|
Log in to post
|
Print Thread |
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
|
Joined: Oct 2015
Posts: 1,143
Expert
|
OP
Expert
Joined: Oct 2015
Posts: 1,143 |
I always loved songs with humming or whistling on top of the solo-player, whistling same melody as the instrument playing.. In BiaB it's not possible to use VSTi on a audio track as far as I understand, but it should be made possible, since so many RealTracks have the realcharts and it is, after all, Midi ! The only workaround I know of is to save the solotrack/Melodytrack as Midi, then open it againd and assign the track to an VSTi, and then save this track as audio, and then import this audio track to the song... Is there a better way?
Forever Grateful, BUT, sometimes pissed of.  Trygve "Leo" Larsen BiaB 2020, Windows 8.1, Intel Core i5 CPU, 270GHz, 32 Gb RAM My OLD tracks on Soundcloud; https://soundcloud.com/trygve-larsen My NEW is unpublished The Universe = Uni-verse ie one song.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
|
Joined: Aug 2013
Posts: 173
Apprentice
|
|
Apprentice
Joined: Aug 2013
Posts: 173 |
I always loved songs with humming or whistling on top of the solo-player, whistling same melody as the instrument playing.. In BiaB it's not possible to use VSTi on a audio track as far as I understand, but it should be made possible, since so many RealTracks have the realcharts and it is, after all, Midi ! The only workaround I know of is to save the solotrack/Melodytrack as Midi, then open it againd and assign the track to an VSTi, and then save this track as audio, and then import this audio track to the song... Is there a better way? If I'm not mistaken, you could export the Realchart as midi (recognising, or at least I've read here, that only the piano Realcharts will play back credibly as midi; other instrument RealCharts are really just visual aids which don't sound so hot as midi); then close the BIB project; open it with RealBand, drag the new midi clip into that, assign a VSTi, and then treat as normal. You could also import the midi file to another DAW, but by not using RealBand, you'd be losing all the functionality it has in common with BIB. In other words, in RealBand you could carry on doing BIB-like things (generating / playing with / changing RealTracks etc)
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
|
Joined: Jul 2000
Posts: 27,408
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: Jul 2000
Posts: 27,408 |
About the RealTracks with notation playing back credibly as MIDI, you are correct about the piano but it's more than that. Quite a few other instruments can sound pretty good. You just have to try each one.
BIAB 2025 Win Audiophile. Software: Studio One 7 Pro, Swam horns, Acoustica-7, Notion 6, Song Master Pro, Win 11 Home. Hardware: Intel i9, 32 Gb; Presonus 192 & Faderport 8, Royer 121, Slate VSX, Adam Sub8 & Neumann 120 monitors.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
|
Joined: Dec 2000
Posts: 12,789
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: Dec 2000
Posts: 12,789 |
I have used Real Charts to create a parallel MIDI track. It won't match exactly, but it's doable.
John Laptop-HP Omen I7 Win11Pro 32GB 12TB SSD Desktop-ASUS-I7 Win10Pro 32GB 12TB SATA BB2026/UMC204HD&404HD/Casios/Cakewalk/Reaper/Studio One/Notion/Dorico/Noteworthy/NI/Halion/IK http://www.sus4chord.com (under rehosting/construction)
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
|
Joined: Aug 2011
Posts: 10,947
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: Aug 2011
Posts: 10,947 |
Trygve Larson,
I believe you are combining two features which really are not related to each other in this instance.
Feature 1: RealTrack midi. PG Music has someone transcribe midi used with a Realtrack. The midi does not generate the audio, the audio was listened to and a midi transcription was created, after the fact. One of the ways the midi transcription gets used is to notate a RealChart.
Feature 2: Use a VSTi to receive midi and generate an audio output. Both Band-in-a-Box and RealBand can do this. The VSTi can be inserted into a track as an effect.
To use RealChart midi with a VSTi you will need to export a RealTrack as midi, import the midi into a new track then insert the VSTi into the new track.
BiaB is limited to eight tracks with one track reserved for drums. RealBand can have 48 tracks so it might be a better choice in this case.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
|
Joined: Oct 2015
Posts: 1,143
Expert
|
|
OP
Expert
Joined: Oct 2015
Posts: 1,143 |
Ok, thank's for suggestions guys ! Jim, u said; "export a RealTrack as midi, import the midi into a new track then insert the VSTi into the new track." Can this be done with out close BiaB first then reopen it? Can we add our own midi track to the Midi supertrack list ? Where is the midi supertrack located? Or, is it just embedded in a BiaB song file? Like in the Midi Supertrack demo folder?
Forever Grateful, BUT, sometimes pissed of. Trygve "Leo" Larsen BiaB 2020, Windows 8.1, Intel Core i5 CPU, 270GHz, 32 Gb RAM My OLD tracks on Soundcloud; https://soundcloud.com/trygve-larsen My NEW is unpublished The Universe = Uni-verse ie one song.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
|
Joined: Aug 2011
Posts: 10,947
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: Aug 2011
Posts: 10,947 |
Ok, thank's for suggestions guys !
Jim, u said; "export a RealTrack as midi, import the midi into a new track then insert the VSTi into the new track." Can this be done with out close BiaB first then reopen it? Yes you can. (Please note my instructions are not exact as I am not at my computer. Everthing I'm telling you is by memory so take it with a grain of salt.) Highlight the midi you want to export then you can either (a) drag the highlighted midi to the midi dropbox on the left side of the screen or (b) go to "File" then select export as midi. (a) will export to the daw dropbox folder. (b) will be saved wherever you select during the save process.
Can we add our own midi track to the Midi supertrack list ? Not that I'm aware of. The program most likely has a file that includes the name of all midi supertracks but I have no idea how to modify the list.
Where is the midi supertrack located? Not sure. Maybe anothet user can tell us.
Or, is it just embedded in a BiaB song file? Like in the Midi Supertrack demo folder? I don't think so. PG Music says you can edit a midi supertrack but I never have.
I'm not clear about what you're wanting to do. Sometime you ask about midi and other times you mention midi supertracks. Technically I'm pretty sure a midi supertrack is standard midi, it just originates from PG Music. I believe midi supertrack is a marketing name PG Music gives to midi created by an artist performance instead of the midi being created by a software program. No matter how it is created it is still midi, I think. Regular midi can be imported from wherever you store the file. I'll have to look for the path PG Music uses to store the midi supertracks.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
|
Joined: Dec 2003
Posts: 24,185
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: Dec 2003
Posts: 24,185 |
I'm not clear about what you're wanting to do. Sometime you ask about midi and other times you mention midi supertracks. Technically I'm pretty sure a midi supertrack is standard midi, it just originates from PG Music. I believe midi supertrack is a marketing name PG Music gives to midi created by an artist performance instead of the midi being created by a software program. No matter how it is created it is still midi, I think. Regular midi can be imported from wherever you store the file. I'll have to look for the path PG Music uses to store the midi supertracks.
Jim is correct. MIDI supertracks are pure MIDI. Think of it this way, RealTracks are audio recordings of a professional musician while MIDI supertracks are MIDI recordings of a professional musician. Yes you can modify any MIDI supertracks as they are pure MIDI. I hope this helps.
I'm in a fitness protection program. I'm been hiding from exercise.
64 bit Win 10 Pro, the latest BiaB/RB, Roland Octa-Capture audio interface, a ton of software/hardware
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
|
Joined: Dec 2000
Posts: 12,789
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: Dec 2000
Posts: 12,789 |
As I understand it, MIDI Super Tracks are MIDI, but are processed much like a RealTrack is processed. They use a different engine than the MIDI processed within a traditional MIDI style. Like a RealTrack, you select the MST individually, although they can be included as part of a style. BIAB recognizes the track as MIDI Super Track and handles it accordingly.
For playback, you can choose whatever MIDI device you with, to include Hi-Q patches, a general MIDI source, a VSTi or DXi, etc. You can even assign a different instrument than what was intended.
My understanding is that MIDI Super Tracks fill the need for performance style where it doesn't matter so much the instrument used (for example, a piano, for which there are excellent synths to make a piano sound). That's why you don't find guitar MST's, because they will pretty much always sound like a synth, rather than a real guitar.
John Laptop-HP Omen I7 Win11Pro 32GB 12TB SSD Desktop-ASUS-I7 Win10Pro 32GB 12TB SATA BB2026/UMC204HD&404HD/Casios/Cakewalk/Reaper/Studio One/Notion/Dorico/Noteworthy/NI/Halion/IK http://www.sus4chord.com (under rehosting/construction)
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
|
Joined: Oct 2015
Posts: 1,143
Expert
|
|
OP
Expert
Joined: Oct 2015
Posts: 1,143 |
I'm not clear about what you're wanting to do. Sometime you ask about midi and other times you mention midi supertracks. Technically I'm pretty sure a midi supertrack is standard midi, it just originates from PG Music. I believe midi supertrack is a marketing name PG Music gives to midi created by an artist performance instead of the midi being created by a software program. No matter how it is created it is still midi, I think. Regular midi can be imported from wherever you store the file. I'll have to look for the path PG Music uses to store the midi supertracks.
Sorry for not being more clear... What I would like to do, if possible, was to assign a VSTi directly to the real track to have a synth playing over the same notes as the real instrument, by taking advantage of the fact that there in many instances actually is a realchart in that same track...as Midi. I know the way of saving the track as midi, then import it and assign the VSTi to it and save the result as audio, then import this audio into the audio track of the song... This way is a bit cumbersome, so I just wanted to make sure that there is no other way... And, if it is not possible today, I would like to suggest it to be possible, but I guess I have to bring that suggestion to the new feature wish forum, lol... Another way that came to my mind was to possible save the midi in the real chart as a super midi usertrack if I just would know where to save it to be included in the super midi file list...
Forever Grateful, BUT, sometimes pissed of. Trygve "Leo" Larsen BiaB 2020, Windows 8.1, Intel Core i5 CPU, 270GHz, 32 Gb RAM My OLD tracks on Soundcloud; https://soundcloud.com/trygve-larsen My NEW is unpublished The Universe = Uni-verse ie one song.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
|
Joined: Jun 2000
Posts: 2,217
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: Jun 2000
Posts: 2,217 |
We see frequent questions about wanting to have the great sound of a realtrack in an editable form, like MIDI. The answer is no. As john said, the midi data that accompanies some realtacks is only approximate.
I am exploring the capabilities of MIDI Supertracks lately, and am very impressed. They have some of the naturalness and musicianship of the RealTracks, and the MIDI notation is dead accurate, of course. They sound great when played through some of the Sample Tank patches. In some cases they do what I want better than Realtracks.
I would suggest to Trygve that he explore the capabilities of SMTs to do what he wants.
Maybe if more users worked with SMTs, PG would take them more seriously, and produce more of them.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Ask sales and support questions about Band-in-a-Box using natural language.
ChatPG's knowledge base includes the full Band-in-a-Box User Manual and sales information from the website.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box 2026 for Windows Special Offers End Tomorrow (January 15th, 2026) at 11:59 PM PST!
Time really is running out! Save up to 50% on Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Windows® upgrades and receive a FREE Bonus PAK—only when you order by 11:59 PM PST on Thursday, January 15, 2026!
We've added many major new features and new content in a redesigned Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Windows®!
Version 2026 introduces a modernized GUI redesign across the program, with updated toolbars, refreshed windows, smoother workflows, and a new Dark Mode option. There’s also a new side toolbar for quicker access to commonly used windows, and the new Multi-View feature lets you arrange multiple windows as layered panels without overlap, making it easier to customize your workspace.
Another exciting new addition is the new AI-Notes feature, which can transcribe polyphonic audio into MIDI. You can view the results in notation or play them back as MIDI, and choose whether to process an entire track or focus on specific parts like drums, bass, guitars/piano, or vocals. There's over 100 new features in Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Windows®.
There's an amazing collection of new content too, including 202 RealTracks, new RealStyles, MIDI SuperTracks, Instrumental Studies, “Songs with Vocals” Artist Performance Sets, Playable RealTracks Set 5, two RealDrums Stems sets, XPro Styles PAK 10, Xtra Styles PAK 21, and much more!
Upgrade your Band-in-a-Box for Windows to save up to 50% on most Band-in-a-Box® 2026 upgrade packages!
Plus, when you order your Band-in-a-Box® 2026 upgrade during our special, you'll receive a Free Bonus PAK of exciting new add-ons.
If you need any help deciding which package is the best option for you, just let us know. We are here to help!
Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Windows® Special Offers Extended Until January 15, 2026!
Good news! You still have time to upgrade to the latest version of Band-in-a-Box® for Windows® and save. Our Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Windows® special now runs through January 15, 2025!
We've packed Band-in-a-Box® 2026 with major new features, enhancements, and an incredible lineup of new content! The program now sports a sleek, modern GUI redesign across the entire interface, including updated toolbars, refreshed windows, smoother workflows, a new dark mode option, and more. The brand-new side toolbar provides quicker access to key windows, while the new Multi-View feature lets you arrange multiple windows as layered panels without overlap, creating a flexible, clutter-free workspace. We have an amazing new “AI-Notes” feature. This transcribes polyphonic audio into MIDI so you can view it in notation or play it back as MIDI. You can process an entire track (all pitched instruments and drums) or focus on individual parts like drums, bass, guitars/piano, or vocals. There's an amazing collection of new content too, including 202 RealTracks, new RealStyles, MIDI SuperTracks, Instrumental Studies, “Songs with Vocals” Artist Performance Sets, Playable RealTracks Set 5, two RealDrums Stems sets, XPro Styles PAK 10, Xtra Styles PAK 21, and much more!
There are over 100 new features in Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Windows®.
When you order purchase Band-in-a-Box® 2026 before 11:59 PM PST on January 15th, you'll also receive a Free Bonus PAK packed with exciting new add-ons.
Upgrade to Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Windows® today! Check out the Band-in-a-Box® packages page for all the purchase options available.
Happy New Year!
Thank you for being part of the Band-in-a-Box® community.
Wishing you and yours a very happy 2026—Happy New Year from all of us at PG Music!
Season's Greetings!
Wishing everyone a happy, healthy holiday season—thanks for being part of our community!
The office will be closed for Christmas Day, but we will be back on Boxing Day (Dec 26th) at 6:00am PST.
Team PG
Band-in-a-Box 2026 Video: The Newly Designed Piano Roll Window
In this video, we explore the updated Piano Roll, complete with a modernized look and exciting new features. You’ll see new filtering options that make it easy to focus on specific note groups, smoother and more intuitive note entry and editing, and enhanced options for zooming, looping, and more.
Watch the video.
You can see all the 2026 videos on our forum!
Band-in-a-Box 2026 Video: AI Stems & Notes - split polyphonic audio into instruments and transcribe
This video demonstrates how to use the new AI-Notes feature together with the AI-Stems splitter, allowing you to select an audio file and have it separated into individual stems while transcribing each one to its own MIDI track. AI-Notes converts polyphonic audio—either full mixes or individual instruments—into MIDI that you can view in notation or play back instantly.
Watch the video.
You can see all the 2026 videos on our forum!
Bonus PAK and 49-PAK for Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Windows®
With your version 2026 for Windows Pro, MegaPAK, UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, Audiophile Edition or PlusPAK purchase, we'll include a Bonus PAK full of great new Add-ons for FREE! Or upgrade to the 2026 49-PAK for only $49 to receive even more NEW Add-ons including 20 additional RealTracks!
These PAKs are loaded with additional add-ons to supercharge your Band-in-a-Box®!
This Free Bonus PAK includes:
- The 2026 RealCombos Booster PAK:
-For Pro customers, this includes 27 new RealTracks and 23 new RealStyles.
-For MegaPAK customers, this includes 25 new RealTracks and 23 new RealStyles.
-For UltraPAK customers, this includes 12 new RealStyles.
- MIDI Styles Set 92: Look Ma! More MIDI 15: Latin Jazz
- MIDI SuperTracks Set 46: Piano & Organ
- Instrumental Studies Set 24: Groovin' Blues Soloing
- Artist Performance Set 19: Songs with Vocals 9
- Playable RealTracks Set 5
- RealDrums Stems Set 9: Cool Brushes
- SynthMaster Sounds Set 1 (with audio demos)
- Android Band-in-a-Box® App (included)
Looking for more great add-ons, then upgrade to the 2026 49-PAK for just $49 and you'll get:
- 20 Bonus Unreleased RealTracks and RealDrums with 20 RealStyle.
- FLAC Files (lossless audio files) for the 20 Bonus Unreleased RealTracks and RealDrums
- MIDI Styles Set 93: Look Ma! More MIDI 16: SynthMaster
- MIDI SuperTracks Set 47: More SynthMaster
- Instrumental Studies 25 - Soul Jazz Guitar Soloing
- Artist Performance Set 20: Songs with Vocals 10
- RealDrums Stems Set 10: Groovin' Sticks
- SynthMaster Sounds & Styles Set 2 (sounds & styles with audio demos)
Learn more about the Bonus PAKs for Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Windows®!
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Forums57
Topics85,570
Posts793,390
Members39,914
| |
Most Online25,754
Jan 24th, 2025
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Dansk
Deutsch - Windows
Español
Français - Windows
Italiano - Windows
Nederlands
Polski
Português
Svenskt
русский
Japanese
Simplified Chinese
Traditional Chinese
Korean