|
Log in to post
|
Print Thread |
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
|
Joined: Dec 2001
Posts: 265
Apprentice
|
OP
Apprentice
Joined: Dec 2001
Posts: 265 |
It's the weirdest thing that just started happening about 2 weeks ago...about the same time that I switched from using the headphone output on my laptop to a USB with an audio interface (Edirol), although I don't see how that could have anything to do with it. I'm still using the latest build of BIAB 2015, waiting on build 432 of BIAB 2016 before I install the updated version of the program. But there were no changes or updates made to the 2015 version 2 weeks ago that I know of; I certainly didn't download or install anything.
Here's the problem: on some slow songs, I have been using RealTrack #1841 (synthpad strings, high) only on the final held chord of the song at low volume. I use MIDI strings for the rest of the song but in the 2015 upgrade, a legato feature that was added that prevents me from effectively reducing the MIDI strings volume for that final chord because any notes that were already being played are not affected. So on that final chord I mute the MIDI strings and bring "back to normal" the RT #1841 on what would normally be the guitar track which had been muted until that final chord. This workaround has worked just fine week after week, month after month until about 2 weeks ago.
The problem is that now the RT #1841 plays in a different key as if it had been transposed or frozen in a different key, but nothing like that has been done. And if I change to a different RT, regenerate and play the song, then switch back to RT #1841, it sounds correct. BUT - when I power down and then back up again later, the RT is once again playing the wrong chord, usually a half step higher or a whole step lower...weird.
I tried "Restore to Factory Settings" and it did not have any effect on this problem.
Any ideas?
Jim
Psalm 33:3 Sing unto him a new song; play skillfully with a loud noise.
BIAB 2018 build 519; Dell Inspiron N4110, Windows 10 64 bit, Intel Core i3-2350m running at 2.29 GHz, Memory: 6 GB DDR3, SDRAM 1MHz
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
|
Joined: Jul 2000
Posts: 27,505
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: Jul 2000
Posts: 27,505 |
That is weird, agreed. I think you should consult PG Music Support for this one.
BIAB 2025 Win Audiophile. Software: Studio One 7 Pro, Swam horns, Acoustica-7, Notion 6, Song Master Pro, Win 11 Home. Hardware: Intel i9, 32 Gb; Presonus 192 & Faderport 8, Royer 121, Slate VSX, Adam Sub8 & Neumann 120 monitors.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
|
Joined: Dec 2001
Posts: 265
Apprentice
|
|
OP
Apprentice
Joined: Dec 2001
Posts: 265 |
Will do, and I'll let you know what they say.
Jim
Psalm 33:3 Sing unto him a new song; play skillfully with a loud noise.
BIAB 2018 build 519; Dell Inspiron N4110, Windows 10 64 bit, Intel Core i3-2350m running at 2.29 GHz, Memory: 6 GB DDR3, SDRAM 1MHz
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
|
Joined: Jul 2000
Posts: 109
Apprentice
|
|
Apprentice
Joined: Jul 2000
Posts: 109 |
And if I change to a different RT, regenerate and play the song, then switch back to RT #1841, it sounds correct. BUT - when I power down and then back up again later, the RT is once again playing the wrong chord, usually a half step higher or a whole step lower...weird.
Any ideas? Sounds to me like the RT is regenerating when you power off and on. Try the work-around you used to get it sounding right and then freeze the track.
Boyd
Win10 - 16GB-RAM - BiaB 2019 - Mixbus 4 - Slate Bundle - Komplete 10 - Ozone 8 - Neutron 2 - Waves Gold
Ample Sound Guitars & Basses - Pianoteq 6 - SSD5 - SD3 - JamStix 4 - Omnisphere - UVI Falcon - EastWest Play
Sonarworks Reference 4 -
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
|
Joined: Jun 2006
Posts: 2,250
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: Jun 2006
Posts: 2,250 |
That is weird, agreed. I think you should consult PG Music Support for this one. This happens constantly and randomly to me too, usually on that beautiful final "held" chord you just came up with  FWIW it seems to be on Synth RTs and occasionally piano. I posted thread about it, sent sgu files and mp3 sound samples to PG but it never got resolved. Just regen and regen the track until it gets it right the one time and Freeze it!!! Its a PITA but its a workaround. Ian BTW -COULD it be something to do with the computer power needed to generate all tracks together. Typically i end up using all 7 tracks and ive noticed that if i create an new sgu of my tune with only (say) bass, drums and that pesky synth on it, it doesnt exhibit the strange behaviour.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
|
Joined: Jul 2000
Posts: 27,505
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: Jul 2000
Posts: 27,505 |
OK, let's explore that.
Jim and Sixchannel, what is your single-core Geekbench score?
What is your setting for Preferences, RealTracks, Fast Generation?
BIAB 2025 Win Audiophile. Software: Studio One 7 Pro, Swam horns, Acoustica-7, Notion 6, Song Master Pro, Win 11 Home. Hardware: Intel i9, 32 Gb; Presonus 192 & Faderport 8, Royer 121, Slate VSX, Adam Sub8 & Neumann 120 monitors.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
|
Joined: Apr 2009
Posts: 10,799
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: Apr 2009
Posts: 10,799 |
Are you keeping your work on BB and or Real Band.... or are you exporting it to a DAW to finish the mixing?
Provide as much detail on what's happening and the set up of the gear as you can.
If you're exporting and the DAW sees it as a certain type of clip.... I think it's called a groove clip or an acidized clip, the DAW can change the key on that automatically.
I forget what I was doing last week but that happened to me. In one key in the PG stuff and into the DAW, it changed keys on me. I found the box that was checked... unchecked it and waa laa... back to the right key.
You can find my music at: www.herbhartley.comAdd nothing that adds nothing to the music. You can make excuses or you can make progress but not both. The magic you are looking for is in the work you are avoiding.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
|
Joined: Jun 2006
Posts: 2,250
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: Jun 2006
Posts: 2,250 |
OK, let's explore that.
Jim and Sixchannel, what is your single-core Geekbench score?
What is your setting for Preferences, RealTracks, Fast Generation?
Hi Matt My Geekbench score is 4427. Intel Core 2 Quad Q8300 @2.5Ghz. 4.00DDR RAM (think thats the Max I can have anyway with XP Pro) SDRAM 334Mz In Prefs - RealTracks Settings, I have "speed up of generation" checked. I think thats the default - cant remember ever touching it. Ian
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
|
Joined: Jun 2006
Posts: 2,250
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: Jun 2006
Posts: 2,250 |
Are you keeping your work on BB and or Real Band.... or are you exporting it to a DAW to finish the mixing?
Hi Herb - It stays in BB until I have the Arrangement as I want it, then freeze tracks and export as wav to DAW. I might have to run the Synth track (if it is that at the time) several times to get one that isnt playing bizarre notes. When it gets it right - FREEZE!!! lol! Ian
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
|
Joined: Jul 2000
Posts: 27,505
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: Jul 2000
Posts: 27,505 |
Ian, that's plenty fast enough, by twice or so.
The default value of the Fast Generation checkbox was recently called into question in testing, but it shouldn't affect you or have anything to do with your problem in this thread.
BIAB 2025 Win Audiophile. Software: Studio One 7 Pro, Swam horns, Acoustica-7, Notion 6, Song Master Pro, Win 11 Home. Hardware: Intel i9, 32 Gb; Presonus 192 & Faderport 8, Royer 121, Slate VSX, Adam Sub8 & Neumann 120 monitors.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
|
Joined: Dec 2001
Posts: 265
Apprentice
|
|
OP
Apprentice
Joined: Dec 2001
Posts: 265 |
Herb, I am keeping my songs in BIAB, not using any DAW.
Matt, my single-core geekbench score (with Norton 360 running) is 1778.
In case it makes any difference, I could only run the Geekbench test at 32 bit but my computer is 64 bit. Not sure if that matters. The multi-core score is 3719.
My computer:
Dell Inspiron N4110
Windows 7 Home Premium 64 bit
Intel Core i3-2350m running at 2.29 GHz
Memory: 6 GB DDR3, SDRAM 1MHz
Processor = GenuineIntel Family 6 model 42 stepping 7
Processor codename = Sandy Bridge
Jim
Psalm 33:3 Sing unto him a new song; play skillfully with a loud noise.
BIAB 2018 build 519; Dell Inspiron N4110, Windows 10 64 bit, Intel Core i3-2350m running at 2.29 GHz, Memory: 6 GB DDR3, SDRAM 1MHz
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
|
Joined: Jul 2000
Posts: 27,505
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: Jul 2000
Posts: 27,505 |
Jim, I didn't see much difference in performance from the 32-bit version of Geekbench to the 64-bit one.
I should have keep all the notes from Peter Gannon on this, but my memory tells me that your score may be too low to have Fast Generation of RealTracks checked. The old threshold used to be around 1,500 but with the more rigorous requirements of either BIAB 2015 or 2016 (can't remember which) it changed upward to around 2,000. I'll see if I can find more and if I do, I'll post it here.
However - from Ian's post, it would seem that the Fast Generation checkbox is not related to this particular issue. And I don't think you said whether yours is checked, or not.
BIAB 2025 Win Audiophile. Software: Studio One 7 Pro, Swam horns, Acoustica-7, Notion 6, Song Master Pro, Win 11 Home. Hardware: Intel i9, 32 Gb; Presonus 192 & Faderport 8, Royer 121, Slate VSX, Adam Sub8 & Neumann 120 monitors.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
|
Joined: Dec 2001
Posts: 265
Apprentice
|
|
OP
Apprentice
Joined: Dec 2001
Posts: 265 |
Oops, forgot to mention that. Yes, it is checked. But it has been checked ever since I installed BIAB 2015, and I have never had a problem with this before, so it doesn't seem likely to me that fast generation is the culprit.
If the minimum with BIAB 2016 is higher than my score, then I'll uncheck it when I install this year's update. And I'll be interested in seeing the threshold requirements you find.
I have not heard back from PG Music support about this; I'm sure they will eventually respond.
Jim
Psalm 33:3 Sing unto him a new song; play skillfully with a loud noise.
BIAB 2018 build 519; Dell Inspiron N4110, Windows 10 64 bit, Intel Core i3-2350m running at 2.29 GHz, Memory: 6 GB DDR3, SDRAM 1MHz
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
|
Joined: Dec 2001
Posts: 265
Apprentice
|
|
OP
Apprentice
Joined: Dec 2001
Posts: 265 |
I guess I could freeze the track in question when it plays correctly, but it's an inconvenience if and when I do the song in a different key...as I sometimes do (frozen tracks don't change keys). I guess I could save it separately for each key that I might do it in, but I really shouldn't have to do that...
Hopefully someone will come up with the reason this is happening and a solution.
Jim
Psalm 33:3 Sing unto him a new song; play skillfully with a loud noise.
BIAB 2018 build 519; Dell Inspiron N4110, Windows 10 64 bit, Intel Core i3-2350m running at 2.29 GHz, Memory: 6 GB DDR3, SDRAM 1MHz
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
|
Joined: Jul 2000
Posts: 27,505
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: Jul 2000
Posts: 27,505 |
I remembered it correctly. Here is a relevant post from Peter Gannon from January 14, 2016, regarding a problem reported by Trygve Larson: A slow PC could cause this. If this is the case, disabling fast generation of RealTracks would diagnose (and fix it). You can do that from Prefs-RealTracks - Speed up Generation of RealTracks - set that to NO.
If that fixes it, it will take longer to generate the song, but the whole thing will play. And you could test the speed of your PC by doing a geekbench ( http://www.primatelabs.com/geekbench/ ) , and telling us the single core speed. Anything about 2,000 should be fine. If this is the case, the songs that would be most troublesome would have lots of RealTracks, lots of chord changes, and be tempo stretched higher - all on a slow PC (slow CPU and/or slow Hard Drive)
BIAB 2025 Win Audiophile. Software: Studio One 7 Pro, Swam horns, Acoustica-7, Notion 6, Song Master Pro, Win 11 Home. Hardware: Intel i9, 32 Gb; Presonus 192 & Faderport 8, Royer 121, Slate VSX, Adam Sub8 & Neumann 120 monitors.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
|
Joined: Dec 2001
Posts: 265
Apprentice
|
|
OP
Apprentice
Joined: Dec 2001
Posts: 265 |
Okay, I'll try unchecking fast generation to see if that helps. But if that's the problem, I don't understand why this never happened until a couple of weeks ago because I've been using this workaround for the final chord for several months, almost a year. And why would it always happen ONLY on the final chord and why would it always happen ONLY on the same track using the same patch? (guitar track, RT #1841 synthpad strings high)
Jim
Psalm 33:3 Sing unto him a new song; play skillfully with a loud noise.
BIAB 2018 build 519; Dell Inspiron N4110, Windows 10 64 bit, Intel Core i3-2350m running at 2.29 GHz, Memory: 6 GB DDR3, SDRAM 1MHz
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
|
Joined: Jun 2006
Posts: 2,250
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: Jun 2006
Posts: 2,250 |
Actually Jim - its NOT on always just on the final chord - assuming you Hold it eg C...
If you have a hold ... elsewhere in the music it can do it there too. AFAIC its when you ask it to hold a chord that it does its own thing.
Ian
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
|
Joined: Jul 2000
Posts: 27,505
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: Jul 2000
Posts: 27,505 |
There was a substantial update of RealTracks shots and holds a year ago. Just checking, in addition to program updates, have you kept up with RealTrack patches for your version 2015?
BIAB 2025 Win Audiophile. Software: Studio One 7 Pro, Swam horns, Acoustica-7, Notion 6, Song Master Pro, Win 11 Home. Hardware: Intel i9, 32 Gb; Presonus 192 & Faderport 8, Royer 121, Slate VSX, Adam Sub8 & Neumann 120 monitors.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
|
Joined: Dec 2001
Posts: 265
Apprentice
|
|
OP
Apprentice
Joined: Dec 2001
Posts: 265 |
As far as I know I have installed every update that ever came out. But just to be sure, and I think I know how to do this, but I want to hear it from you experts, just to verify the procedure, how do I confirm that I do already have that substantial update of RealTracks shots and holds from a year ago? And thanks in advance for your help.
Jim
Psalm 33:3 Sing unto him a new song; play skillfully with a loud noise.
BIAB 2018 build 519; Dell Inspiron N4110, Windows 10 64 bit, Intel Core i3-2350m running at 2.29 GHz, Memory: 6 GB DDR3, SDRAM 1MHz
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
|
Joined: Jul 2000
Posts: 27,505
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: Jul 2000
Posts: 27,505 |
That's a fair question, and it's not as simple as reading Help, About to see the build #. I suppose there would be an easy test to view something like, does RealTrack X have Holds, but as I no longer have an older version to compare, I don't have an answer. Perhaps Andrew at PG Music could supply an appropriate test.
In general though, if you go into the /BB/RealTracks folder, you should expect to see dates of some folders are around the date of the patch, or within a month or two.
BIAB 2025 Win Audiophile. Software: Studio One 7 Pro, Swam horns, Acoustica-7, Notion 6, Song Master Pro, Win 11 Home. Hardware: Intel i9, 32 Gb; Presonus 192 & Faderport 8, Royer 121, Slate VSX, Adam Sub8 & Neumann 120 monitors.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Ask sales and support questions about Band-in-a-Box using natural language.
ChatPG's knowledge base includes the full Band-in-a-Box User Manual and sales information from the website.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box® 2025 for Mac® users: Build 904 now available!
If you're already using Band-in-a-Box® 2025 for Mac®, make sure to grab the latest update! Build 904 is now available for download and includes the newest additions and enhancements from our team.
Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Windows® users: Build 1237 is now available!
Already a Band-in-a-Box 2026 for Windows user? Stay up to date and download the build 1237 to get all the latest additions and enhancements.
PowerTracks Pro 2026 for Windows is Here!
PowerTracks 2026 is here—bringing powerful new enhancements designed to make your production workflow faster, smoother, and more intuitive than ever.
The enhanced Mixer now shows Track Type and Instrument icons for instant track recognition, while a new grid option simplifies editing views. Non-floating windows adopt a modern title bar style, replacing the legacy blue bar.
The Master Volume is now applied at the end of the audio chain for consistent levels and full-signal master effects.
Tablature now includes a “Save bends when saving XML” option for improved compatibility with PG Music tools. Plus, you can instantly match all track heights with a simple Ctrl-release after resizing, and Add2 chords from MGU/SGU files are now fully supported... and more!
Get started today—first-time packages start at just $49.
Already using PowerTracks Pro Audio? Upgrade for as little as $29 and enjoy the latest improvements!
Order now!
Band-in-a-Box 2026 for Windows Special Offers End Tomorrow (January 15th, 2026) at 11:59 PM PST!
Time really is running out! Save up to 50% on Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Windows® upgrades and receive a FREE Bonus PAK—only when you order by 11:59 PM PST on Thursday, January 15, 2026!
We've added many major new features and new content in a redesigned Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Windows®!
Version 2026 introduces a modernized GUI redesign across the program, with updated toolbars, refreshed windows, smoother workflows, and a new Dark Mode option. There’s also a new side toolbar for quicker access to commonly used windows, and the new Multi-View feature lets you arrange multiple windows as layered panels without overlap, making it easier to customize your workspace.
Another exciting new addition is the new AI-Notes feature, which can transcribe polyphonic audio into MIDI. You can view the results in notation or play them back as MIDI, and choose whether to process an entire track or focus on specific parts like drums, bass, guitars/piano, or vocals. There's over 100 new features in Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Windows®.
There's an amazing collection of new content too, including 202 RealTracks, new RealStyles, MIDI SuperTracks, Instrumental Studies, “Songs with Vocals” Artist Performance Sets, Playable RealTracks Set 5, two RealDrums Stems sets, XPro Styles PAK 10, Xtra Styles PAK 21, and much more!
Upgrade your Band-in-a-Box for Windows to save up to 50% on most Band-in-a-Box® 2026 upgrade packages!
Plus, when you order your Band-in-a-Box® 2026 upgrade during our special, you'll receive a Free Bonus PAK of exciting new add-ons.
If you need any help deciding which package is the best option for you, just let us know. We are here to help!
Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Windows® Special Offers Extended Until January 15, 2026!
Good news! You still have time to upgrade to the latest version of Band-in-a-Box® for Windows® and save. Our Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Windows® special now runs through January 15, 2025!
We've packed Band-in-a-Box® 2026 with major new features, enhancements, and an incredible lineup of new content! The program now sports a sleek, modern GUI redesign across the entire interface, including updated toolbars, refreshed windows, smoother workflows, a new dark mode option, and more. The brand-new side toolbar provides quicker access to key windows, while the new Multi-View feature lets you arrange multiple windows as layered panels without overlap, creating a flexible, clutter-free workspace. We have an amazing new “AI-Notes” feature. This transcribes polyphonic audio into MIDI so you can view it in notation or play it back as MIDI. You can process an entire track (all pitched instruments and drums) or focus on individual parts like drums, bass, guitars/piano, or vocals. There's an amazing collection of new content too, including 202 RealTracks, new RealStyles, MIDI SuperTracks, Instrumental Studies, “Songs with Vocals” Artist Performance Sets, Playable RealTracks Set 5, two RealDrums Stems sets, XPro Styles PAK 10, Xtra Styles PAK 21, and much more!
There are over 100 new features in Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Windows®.
When you order purchase Band-in-a-Box® 2026 before 11:59 PM PST on January 15th, you'll also receive a Free Bonus PAK packed with exciting new add-ons.
Upgrade to Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Windows® today! Check out the Band-in-a-Box® packages page for all the purchase options available.
Happy New Year!
Thank you for being part of the Band-in-a-Box® community.
Wishing you and yours a very happy 2026—Happy New Year from all of us at PG Music!
Season's Greetings!
Wishing everyone a happy, healthy holiday season—thanks for being part of our community!
The office will be closed for Christmas Day, but we will be back on Boxing Day (Dec 26th) at 6:00am PST.
Team PG
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Forums57
Topics86,048
Posts799,302
Members40,015
| |
Most Online44,367
Mar 4th, 2026
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Dansk
Deutsch - Windows
Español
Français - Windows
Italiano - Windows
Nederlands
Polski
Português
Svenskt
русский
Japanese
Simplified Chinese
Traditional Chinese
Korean