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1) Chord Chart
When I have marked a certain cell in the chord chart and press the “notation button”, I used to get the corresponding bar in e.g. the melody display, in chorus 1. Now I get to all kind of places in the melody, but never in the corresponding bar. This is of course not while the tune is paying!
2) Chord Cart
I have always (also in BB 2015 and earlier versions) had difficulties to enter “slash chord” in a bar cell directly, so I have to change to the “chord entry” display. In BB 2016 I can see my entry while I am typing, but as soon as I press enter (or the move to the right button, I do not get an error response, but the “cursor" is moving to the next cell (or bar), without the newly entered chord showing up, so I have again to use the “chord setting” display.
In the “New Features and New Real Tracks” video there is a demonstration of entering slash chords directly, just the way I want to do.
Why cannot I enter these chords directly in the chord chart?
Tonnie
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I don't have either of the problems you describe. Maybe you can try "Return to Factory Settings" or call PG for help. They provide excellent customer service. Ray
Asus Q500A i7 Win 10 64 bit 8GB ram 750 HD 15.5" touch screen, BIAB 2017, Casio PX 5s, Xw P1, Center Point Stereo SS V3 and EWI 4000s.
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About the slash chords, I wonder if there is an issue with a different language keyboard?
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Foreign language keyboards work o.k. BUT ...
... you need to know which key is which.
So far PGMusic does ignore foreign keyboard layouts. By behavior of BIAB/RB I detect that the programs identify which key on the keyboard is pressed and translate that to the US keyboard layout.
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In textfields the German keyboard layout works alright.
To enter chords one needs to know a little:
Shift 3 is § but in the chords field it results in #
# results in /
Shift 6 is & but in the chords field it results in â red or green ^ (wider than this one)
The ^ on the German keyboard pressed once doesn't do anything visible, pressed twice it is ^^ in standard coloring.
Shift ^ is ° and results in ° (If entered by itself. In conjunction with something else like A or M for example the result is A\ or M\)
+ results in +
I didn't yet set my keyboard to the US layout, but might do so in the next couple of days just for test purposes.
Last edited by GHinCH; 12/15/15 01:16 AM. Reason: Addendum to "°"
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My keyboard layout is “Scandinavian” (Danish/Swedish/Norwegian), so that might be the reason I always have had trouble to enter a slash chord.
However, the slash is situated on the 7-key, which I think I the international standard.
Tonnie
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In my case, when I enter chords in BIAB, the slash is on the #-key on the German keyboard layout, which is the third key to the right of the L-key.
For regular use, like entering text Shift-7 is /.
Last edited by GHinCH; 12/15/15 01:20 AM.
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For what it's worth, I use a US layout keyboard and the slash character is located on the key shown below. It's the lower, non-shift character. 
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I did some tests. The US keyboard layout is quite different than that what Tonnie and I have.
I cannot enter several of the glyphs that are on the US keyboard. I hadn't use for them until now. But for what it's worth I, and probably many others in foreign countries with their localized keyboard layout, would prefer to receive a # when I press #. Having to press § to receive # is not a good solution.
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I suspect part of this "mess" is because in the early days of BIAB when it ran on an Atari ST, to speed up entry, the shift key was optional. Shift-3 gave a '#' symbol, so BIAB let you use 3 (without the shift) to get the same character.
Something seems to have changed for 2016 that has broken this "strange" mapping of keys. I guess they didn't have enough odd keyboards to test it all on.
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This isn't the first time a discussion about international keyboard differences has arisen. If I were a software company, I'd find it hard to keep up. Anyway, all this needs to be brought to the attention of Support, which you said you have done.
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Well, Matt, new revisions of a keyboard layout occur much more seldom than software updates. I bet there is an interface to the keyboard layout sitting somewhere around, and as I wrote, in any entry field in BIAB or RB the glyphs on the screen correspond with the glyphs on the keyboard -- except the chords area.
I really suspect that there is something hard coded in the program in more than one place. This hard coded stuff makes it extremely difficult to maintain and modify.
I suspect to be hard coded . . and a reason
File structure . . . . . . . . . . . 1. max number of bars, 2. name of style
Track designators . . . . . . . . Entering accompaniment modifications with "." still require the old b,p,d,g,s..., e.g. F7.g
Chord entry keystrokes . . . . Program reacts differently compared to text entry (shows other glyphs or none at all)
Last edited by GHinCH; 12/22/15 08:19 AM.
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