 2x2TB, 1x4TB SSD Desktop-ASUS-I7 Win10Pro 32GB 2x1.5TB, 2x2TB, 1x4TB SATA BB2025/UMC404HD/Casios/Cakewalk/Reaper/Studio One/MixBus/Notion/Finale/Dorico/Noteworthy/NI/Halion/IK http://www.sus4chord.com

Re: Changing the way a real instrument plays Russell DeMussel #323978 12/08/15 10:34 AM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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musiclover Veteran Joined: Aug 2009 Posts: 3,034 Derry,Ireland	Not what you need, but if a realtrack has midi data, then going into edit and move tracks the midi transcription can be copied to say the soloist, then you can change the patch and use the piano roll to edit. Probably a lot of strange effects though and unusable in a lot of cases. No doubt you are aware of this already Russ, hope everything is well with you. Musiclover Last edited by musiclover; 12/08/15 10:35 AM. Musiclover My music https://www.youtube.com/user/donegalprideofall Windows 10 (64bit) M-Audio Fast Track Pro, Band in a Box 2025, Cubase 14, Cakewalk and far too many VST plugins that I probably don't need or will ever use

Re: Changing the way a real instrument plays Russell DeMussel #323991 12/08/15 12:10 PM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 5,120 California Muzic Trax Veteran
Muzic Trax Veteran Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 5,120 California	Good to see you Russ ! If you are wanting an exact replica of a specific song, you will have to record the parts in either midi or audio. The RealTracks are basically musical riffs that generate over a set of chords like the midi styles do. Same with the soloists. Hope you are doing well brother. Trax

Re: Changing the way a real instrument plays Russell DeMussel #324045 12/08/15 03:48 PM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: Aug 2011 Posts: 10,821 Winston Salem, NC USA Jim Fogle Veteran
Jim Fogle Veteran Joined: Aug 2011 Posts: 10,821 Winston Salem, NC USA	Russell, UserTracks can be used for solo, melody, rhythm or even drums but the UserTrack is subject to splicing, pitch and time shifting (drums are not pitch shifted) the same way BiaB and RB works with RealTracks. If I was going to make a melody or solo UserTrack I would study the PG Music RealTracks hunting for hints as how their tracks turn out so good. If you say in a UserTrack sgu file bar 3 is filled with a four beat "C" chord when bar 3 actually has four quarter note "C" chords the bar can't be interpeted correctly. On the other hand, the chordsheet is limited to four chords per bar. So you have to be very careful in choosing what you play and how you score it on the chordsheet. For melody or solo parts, or even fills, you may want to think about creating audio loops. BiaB and RB allows you to make loops! Jim Fogle - 2025 BiaB (Build 1128) RB (Build 5) - Ultra+ PAK DAWs: Cakewalk Sonar - Standalone: Zoom MRS-8 Laptop: i3 Win 10, 8GB ram 500GB HDD Desktop: i7 Win 11, 12GB ram 256GB SSD, 4 TB HDD Music at: https://fogle622.wix.com/fogle622-audio-home

Re: Changing the way a real instrument plays Jim Fogle #324189 12/09/15 02:22 PM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: Aug 2000 Posts: 14,576 Deville, La. USA Russell DeMussel OP Veteran
OP Russell DeMussel Veteran Joined: Aug 2000 Posts: 14,576 Deville, La. USA	Thanks guys for all your feedback. What I'd like to see/hear is a real instrument that would follow a midi. I have that drum kit that does that. Sounds great because the drums to can be split into individual tracks and each track can be controlled, unlike a real drum track. I guess in order to get that I need to learn how to create special intruments that will work on the order of a sound font but play a real instrument. Not gonna happen. I've got prostrate cancer. I'm having to take radiation treatments 5 times a week for 8 weeks. I'm in the middle of week 2 now. It's sort of wiped my tail feathers out where I don't feel like doing anything. I've been working on a couple of cover songs as a show case on how well I can create without my music studio. I can sing straight into the laptop mic's and they sound clean. I kid you not. I wanted to show how easy it is to make a tune using just your mouse. Both songs came out pretty good but they are very unfinished without adding my guitar and bass. I've also found out how to make good sounding harmony using the TCHelicon. Just lower the volume presets to half way from the center down. Then you can spice the harmonies up using the plugs. I don't know if any of you use the TCHelicon or not. I was just messiing with it during beta and discovered it. It's good to see all you guys from the past. Glad to make connections again. Russ Anyday above ground is a good day Computer is Hp Pavillion Vision 6 Ghz quad core AMD processor 8 Gig memory 1 TB hard drive 6 GB hard drive Windows 7 Premium Loose nut behind the keyboard

Re: Changing the way a real instrument plays Russell DeMussel #324296 12/10/15 03:23 AM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: Dec 2000 Posts: 12,674 Pensacola, Florida jford Veteran
jford Veteran Joined: Dec 2000 Posts: 12,674 Pensacola, Florida	Good to see you back on the forum, Russ. I still recall the cover you did of Dire Straits "Sultans of Swing" that nailed it. Good luck with the treatments and I hope all works out well for you. And keep exploring RealTracks; they may not do what you want in terms of following a melody line, but for accompaniment, they really rock. John Laptop-HP Omen I7 Win11Pro 32GB 2x2TB, 1x4TB SSD Desktop-ASUS-I7 Win10Pro 32GB 2x1.5TB, 2x2TB, 1x4TB SATA BB2025/UMC404HD/Casios/Cakewalk/Reaper/Studio One/MixBus/Notion/Finale/Dorico/Noteworthy/NI/Halion/IK http://www.sus4chord.com

Re: Changing the way a real instrument plays Russell DeMussel #324305 12/10/15 04:07 AM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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Pat Marr Veteran Joined: Oct 2008 Posts: 8,075 Winston-Salem, NC	Quote: Not gonna happen. I've got prostrate cancer. I'm having to take radiation treatments 5 times a week for 8 weeks. I'm in the middle of week 2 now. It's sort of wiped my tail feathers out where I don't feel like doing anything. hang in there buddy. I know it's kicking your butt, but be comforted by the fact that the treatment of prostate cancer has a high success rate. Please keep us posted. (not only on the treatment but also on your music) https://www.dropbox.com/sh/ey71h8ep047758h/AAC12jNM0Hz9Q8zsh5iDeqNHa?dl=0

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