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Here is a idea. Why not take this and place it on the Wish List. ...Said with a big smile on a cold and dark Sunday morning in Chicago!
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How many *.sty files are in your bb folder? in my bb folder I have 5,088 files with the .STY extension. Then that is what you have. Well, yes, obviously! But my question was why is it reported in several different quantities by BIAB? What is correct? Etc. So your file count in Drive:\BB should match the number of installed styles using the slow rebuild option. And that is where the confusion is...BIAB does not report the same number as are on my drive!
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I don't think they will change it as the programmers seem to have a 'that will do attitude' as is evidenced all over the program. I often feel like a ferret in a labrinth
Z and I'm sure we will shortly have folks responding about how being a "ferret in a labrinth" is a good thing...a handy BIAB feature...to help them learn through discovery or some such reason! 
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Its not a bug ...its a feature!!
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I just checked out the record function again, I was hoping their might be some way of simply recording. If its a MIDI recording then it can be a soloist or a melody recording, but if its an audio recording apparently not. Set recording levels and you get dumped out of the program into Windows. Click ANYWHERE in the box (not on the icon in the corner) and inexplicably, a video is loaded into Windows explorer.
This video first teaches you how to use windows '8/7/vista' then how to use a 'very common audio device' Realtek Audio Manager which it then proceeds to explain (no I am not making this up!4 how to use a realtek device. Enough to confuse any newbie.
Why not actually handle recording in app like other programs?
Further investigation as to how to record Audio brings up the helpful Audio settings panel. Like many other boxes in BIAB be careful where you click as clicking anywhere in the bottom half is liable to tick or untick a box even if you are not hovering over a box. I nearly clicked "Mixer requires keystrokes to open Record Panel"
Apparently this tick box is for windows 95 users! Perhaps the last time the code was revised.
"If you are running Windows 95, check to allow access to the Record Control from Band-in-a-Box. Do not check if using Windows 98 or greater."
Even after taking the ferret through this particular labrinth, if an audio recording is successful, there is no visual representation in the GUI, no layer to see. Only in the Audio edit window can you see something, but then of course you cant see the song or chords.
No, there is no ability to edit in the main gui, there is no ability to cut and paste, no ability to record multiple takes.
I think PG think 'this will do' and since windows 95 - years ago, have seen no urgent need to revise or improve this essential feature.
Recording should be easy, in house, and with proper VISUAL feedback in the main gui. Retakes and cutting and pasting between take should be easy.
Why is there only an ability to record MIDI as a 'soloist' or as a 'melody'. Why not an audio recording of a melody or solo? Its the same answer as why a banjo or violin was a guitar for years. No one has bothered to improve the gui.
I think its legacy coding that they have not bothered to improve since Windows 95 days - 21 years ago. It will do as it is.
It does not matter that any new user would naturally think that an audio recording can be a melody, or a solo. It 'will do' like this.
Why is the Audio track the only track that can be hidden in the mixer? Because it will do like this.
There are examples everywhere of this attitude.
Ferret in a labrinth, that's my experience
Z
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I just checked out the record function again, I was hoping their might be some way of simply recording. If its a MIDI recording then it can be a soloist or a melody recording, but if its an audio recording apparently not. Set recording levels and you get dumped out of the program into Windows. Click ANYWHERE in the box (not on the icon in the corner) and inexplicably, a video is loaded into Windows explorer.
This video first teaches you how to use windows '8/7/vista' then how to use a 'very common audio device' Realtek Audio Manager which it then proceeds to explain (no I am not making this up!4 how to use a realtek device. Enough to confuse any newbie.
Why not actually handle recording in app like other programs?
Further investigation as to how to record Audio brings up the helpful Audio settings panel. Like many other boxes in BIAB be careful where you click as clicking anywhere in the bottom half is liable to tick or untick a box even if you are not hovering over a box. I nearly clicked "Mixer requires keystrokes to open Record Panel"
Apparently this tick box is for windows 95 users! Perhaps the last time the code was revised.
"If you are running Windows 95, check to allow access to the Record Control from Band-in-a-Box. Do not check if using Windows 98 or greater."
Even after taking the ferret through this particular labrinth, if an audio recording is successful, there is no visual representation in the GUI, no layer to see. Only in the Audio edit window can you see something, but then of course you cant see the song or chords.
No, there is no ability to edit in the main gui, there is no ability to cut and paste, no ability to record multiple takes.
I think PG think 'this will do' and since windows 95 - years ago, have seen no urgent need to revise or improve this essential feature.
Recording should be easy, in house, and with proper VISUAL feedback in the main gui. Retakes and cutting and pasting between take should be easy.
Why is there only an ability to record MIDI as a 'soloist' or as a 'melody'. Why not an audio recording of a melody or solo? Its the same answer as why a banjo or violin was a guitar for years. No one has bothered to improve the gui.
I think its legacy coding that they have not bothered to improve since Windows 95 days - 21 years ago. It will do as it is.
It does not matter that any new user would naturally think that an audio recording can be a melody, or a solo. It 'will do' like this.
Why is the Audio track the only track that can be hidden in the mixer? Because it will do like this.
There are examples everywhere of this attitude.
Ferret in a labrinth, that's my experience
Z
You are correct of course but I do not hold much hope for solutions to the things you are describing. My advice to any newbie would be to use BIAB to generate instrument tracks that follow your song's chord progressions & tempo, export them dry & centered and then do all of your production in your modern DAW software. Don't bother with any feature that does not directly aid you in getting those instrument tracks exported!
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I just checked out the record function again, I was hoping their might be some way of simply recording. If its a MIDI recording then it can be a soloist or a melody recording, but if its an audio recording apparently not. Set recording levels and you get dumped out of the program into Windows. Click ANYWHERE in the box (not on the icon in the corner) and inexplicably, a video is loaded into Windows explorer.
This video first teaches you how to use windows '8/7/vista' then how to use a 'very common audio device' Realtek Audio Manager which it then proceeds to explain (no I am not making this up!4 how to use a realtek device. Enough to confuse any newbie.
Why not actually handle recording in app like other programs?
Further investigation as to how to record Audio brings up the helpful Audio settings panel. Like many other boxes in BIAB be careful where you click as clicking anywhere in the bottom half is liable to tick or untick a box even if you are not hovering over a box. I nearly clicked "Mixer requires keystrokes to open Record Panel"
Apparently this tick box is for windows 95 users! Perhaps the last time the code was revised.
"If you are running Windows 95, check to allow access to the Record Control from Band-in-a-Box. Do not check if using Windows 98 or greater."
Even after taking the ferret through this particular labrinth, if an audio recording is successful, there is no visual representation in the GUI, no layer to see. Only in the Audio edit window can you see something, but then of course you cant see the song or chords.
No, there is no ability to edit in the main gui, there is no ability to cut and paste, no ability to record multiple takes.
I think PG think 'this will do' and since windows 95 - years ago, have seen no urgent need to revise or improve this essential feature.
Recording should be easy, in house, and with proper VISUAL feedback in the main gui. Retakes and cutting and pasting between take should be easy.
Why is there only an ability to record MIDI as a 'soloist' or as a 'melody'. Why not an audio recording of a melody or solo? Its the same answer as why a banjo or violin was a guitar for years. No one has bothered to improve the gui.
I think its legacy coding that they have not bothered to improve since Windows 95 days - 21 years ago. It will do as it is.
It does not matter that any new user would naturally think that an audio recording can be a melody, or a solo. It 'will do' like this.
Why is the Audio track the only track that can be hidden in the mixer? Because it will do like this.
There are examples everywhere of this attitude.
Ferret in a labrinth, that's my experience
Z
Edited by ZeroZero (01/03/16 10:03 PM)
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you are correct of course but I do not hold much hope for solutions to the things you are describing. My advice to any newbie would be to use BIAB to generate instrument tracks that follow your song's chord progressions & tempo, export them dry & centered and then do all of your production in your modern DAW software. Don't bother with any feature that does not directly aid you in getting those instrument tracks exported! Sadly true. I don't touch recording, notation(which leaps around) , Audio editors - featureless. VSTs - blippy, simply because they don't have the functionality or fall over. There are some world class features bot overall Its a mess of a gui. The new improvements are about 5 percent of what is required and even they don't work properly Z Z
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You are correct of course but I do not hold much hope for solutions to the things you are describing. My advice to any newbie would be to use BIAB to generate instrument tracks that follow your song's chord progressions & tempo, export them dry & centered and then do all of your production in your modern DAW software. Don't bother with any feature that does not directly aid you in getting those instrument tracks exported!
That is BiaB's main and should be it's only function IMHO. It should drop everything else like recording, notation etc and concentrate on backing tracks, both MIDI and RTs, output (XML, MIDI and audio) and go to 64 bit so our excellent VSTis will work with it. There are far superior tools for recording, audio editing, notation etc. I feel using BiaB's tools for these functions would equivocate to building a house with on a hand saw, hammer and nails while your neighbor builds a house with power tools. YMMV
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Actually that is what BIAB IS - that is its roots - and thst' the ONLY reason I buy it year, after year, after year. The other "slap-ins" (and I do not mean that in a derogatory way) (audio, etc.) within BIAB were ASKED for over the years by USERS. BIAB is NOT A DAW - Like I commented to someone in the RB forum who kept delineating all the things that Reaper does that BIAB and RB does not do - I asked him if he goes to Reaper forum to delineate all the things BIAB and RB does that Reaper DOES NOT! May as well complain about why Excel (a spreadsheet) does not do relational database SQL functions, or why Photoshop doesn't do Nero video functions, or why my Ruger Old Army black powder revolver isn't magazine fed. No I'm not a "PG fanboy" I use BIAB for what I bought it for and it does that exceptionally well. Currently, nothing else, OTHER than Jammer Pro 6, comes close. As a side bar, while JP6 is still sold, it even has an MFX plug-in, and I still get marketing emails to buy, but nothing new has come out since about early 2009! If some other PC or Mac product did what BIAB does - then folks would be buying that product and I'd be reading those forum complaints about why that other song making program doesn’t do things the way BIAB does or why that program doesn't do statistical analysis of the db values of the sampled positive peaks so that Ozone Pro could more easily be programmed to squeeze that last 0.1db of normalized compression into the resultant MP3 "tune." BTW to OP you HAVE ALL THE CURRENT (PG) STYLES! See earlier post, But you don't have all the Note's Norton, and other 3rd party styles, so you are WAY behind Larry
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There are far superior tools for recording, audio editing, notation etc. I feel using BiaB's tools for these functions would equivocate to building a house with on a hand saw, hammer and nails while your neighbor builds a house with power tools.
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Some very good points above, though I would say that recording your musical performance along with BIAB IS a core function. I don't think many buy it just lo listen, and recording your practice can be an enlightening experience, if sometimes suprisng.
Lots of people would enjoy the musical challenge, but not the technically challenge, which borders on the absurd, if you don't know any better.
There are some things I LOVE about BIAB as we all do here, Real Tracks are King.
I do like the idea of lanes, just not the implementation. Just to dream a bit, I would love to see a 'layer view' . I would like to see the main GUI scroll according to tempo rather than leap around, and be capable of presenting a track horizontally, like a proper sequencer. I would want to be able to control bar size controls intuitively, graphically by dragging.
From there, it would be possible to have track types, for example:
1] Chord Info Track (shows per bar info such as chord name, Roman numerals, bar number - similar to main GUI) This track would have a timeline feature beats or minutes.
2} Real Track/user Audio recording track with subtypes)
3] MIDI/XML?User MIDI recording track (subtypes such as supertracks) views for notation, piano roll etc.)
4] Notation Track (selectable clef types, single double
Where the GUI scrolls left to right, there less of a problem presenting the tracks - like a sequencer does
Each of the (used tracks could have a lane, and everything could be hidden or revealed as appropriate.
A simple view would be just the chords with selectable info.
A more complex view might be a view where a MIDI and or a Real Track notation track was also displayed, or some notation for the bass part. The user could customise the complexity.
Ill call this "Layer view".
I think most of the tech is there for such a view, its a matter of rethinking the GUI and displaying things in useful intuitive way.
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though I would say that recording your musical performance along with BIAB IS a core function. I don't think many buy it just lo listen, and recording your practice can be an enlightening experience, if sometimes suprisng.
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To be honest Zero I don't think most people want to be able to record into biab.
Most people from reading the forums down through the years use biab as a quick sketchpad to audition styles and some realtracks, lay out the foundation of their song such as chords and them open it in realband to generate more realtracks, and either finish the project in realband or another DAW.
Maybe you are expecting more from biab than what its intended to do.
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Well stated Musiclover and I agree 100%.
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Yes, always use the best tool for the job. BiaB does some things best, other tools (including RealBand) do other things best.
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You friends are free to disagree, and the user base must be very diverse, even so I would say that if BIAB are going to provide this function it should be done in a proper user friendly way, you cannot hear your synth,for levelling purposes, until the song starts - this should be fixed too, we are always 'working around' stuff like this. It been there for a long time, so it will do,
Keep record function and improve it is what I say. It should even be possible for BIAB to have only one button, which provides both MIDI and Audio record.
Personally I dont see the need for two programs, because RB can never compare to a real sequencer. The recording and display assets it has, could be integrated, in a rethink, redesign, which I think will come with 64 bit, whenever that is. BIAB>RB>DAW is a labrinth, and if you need to step back and forth through apps it can be tedious IMO.
It's a bit sad to think that the best thing to do with BIAB is export to DAW as soon as you can.
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Hi zero,
I don't find it a labyrinth at all.
I use the program for songwriting and it is brilliant. There's nothing else around that even comes close to the versatility that BIAB offers me in relation to composing a song and developing an arrangement.
When I start to look at producing the arrangement, I then move to programs that offer production flexibility in the same way that BIAB offers songwriting/arranging flexibility.
Just my tuppence worth.
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Hi zero,
I don't find it a labyrinth at all.
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Just my tuppence worth.
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Hi zero,
I don't find it a labyrinth at all.
I use the program for songwriting and it is brilliant. There's nothing else around that even comes close to the versatility that BIAB offers me in relation to composing a song and developing an arrangement.
When I start to look at producing the arrangement, I then move to programs that offer production flexibility in the same way that BIAB offers songwriting/arranging flexibility.
Just my tuppence worth.
Regards,
Noel First off I respect this point of view BIAB has a wide user base for differing needs. IMO if you use BIAB to knock together a few chords, its very easy, and much functionality is at hand for even a novice. There is a long list of stuff that could be a lot better, and many things have been on the wish list for years. Personally I don't think that RB will ever be a DAW, like the big boys, so I don't see a need for a separate program. If you are going to export to a DAW you would not export to RB and then to Sonar/Cubase/Logic etc.. Every time you leave a program, then you loose its functionality. It can become difficult when actively working on a program to find you need to jump around through tunnels. This is why I feel that the best of BIAB should be integrated with the best of RB and their be one package instead of two. Because I also believe that most features need to be revised and improved, I think the GUI should be totally rewritten and a new product launched. Every year PG take a lot of Money from us, and sure the real tracks are great, but product development is meagre and shaky, probably because of vast acres of legacy code - I guess. Recently we have lost the ability to customise the GUI menus, been told we were getting bonus tracks which we already had, and the new layers don't save/hide properly, I also understand the XML is proving problematic (from threads). There is a lot to love, but I don't think this update is good. I still want record to be easy and in house - not in windows.
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First off I respect this point of view BIAB has a wide user base for differing needs. IMO if you use BIAB to knock together a few chords, its very easy, and much functionality is at hand for even a novice. There is a long list of stuff that could be a lot better, and many things have been on the wish list for years. Personally I don't think that RB will ever be a DAW, like the big boys, so I don't see a need for a separate program. If you are going to export to a DAW you would not export to RB and then to Sonar/Cubase/Logic etc..
Every time you leave a program, then you loose its functionality. It can become difficult when actively working on a program to find you need to jump around through tunnels. This is why I feel that the best of BIAB should be integrated with the best of RB and their be one package instead of two. Because I also believe that most features need to be revised and improved, I think the GUI should be totally rewritten and a new product launched. Every year PG take a lot of Money from us, and sure the real tracks are great, but product development is meagre and shaky, probably because of vast acres of legacy code - I guess. Recently we have lost the ability to customise the GUI menus, been told we were getting bonus tracks which we already had, and the new layers don't save/hide properly, I also understand the XML is proving problematic (from threads). There is a lot to love, but I don't think this update is good. I still want record to be easy and in house - not in windows. ZeroZero, I hope that my below post doesn't come across as antagonistic or argumentative because that is not what I intend at all. I write simply because I find the following comment of yours disappointing and misleading and I cannot let it pass. Every year PG take a lot of Money from us You've been around on the forums longer than I have and you know that PG Music never "take" money from anyone. If a customer wants to pay for a product that PG Music sells then a transaction takes place. If that customer then feels that they haven't got their money's worth, PG Music offer a 30 day window wherein the customer can ask for a refund... no questions asked. I've seen this happen a few times over the years. How can this possibly be interpreted as "taking money from us"? You mention that you don't think this update is good. I disagree because, for me, the update is excellent. Since your needs are different from mine, though, maybe it's not value-for-money for you. I don't know. If that's the case, and you are unhappy with BIAB/RB 2016, why complain because you chose to buy it? Simply return the program. I know that PG Music will support your decision wholeheartedly if you are within that 30 day window. Since I first bought BIAB in 2006, I have found PG Music outstanding to deal with and I have a great deal of respect for Peter and his team. They have done a great job in creating something that, in so many ways, is truly unique. Even today after so many years, every time I click on generate and a top-notch musical backing is created, I'm amazed. Regards, Noel P.S. Like you I am a user and am not a PG Music representative.
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Ask sales and support questions about Band-in-a-Box using natural language.
ChatPG's knowledge base includes the full Band-in-a-Box User Manual and sales information from the website.
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Band-in-a-Box 2025 Italian Version is Here!
Cari amici
È stata aggerate la versione in Italiano del programma più amato dagli appassionati di musica, il nostro Band-in-a-Box.
Questo è il link alla nuova versione 2025.
Di seguito i link per scaricare il pacchetti di lingua italiana aggiornati per Band-in-a-Box e RealBand, anche per chi avesse già comprato la nuova versione in inglese.
Band-in-a-Box 2025 - Italiano
RealBand 2025 - Italiano
Band-in-a-Box 2025 French Version is Here!
Bonjour à tous,
Band-in-a-Box® 2025 pour Windows est disponible en Français.
Le téléchargement se fait à partir du site PG Music
Pour ceux qui auraient déjà acheté la version 2025 de Band-in-a-Box (et qui donc ont une version anglaise), il est possible de "franciser" cette version avec les patchs suivants:
BIAB 2025 - francisation
RealBand 2025 - francisation
Voilà, enjoy!
Band-in-a-Box 2025 German Version is Here!
Update Your Band-in-a-Box® 2025 to Build 1128 for Windows Today!
Already using Band-in-a-Box 2025 for Windows®? Download Build 1128 now from our Support Page to enjoy the latest enhancements and improvements from our team.
Stay up to date—get the latest update now!
Update to RealBand® 2025 Build 5 Windows Today!
Already using RealBand® 2025 for Windows®? Download Build 5 now from our Support Page to ensure you have the latest enhancements and improvements from our team.
Get the latest update today!
PowerTracks Pro Audio 2025 for Windows is Here!
PowerTracks Pro Audio 2025 is here! This new version introduces many features, including VST3 support, the ability to load or import a .FLAC file, a reset option for track height in the Tracks window, a taller Timeline on the Notation window toolbar, new freeze buttons in the Tracks window, three toolbar modes (two rows, single row, and none), the improved Select Patch dialog with text-based search and numeric patch display, a new button in the DirectX/VST window to copy an effects group, and more!
First-time packages start at only $49. Already a PowerTracks Pro Audio user? Upgrade for as little as $29!
www.pgmusic.com/powertracks.htm
Video: Summary of the New Band-in-a-Box® App for iOS®
Join Tobin as he takes you on a tour of the new Band-in-a-Box® app for iOS®! Designed for musicians, singer-songwriters, and educators, this powerful tool lets you create, play, and transfer songs effortlessly on your iPhone® or iPad®—anytime, anywhere.
Band-in-a-Box® for iOS® :Summary video.
Check out the forum post for more information.
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