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I always loved songs with humming or whistling on top of the solo-player, whistling same melody as the instrument playing.. In BiaB it's not possible to use VSTi on a audio track as far as I understand, but it should be made possible, since so many RealTracks have the realcharts and it is, after all, Midi ! The only workaround I know of is to save the solotrack/Melodytrack as Midi, then open it againd and assign the track to an VSTi, and then save this track as audio, and then import this audio track to the song... Is there a better way?
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I always loved songs with humming or whistling on top of the solo-player, whistling same melody as the instrument playing.. In BiaB it's not possible to use VSTi on a audio track as far as I understand, but it should be made possible, since so many RealTracks have the realcharts and it is, after all, Midi ! The only workaround I know of is to save the solotrack/Melodytrack as Midi, then open it againd and assign the track to an VSTi, and then save this track as audio, and then import this audio track to the song... Is there a better way? If I'm not mistaken, you could export the Realchart as midi (recognising, or at least I've read here, that only the piano Realcharts will play back credibly as midi; other instrument RealCharts are really just visual aids which don't sound so hot as midi); then close the BIB project; open it with RealBand, drag the new midi clip into that, assign a VSTi, and then treat as normal. You could also import the midi file to another DAW, but by not using RealBand, you'd be losing all the functionality it has in common with BIB. In other words, in RealBand you could carry on doing BIB-like things (generating / playing with / changing RealTracks etc)
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About the RealTracks with notation playing back credibly as MIDI, you are correct about the piano but it's more than that. Quite a few other instruments can sound pretty good. You just have to try each one.
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I have used Real Charts to create a parallel MIDI track. It won't match exactly, but it's doable.
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Trygve Larson,
I believe you are combining two features which really are not related to each other in this instance.
Feature 1: RealTrack midi. PG Music has someone transcribe midi used with a Realtrack. The midi does not generate the audio, the audio was listened to and a midi transcription was created, after the fact. One of the ways the midi transcription gets used is to notate a RealChart.
Feature 2: Use a VSTi to receive midi and generate an audio output. Both Band-in-a-Box and RealBand can do this. The VSTi can be inserted into a track as an effect.
To use RealChart midi with a VSTi you will need to export a RealTrack as midi, import the midi into a new track then insert the VSTi into the new track.
BiaB is limited to eight tracks with one track reserved for drums. RealBand can have 48 tracks so it might be a better choice in this case.
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Ok, thank's for suggestions guys ! Jim, u said; "export a RealTrack as midi, import the midi into a new track then insert the VSTi into the new track." Can this be done with out close BiaB first then reopen it? Can we add our own midi track to the Midi supertrack list ? Where is the midi supertrack located? Or, is it just embedded in a BiaB song file? Like in the Midi Supertrack demo folder?
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Ok, thank's for suggestions guys !
Jim, u said; "export a RealTrack as midi, import the midi into a new track then insert the VSTi into the new track." Can this be done with out close BiaB first then reopen it? Yes you can. (Please note my instructions are not exact as I am not at my computer. Everthing I'm telling you is by memory so take it with a grain of salt.) Highlight the midi you want to export then you can either (a) drag the highlighted midi to the midi dropbox on the left side of the screen or (b) go to "File" then select export as midi. (a) will export to the daw dropbox folder. (b) will be saved wherever you select during the save process.
Can we add our own midi track to the Midi supertrack list ? Not that I'm aware of. The program most likely has a file that includes the name of all midi supertracks but I have no idea how to modify the list.
Where is the midi supertrack located? Not sure. Maybe anothet user can tell us.
Or, is it just embedded in a BiaB song file? Like in the Midi Supertrack demo folder? I don't think so. PG Music says you can edit a midi supertrack but I never have.
I'm not clear about what you're wanting to do. Sometime you ask about midi and other times you mention midi supertracks. Technically I'm pretty sure a midi supertrack is standard midi, it just originates from PG Music. I believe midi supertrack is a marketing name PG Music gives to midi created by an artist performance instead of the midi being created by a software program. No matter how it is created it is still midi, I think. Regular midi can be imported from wherever you store the file. I'll have to look for the path PG Music uses to store the midi supertracks.
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I'm not clear about what you're wanting to do. Sometime you ask about midi and other times you mention midi supertracks. Technically I'm pretty sure a midi supertrack is standard midi, it just originates from PG Music. I believe midi supertrack is a marketing name PG Music gives to midi created by an artist performance instead of the midi being created by a software program. No matter how it is created it is still midi, I think. Regular midi can be imported from wherever you store the file. I'll have to look for the path PG Music uses to store the midi supertracks.
Jim is correct. MIDI supertracks are pure MIDI. Think of it this way, RealTracks are audio recordings of a professional musician while MIDI supertracks are MIDI recordings of a professional musician. Yes you can modify any MIDI supertracks as they are pure MIDI. I hope this helps.
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As I understand it, MIDI Super Tracks are MIDI, but are processed much like a RealTrack is processed. They use a different engine than the MIDI processed within a traditional MIDI style. Like a RealTrack, you select the MST individually, although they can be included as part of a style. BIAB recognizes the track as MIDI Super Track and handles it accordingly.
For playback, you can choose whatever MIDI device you with, to include Hi-Q patches, a general MIDI source, a VSTi or DXi, etc. You can even assign a different instrument than what was intended.
My understanding is that MIDI Super Tracks fill the need for performance style where it doesn't matter so much the instrument used (for example, a piano, for which there are excellent synths to make a piano sound). That's why you don't find guitar MST's, because they will pretty much always sound like a synth, rather than a real guitar.
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I'm not clear about what you're wanting to do. Sometime you ask about midi and other times you mention midi supertracks. Technically I'm pretty sure a midi supertrack is standard midi, it just originates from PG Music. I believe midi supertrack is a marketing name PG Music gives to midi created by an artist performance instead of the midi being created by a software program. No matter how it is created it is still midi, I think. Regular midi can be imported from wherever you store the file. I'll have to look for the path PG Music uses to store the midi supertracks.
Sorry for not being more clear... What I would like to do, if possible, was to assign a VSTi directly to the real track to have a synth playing over the same notes as the real instrument, by taking advantage of the fact that there in many instances actually is a realchart in that same track...as Midi. I know the way of saving the track as midi, then import it and assign the VSTi to it and save the result as audio, then import this audio into the audio track of the song... This way is a bit cumbersome, so I just wanted to make sure that there is no other way... And, if it is not possible today, I would like to suggest it to be possible, but I guess I have to bring that suggestion to the new feature wish forum, lol... Another way that came to my mind was to possible save the midi in the real chart as a super midi usertrack if I just would know where to save it to be included in the super midi file list...
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We see frequent questions about wanting to have the great sound of a realtrack in an editable form, like MIDI. The answer is no. As john said, the midi data that accompanies some realtacks is only approximate.
I am exploring the capabilities of MIDI Supertracks lately, and am very impressed. They have some of the naturalness and musicianship of the RealTracks, and the MIDI notation is dead accurate, of course. They sound great when played through some of the Sample Tank patches. In some cases they do what I want better than Realtracks.
I would suggest to Trygve that he explore the capabilities of SMTs to do what he wants.
Maybe if more users worked with SMTs, PG would take them more seriously, and produce more of them.
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